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I have seen it and I agree on some of the stuff (not everything). The possibility of Carrot not being born on Zou is something that has always been possible since she had no parents, was trained by Pedro closely etc..
I thought that she didn't really needed a flashback, but she might get one in the end if she ends up being a central character.
I still can't shake off all the warning signs. Everything points towards her return
I thought that she didn't really needed a flashback, but she might get one in the end if she ends up being a central character.
I still can't shake off all the warning signs. Everything points towards her return
Yeah, but that's one of the thing I'm not really following 100%. The idea is very interesting and I can see why he did that (it shows that the guys understand pretty well certain narrative usages) but he failed me to convinced me on that. The idea is more of a confirmation bias than anything else.
The other idea, the fact that Carrot could have amnesia, on the other hand, is much more interesting. And this is why this guys's work is very interesting because completely complementary to mine.
A long time ago, I noticed the fact that the date of Pedro's journey and the age of Carrot was similar. The fact that she had no parent and the fact that she was treated very young like a out of frontiere character being a Kingsbird and the fact that Pedro oversaw her training, which I found very strange, made me wonder if she was in fact not born on Zou, but on the ship of Pedro during his first trip. Maybe even outside of the crew. Her skill felt so extraordinary (Carrot is capable of using Sulong which is extraordinary for such a young person), she is capable of flying in the air, makes me think that her lineage was quite powerfull as well.
Then, in 2020, we had the Oden flashback and in it, each samurai's journey toward the present day. Except two ! Neko and Inu. We still don't know how they came from being taken by a monster on Wano to becoming ruler on Zou. Its one of the BIG mysteries i've talked about in here:
Pedro, Carrot's brother/father figure and mentor, seemed to know something about a prophecy, a prophecy involving a "savior" coming back centuries later to bring back the DAWN OF THE WORLD.
Your first instinct should tell you that Pedro is talking here about the prophecy that Oden discovered on Raftel, right ?
Well, don't be so sure ! Its possible that the prophecy he is talking about is NOT the prophecy discovered on Raftel, but something that one of the Duke learned about after returning from Wano.
Either that, or Oda PURPOSEFULLY left a hole in the story.
In the story, Oden did NOT talk about the Dawn to its retainers. In fact we know that they were not aware AT ALL about what Oden discovered because they asked him themselve what he knew:
So HOW COME is Pedro aware of the "DAWN", a concept from a prophecy that is only mentionned in the journal of Oden ???
So, either the Duke and Pedro are aware of ANOTHER prophecy about the dawn of the world
OR
Oda offscreened the entire explaination to the retainers which is unlikely for such a news
OR
Pedro was indeed talking about the prophecy of the journal of Oden and there is a hole left in the story of Wano that involves the Dukes.
Because to know about the Prophecy, one had to have the journal in their hand and here comes our second mystery:
How did the Dukes went from being taken by the ennemy and a Number in WANO:
To accessing to the power on ZOU ??
You could say: "Well Oda choosed to offscreen it". And yeah, you could be right, but:
- Why offscreen the past of the Dukes toward the present when this path was depicted in the story of ALL other retainers ?
- Why offscreen such important events in the first place ? We didn't needed much, just one or two panel showing the Duke accessing to power wouldve been enough but we had NOTHING !
Doesn't this feels strange to you ?
It could be nothing OR Oda has purspusfully left a hole in the Duke's stories. And this leads us toward our third mystery :
Who the HECK protected the journal of Oden ?
Here, Oda also left a hole in the story.
Of course, the one protecting the journal could be anyone present in the castle at the time, or even Toki. But we clearly saw no sign of Toki protecting the journal.
So who did it ?
And that's where the hole in the story of the duke might be important. Because its possible that the Dukes are the ones who protected the journal after fleeing Kaido's forces.
And so.. The dukes might be aware of the prophecy .... OR they are aware of ANOTHER prophecy.. Which brings us to our fourth mystery !
Why the HECK did Nekomamushi send Pedro to search for Poneglyphs ?
This one has no explanation. Indeed, why would the mink search for Poneglyph when they are already aware of a prophecy ?
Did the Dukes wanted to learn more about the prophecy ? Or did they learn something when they accessed power ?
And maybe it has something to do with Zunisha. Because something happened 800 years ago and its possible that the fate of the Mink Tribe is LINKED to the fate of Zunisha. This therefore brings us to our fifth mystery:
What did Zunisha do 800 years ago and how did it affected the Mink tribe ?
And this brings us back to that:
In reality. It seems like there are TWO sides to prophecy about the Dawn of the WORLD noted in the journal of Oden :
One concerning Momo:
And one concerning Luffy :
The important thing to understand is that the Dawn of the world is something that has YET to happen !
