General & Others Could coby become admiral without being top tier

#1
so as it is, many people are severely doubting if Coby can become admiral within the main continuity of the series. For many, he is simply too weak and hence will only be admiral in the epilogue.

However, I profoundly dislike this idea. I don't see why Oda would need to do this. Coby's dream parallels with those of the straw hats and if the straw hats are all going to accomplish their dreams by EoS, why shouldn't Coby? I think it would be far more impactful to see Coby do something that would make him worthy of the title and then to become admiral, than for it to just happen off-screen and us see him as admiral 20 years in the future or something. I also don't know if One Piece will even have an epilogue.

Not every series needs to have the same ending as Harry Potter. Bleach ended in an epilogue, Naruto ended in an epilogue, would Oda really do that? I find it hard to believe, given that he's releasing the designs of the older versions of the SHs in the SBS.

I for one have always thought that Coby was far stronger than his rank suggests. Rank isn't a purely strength based title, it is also based off experience and Coby is an 18 year old who's only been in the marines for little over 2 years. So it makes sense for him to only be a captain. I mean if you look at it, every vice admiral except for maybe a few who I might be forgetting are all middle aged men. All of the admirals are middle aged men. I think even all of the rear admirals are middle aged men. In my opinion, the only reason Coby isn't VA yet isn't because of strength but rather because he doesn't have a feat under his belt to put him on that rank. I think he will accomplish that in Amazon lily.

But on the chance that Coby is really just a captain in terms of strength, would that mean that Coby cannot accomplish his dream within the confines of the series? I don't think so. Like I said, rank isn't purely based off strength. As a character, Coby has always reminded me of Captain America. They were both this weak guy with a strong heart that transforms into a powerful soldier. Now as we you guys might know, Captain America isn't the strongest avenger, he's not even close. He's on a team with Thor, a literal God, and the Hulk, who is the most powerful being alive(in some comics). Yet they all follow Captain America's lead, not because of his physical strength but rather the strength of his character. Could Coby be similar?

Now I know in One piece, strength and leadership are usually tied hand in hand, but I don't see why this has to be the case. What if an event happens that causes most of the current admirals to quit. Perhaps the marines get into a clash with Luffy or blackbeard and they lose heavily. The admirals, ashamed and defeated, quit their posts. While some other marines could fill the shoes of the admirals, strength wise, there aren't enough of them to replace all 3 of the admirals. I think that'd be where Coby would step in.

I think Coby will do something so heroic, that regardless of his strength, the marines will acknowledge him as a hero and he will be given the title of admiral. While there could be stronger people in the marines, coby would be best fit to be admiral due to the content of his character. This would be the exact opposite of akainu, who is physically fit to be admiral, but is morally bankrupt.

Anyways thanks for coming to my TED talk
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#2
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How many more times do we really need to hash this out?? Koby is NOWHERE near achieving his goal, that is some purely EoS shit.

Also, I think this takes for granted that several Straw Hat dreams likely WON’T be fulfilled even when the series ends...Nami and Franky both need to go around the entire world, and Zoro/Usopp/Chopper all have living goals without a clear conclusion. Just because Koby was the first person Luffy ever encountered, that doesn’t automatically mean he’ll have earned one of the most prestigious positions in the Marines even by the time One Piece winds down.

Is it possible? With Oda, fuckin’ ANYTHING can happen. He’d have to twist himself (and all of us) in knots to justify a character largely known for shooting above his current abilities suddenly transforming into a world beater.
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To some of your points:

He DOES have a defining feat, Kyros recognized him as the hero of whatever happened with Law at Rocky Port. We have no indication that any former or current admirals reached their position due to one shining moment, so I don’t think that’s enough for Koby.

