Versus Battle Can they pull it off? Ri Shin & Mou Ten VERSUS Go Hou Mei & Gai Mou

[Rumble]

It's a straightforward proposition.

One side has 160,000

1. Ri Shin
2. Mou Ten
3. Kyou Kai
4. Ka Ryo Ten
5. Ai Sen
6. Riku Sen

the other side has 170,000

1. Go Hou Mei
2. Gai Mou
3. Ran Bi Haku
4. Jun Sou
5. Jun Ei
6. Ryuu Han

Which side wins a straightforward battlefield scenario?

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[SakazOuki]

Wei should have something close to 120k to even out the armies, this is slaughter

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Wei takes a hard battle. Shin and Mouten have bursts of 6GG level talent but they ain’t that good all the time. If they have a talent burst then they can win but Wei is taking this more times than not.

 

[SakazOuki]

Wei takes a hard battle. Shin and Mouten have bursts of 6GG level talent but they ain’t that good all the time. If they have a talent burst then they can win but Wei is taking this more times than not.

Gohomei & Gaimou 100k
Raku & Haku 100k
Location: Zhao plains
Who wins

 

[Rumble]

Wei should have something close to 120k to even out the armies, this is slaughter

How would it be a slaughter? GHM and Gai Mou have more experience at large scale warfare, granted, but Shin and Mou Ten both excel at battlefield warfare. Mou Ten might not be able to out-think GHM, but I think he's good enough to guide the others through it.

Wei takes a hard battle. Shin and Mouten have bursts of 6GG level talent but they ain’t that good all the time. If they have a talent burst then they can win but Wei is taking this more times than not.

In fairness, they're not being asked to win a campaign.

GHM are Gai Mou are formidable, but I think the HSU and Gaku Ka combined are a tough out on the battlefield for any GG.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

THE GOATED WEI ARE TAKING THISSSSS (high-extreme diff)!! 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

 

[Daniel]

Ri Shin and Gai Mou are 100% going to clash in this fight again.

Who wins it this time around?

 

[Pirao]

Yes, I think they can. GHM may be good but he's alone here, Mouten and Shin are better commanders than everyone else in Wei side and Qin also has more firepower in 1vs1 duels.

Qin takes it in a good fight.

 

[Rumble]

THE GOATED WEI ARE TAKING THISSSSS (high-extreme diff)!! 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

I think it's close either way.

GHM is hard to compensate for, the Qin side has Shin, Kyou Kai, Kyou Rei and Ai Sen making it easier to dominate on multiple fronts.

Ri Shin and Gai Mou are 100% going to clash in this fight again.

Who wins it this time around?

It's been over 9 years since Shin fought Gai Mou.

I think he wins the rematch.

 

[Elmahdi]

The Qin's Court(right now) believe that Ou Hon alone will handle GHM(They know(mainly Akakin) about GaiMou too,and Ou Hon is confident that he is up to the task ).So I think that Shin+Kyou Kai +Mou Ten will be an overkill.

Qin's had too much firepower,Even +300 ch ago Shin was able to stand on par with GaiMou,KyouKai(dance) is surely taking down RanBiHaku(it will be very hard )
I rank GHM>Mou Ten as a strategist but honestly once GHM lose his pieces(GaiMou and RanBiHaku) he won't be able to do much.
All of this isn't even taking into account things like Shin's instincts/Kyou Kai slaughtering entire armies on her own/Mou Ten pull up some feat like he did against Ki Sui(somehow he was able to stall KiSui and BaTei...

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Gohomei & Gaimou 100k
Raku & Haku 100k
Location: Zhao plains
Who wins

Hobopa’s masters dominate (we need more info on Rakuakan and Hakuokoku)

GHM are Gai Mou are formidable, but I think the HSU and Gaku Ka combined are a tough out on the battlefield for any GG.

Gaimou are Houmei are better than Shin and Mouten in 7/10 scenarios and more experienced than them. There is not really a scenario where Jyoukaryuu walks away from Gaimou alive even with help. If Gaimou wants his head he is taking it. Like I said with talent bursts Shin and Mouten can give any GG a run for it or potentially even win but 7/10 times Wei is taking it with these numbers.

 

[SakazOuki]

How would it be a slaughter? GHM and Gai Mou have more experience at large scale warfare, granted, but Shin and Mou Ten both excel at battlefield warfare. Mou Ten might not be able to out-think GHM, but I think he's good enough to guide the others through it.

The talent is there, it's not consistent but they can show outburst of 6gg talent
However, they're dealing with an extraordinary talent in this scenario, Gohomei is still a high end general that will pose one of the biggest challenges to Qin, how can those two possibly beat him when they've never led an army of this size

I can imagine the young duo winning this matchup if we were to downsize the armies, say 30k maybe 50k.