And its related to Joy boy.
Carrot lost her father/Brother Figure and Mentor after said Pedro choosed to take his life for Luffy in the belief that Luffy woudl bring the dawn of the world.
Carrot still doesn't know the meaning behind the concept of the dawn and she was surprised when Pedro said this:
This means that Carrot is currently probably wondering what is the Dawn of the world and what is the story behind the Mink tribe and that prophecy.
Its possible that the Duke talked to her about that OR ... not at all.
And right now.. Vegapunk is talking about Joy Boy and Carrot is listening actively:
So its possible that Vegapunk is ALSO aware of the concept.
That's why Vegapunk only needs to say one word and Carrot's mind will most probably go crazy !
Its fair to say that if Carrot hear the word "DAWN", she will want to know more. And the only place she should be able to understand that is on the sea. Perhaps even with the strawhats.
This is why we might be just at the start of Carrot's journey and why the Story of Carrot might be related to the Dawn.
BUT THAT NOT ALL - This relationship to the dawn can also be observed in the literal creation of Carrot as a character !
And for that we need to go into a little bit of character analysis:
Indeed. Carrot is constructed to be a personification of the Dawn !
First : Carrot is a Rabbit.
Rabbit are crepuscular, which means they are most active during dusk and dawn.
The important thing to understand is that Oda choosed to personnify Carrot as an animal that could be a symbolic link between the Night and the day.
Second : The personnality of Carrot and the Sulong
The characterization and design of Carrot points toward the mix of two personnalities : a sunny one and a moon one (carrot's real potential being in between)
Carrot is one of the mink with the brightest personnality. In fact she is literally drawn like a sunshine. Her hair being shiny blond. And like all Mink, she has the Sulong, which gives Carrot a much more mature and cold personnality.
Once again, you can see here that Carrot represents a symbolic link between both day and night.
Third : Carrot was a KingBird
Carrot acted previously as a Kingsbird. Meaning that she was literally the link (with Wanda) between the King of the day and the King of the Night.
Once again, the symbolism is clear. Carrot is presented as the link between the day and the night.
Fourth : The will of Pedro
Carrot inherited the will of Pedro. Pedro was the captain of the NOX Pirate (the night before the Dawn). Pedro Believed that the Dawn was near and so Carrot most likely is linked to this belief as well (as explained previously).
The symbolism is once again clear.
Fifth : The design of Carrot
Carrot wears the green cape, the cape of the guardian. Most probably because she was trained by Pedro. But Carrot is a Musketeer who wear blue clothes !! This made Carrot the ONLY mink fighter with a color different from her faction.
Once again, this design choice puts Carrot on the side of a link between the two factions, the faction of the day and the faction of the night.
Sixth : Carrot became the ruler of the mink tribe
Carrot became the new ruler of the mink tribe, thus uniting the faction of the day and the faction of the night. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the new name of the Mink fighters is the "DAWN fighters" !
Bonus - Fun fact :
Aurora.. the Roman mythological deity of the Dawn.. sister of Sol and Luna.. also known as Eos the personnification of Dawn in greek mythology, gave her name to a very special period that Kids loves: EASTER !
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There is SO MUCH MORE to say about Carrot in term of symbolism and narration through characterization but as you can see, Carrot was clearly depicted as a link between the day and the night. The representation of the unification of both :
The Dawn.
This adds up to what I said previously about the mysteries of the Dawn and makes me say that Carrot's journey... might not be finished at all !
1. There are 5 mysteries surrounding the DAWN OF THE WORLD and the Minks:
- HOW is Pedro aware of the "DAWN", that is only mentionned in the journal of Oden and that the retainer had no knowledge about ?
- How did the Dukes went from being taken by the ennemy and a Number in WANO to Ruler on ZOU ?
- Who protected the journal of Oden ?
- Why did Nekomamushi send Pedro to search for Poneglyphs ?
- What did Zunisha do 800 years ago and how did it affect the Mink tribe ?
2. Carrot inherited the Will of Pedro who was obsessed with the "Dawn". For that reason, Vegapunk only needs to say the world "Dawn" and Carrot will most likely go crazy to search for the meaning of that concept on the sea.
3. Carrot's entire characterization, from her story, to her situation to her design and personnality is constructed to be a representation of the link between the night and the day. In other word: the Dawn.
Which lead me to believe that Oda was hiding this specific flashback for a reason. And the reason, I drew it at the time:
I believed that if we had the flashback of the dukes, we would also have a vision of Carrot's past and her origins.
