Character Discussion Conquerors Haki: Usopp, Sanji + characters that might have it.

wraithery

wraithery

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In regards to people having a debate on if Usopp has Conquerors Haki or if Sanji has it. People need to really look at what conquerors is & how it's defined.

If you love doing deep dives when looking at old chapters for subtle foreshadowing then apply that same time & energy to Usopp & Sanji.

Don't think about it half assed from memory, really go back & read the story to support your claim on whether the character might have conquerors or not.

To find out if a character might qualify I think you have to do the following:

1. Look at all the confirmed conquerors haki user.

2. Analyze their actual character, their dream/ambition.

3. Look at what their accomplishments are.

4. The influence they have over others & what attracts other people to them.

5. Where they started vs where they are now ontop of what they went through

AND THEN apply EACH section to people you think should get conquerors haki & see if they check off each box. If yes then there's a debate to be had, if they don't then there's nothing left to say.

** in my opinion they all need to check off all these boxes in order to be up for discussion. If there are more traits of a conquerors haki user that I missed then feel free to bring it up. Also if you have a character that has conquerors haki that doesn't meet all these boxes then let me know because that can lead to more discussion.

Last thing: just because a character might not meet certain requirements now doesn't mean they can't later down the line.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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There are a lot of different types of conquerors users. However, I think Oda made it clear that the Conquerors of the Straw Hats are:
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Usopp.

When Conquerors haki was truly introduced at Sabaody there were 4 straw hats who got panels. The four I mentioned earlier.

If you wanna look at the dreams of other conquerors users there is very little in common. But what they do have in common is their willpower to put their life on the line for what’s important.

Sanji and Usopp do qualify here. Their introductions showed this incredibly well. Sanji was willing to die for Zeff on multiple occasions in Baratie and Usopp was willing to die for his village despite their treatment of him.
 
wraithery

wraithery

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Lunaria said:
The problem is it's not that easy to decide whether a particular character checks those "boxes", as it's entirely subjective. So I'm not sure it would make any debate about a character having CoC or not move forward.
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An example I think you be look at Sanji's character from the introduction up to now. With everything the story has shown us about Sanji, does he have some of the qualities of a king that are similar to other CoC users?

Let's also take Crocodile or even another character we might know a decent amount about. With what the story has shown, does Crocodile or (insert character name here) also have the qualities of a CoC user that are in some way similar to other people with Kings haki.

Basically is there a common denominator between person A and the various other users of kings haki ( person B )
 
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Formerly Seth

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Sanji getting it will be the bigger spit to the Conqueror's Haki image than Don Chinjao having it.

Let's keep this amongst the relevant and most optimal characters for it. Oda won't give a gag CoC to two people. Let's face the facts even if Usopp gets it it will be in a form of a gag considering all his lies becoming reality.

Sanji just doesn't fit the criteria. He is not a Conqueror, he doesn't have a leader aura around him and all he wants is to see a fucking fish pond and keep cooking for random people.

+ He is a submissive person. Point a gun at his step daddy and he will betray a crew for you.

Usopp, yes.

Sanji, no.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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Probably none apart from Yamato, that would also look pleasing from a parallel perspective as Shanks only "unlocked" it much later in the years most likely.

But I don't see Sanji or Usopp being enough strong willed to if that's about it, though I would love if Oda proved me incorrect.
 
Hereforthesalt

Hereforthesalt

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Conquerors is like a party favor by this Point. Pretty much Everyone who shows up to the New World party and hangs around for a certain amount of time is bound to get it. This is power inflation 101. Ergo, it will not be a surprise to see Usopp and Sanji with it
 
Ace

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CoC evidence is subjective.

Prior to his CoC reveal hardly anyone in the fandom thought Katakuri would have it. Yet when it was revealed people justified it with scenes they overlooked before.

Both Usopp and Sanji have “evidence” that would justify them having CoC. It’s just up to Oda if he wants to.
 
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Herrera95

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Usopp, Sanji and the rest of One Piece characters. Literally everybody can have but never had the situation to unlock it. And for now on many characters will have it in order to be a challenged for Luffy and Zoro.
With Admirals I bet at least Garp and Akainu to have it, probably GreenBull if he is a true swordsman. Mihawk will be revelead to have it too although will be weird never telling that Zoro had but would also be weird if he was the strongest without it.
 