 

[Daniel]

It's been over 9 years since Shin fought Gai Mou.

I think he wins the rematch.

It's a rematch that we've been waiting to see for some time, if the opportunity ever comes.

 

[Rumble]

Yes, I think they can. GHM may be good but he's alone here, Mouten and Shin are better commanders than everyone else in Wei side and Qin also has more firepower in 1vs1 duels.

Qin takes it in a good fight.

In fairness to Wei, they do also have Ran Bi Haku.

Ryuu Han and his "golden cavalry" also appear quite formidable.

The Qin's Court(right now) believe that Ou Hon alone will handle GHM(They know(mainly Akakin) about GaiMou too,and Ou Hon is confident that he is up to the task ).So I think that Shin+Kyou Kai +Mou Ten will be an overkill.

I'll say it's quite different defending a siege than fighting a battle in the open.

Qin's had too much firepower,Even +300 ch ago Shin was able to stand on par with GaiMou,KyouKai(dance) is surely taking down RanBiHaku(it will be very hard )
I rank GHM>Mou Ten as a strategist but honestly once GHM lose his pieces(GaiMou and RanBiHaku) he won't be able to do much.
All of this isn't even taking into account things like Shin's instincts/Kyou Kai slaughtering entire armies on her own/Mou Ten pull up some feat like he did against Ki Sui(somehow he was able to stall KiSui and BaTei...

I nevertheless agree with this.

Qin has considerably more firepower to spread out. Gai Mou and Ran Bi Haku can only cover so much ground.

Shin Instincts would probably be central to Mou Ten's approach, so I think they'd get the better off GHM off that.

Gaimou are Houmei are better than Shin and Mouten in 7/10 scenarios and more experienced than them. There is not really a scenario where Jyoukaryuu walks away from Gaimou alive even with help. If Gaimou wants his head he is taking it. Like I said with talent bursts Shin and Mouten can give any GG a run for it or potentially even win but 7/10 times Wei is taking it with these numbers.

I think Shin and Mou Ten have too much help on their side to not be favoured to win a straightforward battlefield scenario.

Kyou Kai, Kyou Rei, Ai Sen and Riku Sen would be difficult to deal with.

Shin's Instincts also can't be ignored. With numbers his close, Shin could actually do real damage.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Idk, Shin recently lost to Rok'uomi in practice match. It's one thing to fight 1 vs 1, overall he's not ready to take on GG army and come victorious.

Mouten, sure very talented and bright mind, lack experience at leading such a big numbers and when the opponent is GHM, it'll be Achilles' heel.​

 

[BanditKanki]

GHM is the best there but a lot does depend on which version of kyoukai hara wants to give us. Is she a decent sub or the next Kyou?

If Shin and Ten can stall out Gaimou,
Kyoukai makes sure to eliminate ranbihaku
Then you’ve got mouten and Kyoukai at GHM. I don’t think this is enough. Gaimou could be locked up somehow perhaps which would allow Shin to march on to join against GHM but on this battlefield I think ghm will block that happening, plus I think Gaimou and junsou will be more alert to it happening again.

I side with Wei pulling something off but it’s one that can go different ways.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Idk, Shin recently lost to Rok'uomi in practice match. It's one thing to fight 1 vs 1, overall he's not ready to take on GG army and come victorious.

Mouten, sure very talented and bright mind, lack experience at leading such a big numbers and when the opponent is GHM, it'll be Achilles' heel.​

Yep, you said it right, Practice Match isn't a real war.

 

[RayanOO]

I think Shin and Mouten aren’t there yet

either tactics wise or strength wise

 

[Rumble]

I think Shin and Mouten aren’t there yet

either tactics wise or strength wise

I think strength is only a concern if their armies are still made up of a majority of new conscripts. You can consider that a nonfactor for the purpose of this hypthetical.

As for tactics: Mou Ten could see "the board" 5 years ago and not only effectively negated Ma Kou's death, but rendered Ki Sui to a nonfactor up until the end of the battle.

Spoiler: ch 523

Shin was capable of keeping pace with Gyou'un, who was not only much more experienced, but also a discipile of RSJ, capable of high level strategy and conventional tactics.

Spoiler: ch 546

They have only continued to improve in the half decade since this campaign. We know Ri Boku certainly regards Shin as having become a real threat to him in that time, and we know Mou Ten, if by no other indication, is close to Shin (and Ou Hon) by design.

I'm not saying you're wrong to pick against them, but I am saying you're wrong in suggesting it's too early for these two to challenge GHM and Gai Mou in a straightforward battle. Shin and Mou Ten are not only more talented, they have a lot firepower in terms of assets.