I scrapped amnesia very early on for three reasons:
- Amnesia is kinda easy.
- It would make sence but it would require a HUGE development, something that I didn't think was possible in Wano for Carrot
- And I didn't think that Carrot needed a flashback, I considered that we had enough in the present day (I actually fought a lot in the Nakama thread on that argument alone)
But if Carrot is about to be central.. then the amnesia makes PERFECT sence. (Even if Oda can create something great for Carrot without it).
So the work of this dude perfectly align with what I noticed at the time. And it reenforce the warning sign about the potentiality of seeing Carrot's past !
Concerning her death, this is something that I was pretty sure since her Sulong form was always connected to the moon rabbit myth. I thought it would happen on Wano and Luffy would stop her but I was wrong. If she do comes back, her sacrifice (not necessarily in a big fire, I think the guy is taking the myth a little too seriously) will happen and her rebirth as well.
Overall, this is very interesting. And it shows that Carrot's path is indeed probably not at the ending line just yet.
The other idea, the fact that Carrot could have amnesia, on the other hand, is much more interesting. And this is why this guys's work is very interesting because completely complementary to mine.
A long time ago, I noticed the fact that the date of Pedro's journey and the age of Carrot was similar. The fact that she had no parent and the fact that she was treated very young like a out of frontiere character being a Kingsbird and the fact that Pedro oversaw her training, which I found very strange, made me wonder if she was in fact not born on Zou, but on the ship of Pedro during his first trip. Maybe even outside of the crew. Her skill felt so extraordinary (Carrot is capable of using Sulong which is extraordinary for such a young person), she is capable of flying in the air, makes me think that her lineage was quite powerfull as well.
Then, in 2020, we had the Oden flashback and in it, each samurai's journey toward the present day. Except two ! Neko and Inu. We still don't know how they came from being taken by a monster on Wano to becoming ruler on Zou. Its one of the BIG mysteries i've talked about in here:
Hi !
Here is a little hypothesis that I've been working on for years:
CARROT'S JOURNEY MIGHT BE LINKED TO THE DAWN OF THE WORLD !
I will try to explain why starting with 5 mysteries !
(Summary at the end)
--
LITTLE INTRODUCTION FIRST !
--
Here is a little hypothesis that I've been working on for years:
CARROT'S JOURNEY MIGHT BE LINKED TO THE DAWN OF THE WORLD !
I will try to explain why starting with 5 mysteries !
(Summary at the end)
--
LITTLE INTRODUCTION FIRST !
--
Pedro, Carrot's brother/father figure and mentor, seemed to know something about a prophecy, a prophecy involving a "savior" coming back centuries later to bring back the DAWN OF THE WORLD.
Your first instinct should tell you that Pedro is talking here about the prophecy that Oden discovered on Raftel, right ?
Well, don't be so sure ! Its possible that the prophecy he is talking about is NOT the prophecy discovered on Raftel, but something that one of the Duke learned about after returning from Wano.
Either that, or Oda PURPOSEFULLY left a hole in the story.
--
FIRST MYSTERY
--
FIRST MYSTERY
--
In the story, Oden did NOT talk about the Dawn to its retainers. In fact we know that they were not aware AT ALL about what Oden discovered because they asked him themselve what he knew:
So HOW COME is Pedro aware of the "DAWN", a concept from a prophecy that is only mentionned in the journal of Oden ???
So, either the Duke and Pedro are aware of ANOTHER prophecy about the dawn of the world
OR
Oda offscreened the entire explaination to the retainers which is unlikely for such a news
OR
Pedro was indeed talking about the prophecy of the journal of Oden and there is a hole left in the story of Wano that involves the Dukes.
Because to know about the Prophecy, one had to have the journal in their hand and here comes our second mystery:
--
SECOND MYSTERY
--
SECOND MYSTERY
--
How did the Dukes went from being taken by the ennemy and a Number in WANO:
To accessing to the power on ZOU ??
You could say: "Well Oda choosed to offscreen it". And yeah, you could be right, but:
- Why offscreen the past of the Dukes toward the present when this path was depicted in the story of ALL other retainers ?
- Why offscreen such important events in the first place ? We didn't needed much, just one or two panel showing the Duke accessing to power wouldve been enough but we had NOTHING !
Doesn't this feels strange to you ?
It could be nothing OR Oda has purspusfully left a hole in the Duke's stories. And this leads us toward our third mystery :
--
THIRD MYSTERY
--
THIRD MYSTERY
--
Who the HECK protected the journal of Oden ?
Here, Oda also left a hole in the story.