Lunaria

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wraithery said:
An example I think you be look at Sanji's character from the introduction up to now. With everything the story has shown us about Sanji, does he have some of the qualities of a king that are similar to other CoC users?

Let's also take Crocodile or even another character we might know a decent amount about. With what the story has shown, does Crocodile or (insert character name here) also have the qualities of a CoC user that are in some way similar to other people with Kings haki.

Basically is there a common denominator between person A and the various other users of kings haki ( person B )
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It doesn’t look like Oda follows a particular set of rules, it’s more something that is based on his instinct. Basically a character gets it if Oda feels like giving it to him.

If we’re looking at obvious evidences, volume 100 cover made it clear Sanji’s chances of getting it are extremely high, since the volume in question is literally called "Conqueror’s Haki" and features only CoC users. Yamato joining the crew after being confirmed to have CoC would be the final nail on the coffin.

Usopp’s chances improved a bit after the last chapter but it’s still very uncertain.
 
Monster Luffy

Monster Luffy

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Seth said:
Sanji getting it will be the bigger spit to the Conqueror's Haki image than Don Chinjao having it.

Let's keep this amongst the relevant and most optimal characters for it. Oda won't give a gag CoC to two people. Let's face the facts even if Usopp gets it it will be in a form of a gag considering all his lies becoming reality.

Sanji just doesn't fit the criteria. He is not a Conqueror, he doesn't have a leader aura around him and all he wants is to see a fucking fish pond and keep cooking for random people.

+ He is a submissive person. Point a gun at his step daddy and he will betray a crew for you.

Usopp, yes.

Sanji, no.
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Usopp the coward is okay but Sanji ain't right? I mean someone forgot how Usopp suggested Nami to say Luffy ain't going to become pirate King is worthy of CoC.
'Sanji doesn't have leader aura' and yet he is the one successfully led the crew to Zou.
Sanji rationally thought that Luffy can't defeat Yonko which is true and that is why he went along, otherwise crew will be dead. When Zoro thinks fighting two Yonkos is difficult, Zoro is rational but when Sanji does in action with an intention of saving the crew, he is a betrayer. Wah.
 
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faker

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Seth said:
Sanji getting it will be the bigger spit to the Conqueror's Haki image than Don Chinjao having it.

Let's keep this amongst the relevant and most optimal characters for it. Oda won't give a gag CoC to two people. Let's face the facts even if Usopp gets it it will be in a form of a gag considering all his lies becoming reality.

Sanji just doesn't fit the criteria. He is not a Conqueror, he doesn't have a leader aura around him and all he wants is to see a fucking fish pond and keep cooking for random people.

+ He is a submissive person. Point a gun at his step daddy and he will betray a crew for you.

Usopp, yes.

Sanji, no.
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Yes, even if Zoro's father was pointed at with a gun, he would not betray his companions

Oh, I forgot Zoro might have jumped out of a stone
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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The only thing that doesn't convince me about Ushimaru = Green Bull is the different laughing style I guess, but he might have an additional one.

Actually another could be age but this is pretty speculative still.
 
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Emperor said:
Usopp the coward is okay but Sanji ain't right? I mean someone forgot how Usopp suggested Nami to say Luffy ain't going to become pirate King is worthy of CoC.
'Sanji doesn't have leader aura' and yet he is the one successfully led the crew to Zou.
Sanji rationally thought that Luffy can't defeat Yonko which is true and that is why he went along, otherwise crew will be dead. When Zoro thinks fighting two Yonkos is difficult, Zoro is rational but when Sanji does in action with an intention of saving the crew, he is a betrayer. Wah.
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Usopp's lies tend to become reality.

Sanji is pointless. Waste of CoC.
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Yes, even if Zoro's father was pointed at with a gun, he would not betray his companions

Oh, I forgot Zoro might have jumped out of a stone
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Zoro doesn't care about Wano + Ushitmaru is not his father. Cope harder.
 
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