His powers simply don’t match up to most characters in this world, but I’ll give you the leadership thing, that could feasibly be an avenue for him to do what he wants to do. Being that he’s a teenager with less than five years experience, I STILL don’t think THAT’S enough to move the needle during the story proper. If he keeps training with Rokushiki/honing his CoO/unlocking another form of Haki, then he’d have a reasonable boost.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#3
No way, strenght is fundamental for an admiral. You must be recognised as one of the strongest marine forces that will take on the greatest dangers.
 
#4
so as it is, many people are severely doubting if Coby can become admiral within the main continuity of the series. For many, he is simply too weak and hence will only be admiral in the epilogue.

However, I profoundly dislike this idea. I don't see why Oda would need to do this. Coby's dream parallels with those of the straw hats and if the straw hats are all going to accomplish their dreams by EoS, why shouldn't Coby? I think it would be far more impactful to see Coby do something that would make him worthy of the title and then to become admiral, than for it to just happen off-screen and us see him as admiral 20 years in the future or something. I also don't know if One Piece will even have an epilogue.

Not every series needs to have the same ending as Harry Potter. Bleach ended in an epilogue, Naruto ended in an epilogue, would Oda really do that? I find it hard to believe, given that he's releasing the designs of the older versions of the SHs in the SBS.

I for one have always thought that Coby was far stronger than his rank suggests. Rank isn't a purely strength based title, it is also based off experience and Coby is an 18 year old who's only been in the marines for little over 2 years. So it makes sense for him to only be a captain. I mean if you look at it, every vice admiral except for maybe a few who I might be forgetting are all middle aged men. All of the admirals are middle aged men. I think even all of the rear admirals are middle aged men. In my opinion, the only reason Coby isn't VA yet isn't because of strength but rather because he doesn't have a feat under his belt to put him on that rank. I think he will accomplish that in Amazon lily.

But on the chance that Coby is really just a captain in terms of strength, would that mean that Coby cannot accomplish his dream within the confines of the series? I don't think so. Like I said, rank isn't purely based off strength. As a character, Coby has always reminded me of Captain America. They were both this weak guy with a strong heart that transforms into a powerful soldier. Now as we you guys might know, Captain America isn't the strongest avenger, he's not even close. He's on a team with Thor, a literal God, and the Hulk, who is the most powerful being alive(in some comics). Yet they all follow Captain America's lead, not because of his physical strength but rather the strength of his character. Could Coby be similar?

Now I know in One piece, strength and leadership are usually tied hand in hand, but I don't see why this has to be the case. What if an event happens that causes most of the current admirals to quit. Perhaps the marines get into a clash with Luffy or blackbeard and they lose heavily. The admirals, ashamed and defeated, quit their posts. While some other marines could fill the shoes of the admirals, strength wise, there aren't enough of them to replace all 3 of the admirals. I think that'd be where Coby would step in.

I think Coby will do something so heroic, that regardless of his strength, the marines will acknowledge him as a hero and he will be given the title of admiral. While there could be stronger people in the marines, coby would be best fit to be admiral due to the content of his character. This would be the exact opposite of akainu, who is physically fit to be admiral, but is morally bankrupt.

Anyways thanks for coming to my TED talk
Fujitora did it so why not
 
#5
No way, strenght is fundamental for an admiral. You must be recognised as one of the strongest marine forces that will take on the greatest dangers.
I don't know how many dangers will actually exist EoS

also, being a good strategist can help you take out a good majority of threats. If the SSG is really as strong as the shichibukai, I don't think the admirals would really need to be that powerful anymore.
 
#6
I don't know how many dangers will actually exist EoS

also, being a good strategist can help you take out a good majority of threats. If the SSG is really as strong as the shichibukai, I don't think the admirals would really need to be that powerful anymore.
It's not like there's going to be world peace

There will still be Pirates. When Roger was PK, there were still marines, rivals, millions of pirates etc. it's naive to suggest strength wont be integral for Admirals. The entire point of an Admiral is as a deterrent to criminals: they rival Yonko for a reason.
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Fujitora did it so why not
Are you seriously implying Fujitora isn't a monster?
 
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