Of course, the one protecting the journal could be anyone present in the castle at the time, or even Toki. But we clearly saw no sign of Toki protecting the journal.
So who did it ?
And that's where the hole in the story of the duke might be important. Because its possible that the Dukes are the ones who protected the journal after fleeing Kaido's forces.
And so.. The dukes might be aware of the prophecy .... OR they are aware of ANOTHER prophecy.. Which brings us to our fourth mystery !
--
FOURTH MYSTERY
--
FOURTH MYSTERY
--
Why the HECK did Nekomamushi send Pedro to search for Poneglyphs ?
This one has no explanation. Indeed, why would the mink search for Poneglyph when they are already aware of a prophecy ?
Did the Dukes wanted to learn more about the prophecy ? Or did they learn something when they accessed power ?
And maybe it has something to do with Zunisha. Because something happened 800 years ago and its possible that the fate of the Mink Tribe is LINKED to the fate of Zunisha. This therefore brings us to our fifth mystery:
--
FIFTH MYSTERY
--
FIFTH MYSTERY
--
What did Zunisha do 800 years ago and how did it affected the Mink tribe ?
--
SPECULATION : INTRODUCTION
--
SPECULATION : INTRODUCTION
--
And this brings us back to that:
In reality. It seems like there are TWO sides to prophecy about the Dawn of the WORLD noted in the journal of Oden :
One concerning Momo:
And one concerning Luffy :
The important thing to understand is that the Dawn of the world is something that has YET to happen !
And its related to Joy boy.
--
SPECULATION : HOW CAN THE DAWN RELATE TO CARROT ?
--
SPECULATION : HOW CAN THE DAWN RELATE TO CARROT ?
--
Carrot lost her father/Brother Figure and Mentor after said Pedro choosed to take his life for Luffy in the belief that Luffy woudl bring the dawn of the world.
Carrot still doesn't know the meaning behind the concept of the dawn and she was surprised when Pedro said this:
This means that Carrot is currently probably wondering what is the Dawn of the world and what is the story behind the Mink tribe and that prophecy.
Its possible that the Duke talked to her about that OR ... not at all.
And right now.. Vegapunk is talking about Joy Boy and Carrot is listening actively:
So its possible that Vegapunk is ALSO aware of the concept.
That's why Vegapunk only needs to say one word and Carrot's mind will most probably go crazy !
Its fair to say that if Carrot hear the word "DAWN", she will want to know more. And the only place she should be able to understand that is on the sea. Perhaps even with the strawhats.
This is why we might be just at the start of Carrot's journey and why the Story of Carrot might be related to the Dawn.
BUT THAT NOT ALL - This relationship to the dawn can also be observed in the literal creation of Carrot as a character !
And for that we need to go into a little bit of character analysis:
--
ANALYSIS : CARROT'S ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY IS THE PERSONIFICATION OF THE DAWN
--
ANALYSIS : CARROT'S ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY IS THE PERSONIFICATION OF THE DAWN
--
Indeed. Carrot is constructed to be a personification of the Dawn !
First : Carrot is a Rabbit.
Rabbit are crepuscular, which means they are most active during dusk and dawn.
The important thing to understand is that Oda choosed to personnify Carrot as an animal that could be a symbolic link between the Night and the day.
Second : The personnality of Carrot and the Sulong
The characterization and design of Carrot points toward the mix of two personnalities : a sunny one and a moon one (carrot's real potential being in between)
Carrot is one of the mink with the brightest personnality. In fact she is literally drawn like a sunshine. Her hair being shiny blond. And like all Mink, she has the Sulong, which gives Carrot a much more mature and cold personnality.
Once again, you can see here that Carrot represents a symbolic link between both day and night.
Third : Carrot was a KingBird
Carrot acted previously as a Kingsbird. Meaning that she was literally the link (with Wanda) between the King of the day and the King of the Night.
Once again, the symbolism is clear. Carrot is presented as the link between the day and the night.
Fourth : The will of Pedro
Carrot inherited the will of Pedro. Pedro was the captain of the NOX Pirate (the night before the Dawn). Pedro Believed that the Dawn was near and so Carrot most likely is linked to this belief as well (as explained previously).
The symbolism is once again clear.
Fifth : The design of Carrot
Carrot wears the green cape, the cape of the guardian. Most probably because she was trained by Pedro. But Carrot is a Musketeer who wear blue clothes !! This made Carrot the ONLY mink fighter with a color different from her faction.
Once again, this design choice puts Carrot on the side of a link between the two factions, the faction of the day and the faction of the night.
Sixth : Carrot became the ruler of the mink tribe
Carrot became the new ruler of the mink tribe, thus uniting the faction of the day and the faction of the night. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the new name of the Mink fighters is the "DAWN fighters" !
Bonus - Fun fact :
Aurora.. the Roman mythological deity of the Dawn.. sister of Sol and Luna.. also known as Eos the personnification of Dawn in greek mythology, gave her name to a very special period that Kids loves: EASTER !
----------------------
There is SO MUCH MORE to say about Carrot in term of symbolism and narration through characterization but as you can see, Carrot was clearly depicted as a link between the day and the night. The representation of the unification of both :
The Dawn.
This adds up to what I said previously about the mysteries of the Dawn and makes me say that Carrot's journey... might not be finished at all !
--
SUMMARY
--
SUMMARY
--
1. There are 5 mysteries surrounding the DAWN OF THE WORLD and the Minks:
- HOW is Pedro aware of the "DAWN", that is only mentionned in the journal of Oden and that the retainer had no knowledge about ?
- How did the Dukes went from being taken by the ennemy and a Number in WANO to Ruler on ZOU ?
- Who protected the journal of Oden ?
- Why did Nekomamushi send Pedro to search for Poneglyphs ?
- What did Zunisha do 800 years ago and how did it affect the Mink tribe ?
2. Carrot inherited the Will of Pedro who was obsessed with the "Dawn". For that reason, Vegapunk only needs to say the world "Dawn" and Carrot will most likely go crazy to search for the meaning of that concept on the sea.
3. Carrot's entire characterization, from her story, to her situation to her design and personnality is constructed to be a representation of the link between the night and the day. In other word: the Dawn.
Which lead me to believe that Oda was hiding this specific flashback for a reason. And the reason, I drew it at the time:
I believed that if we had the flashback of the dukes, we would also have a vision of Carrot's past and her origins.
I scrapped amnesia very early on for three reasons:
- Amnesia is kinda easy.
- It would make sence but it would require a HUGE development, something that I didn't think was possible in Wano for Carrot
- And I didn't think that Carrot needed a flashback, I considered that we had enough in the present day (I actually fought a lot in the Nakama thread on that argument alone)
But if Carrot is about to be central.. then the amnesia makes PERFECT sence. (Even if Oda can create something great for Carrot without it).
So the work of this dude perfectly align with what I noticed at the time. And it reenforce the warning sign about the potentiality of seeing Carrot's past !
Concerning her death, this is something that I was pretty sure since her Sulong form was always connected to the moon rabbit myth. I thought it would happen on Wano and Luffy would stop her but I was wrong. If she do comes back, her sacrifice (not necessarily in a big fire, I think the guy is taking the myth a little too seriously) will happen and her rebirth as well.
Overall, this is very interesting. And it shows that Carrot's path is indeed probably not at the ending line just yet.
Oh snap, hoppy belated bunny birthday Pot!
https://www.bunnyslippers.com/blog/the-30-best-bunny-rabbit-memes/
https://cheezburger.com/3125253/20-hilarious-rabbit-memes-for-your-sunday-morning
Elmer Fudd backstory:
https://www.bunnyslippers.com/blog/the-30-best-bunny-rabbit-memes/
https://cheezburger.com/3125253/20-hilarious-rabbit-memes-for-your-sunday-morning
Elmer Fudd backstory:
I overall liked at egghead but I consider visiting this forum on the future to be honest
Dealing with the mentally challenged fictional character stans that insult people personally is one thing but it feels like the majority at this point is just here to hate read so rarely there is fruitful discussion, altho this week was a nice change hat some good exchanges like with @GrandmasterChef Zonji @DarkWitch or @Kizaruber Eats
Ever week is the Same Programm, "Art Bad Story Bad character bad" reading chopped up spoilers big leddit circle jerk vibes, not even remotely talking about what happened thematically even
Obviously you can citizen the chaptera but this is just a regular occurrence now almost for years no matter how the chapter is
@Mr. Reloaded how you do it and whats your advice ?
Dealing with the mentally challenged fictional character stans that insult people personally is one thing but it feels like the majority at this point is just here to hate read so rarely there is fruitful discussion, altho this week was a nice change hat some good exchanges like with @GrandmasterChef Zonji @DarkWitch or @Kizaruber Eats
Ever week is the Same Programm, "Art Bad Story Bad character bad" reading chopped up spoilers big leddit circle jerk vibes, not even remotely talking about what happened thematically even
Obviously you can citizen the chaptera but this is just a regular occurrence now almost for years no matter how the chapter is
@Mr. Reloaded how you do it and whats your advice ?