Debunking LolUniverse Kratos
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Maybe you should I don't know CITE THIS?
There's very easy debunks of this.
The light of Helios is stated to have INFINITE SPEED.
Do you know what Infinite speed means?
Infinite speed means infinite times faster than light
Kratos is FASTER than this. Kratos is faster than Infinite Speed.
How can you be faster than infinitity yet yu are below universal bound by universal statements. if the universe is infinite and Kratos is faster than infinity, Kratos is officially Universal +
There's very easy debunks of this.
The light of Helios is stated to have INFINITE SPEED.
Do you know what Infinite speed means?
Infinite speed means infinite times faster than light
Kratos is FASTER than this. Kratos is faster than Infinite Speed.
How can you be faster than infinitity yet yu are below universal bound by universal statements. if the universe is infinite and Kratos is faster than infinity, Kratos is officially Universal +
I saw VsB putting Kratos on universal level, because scaling from Zeus, who beated Kronos, who killed Uranus.
I can understand Uranus being universal by creating the universe, but Kratos never displayed such a feat, neither by statements nor by feats, especially from Kratos>Zeus>Kronos>Uranus scaling.
A few people also used source from the origin myth, but ignoring that Typhon in GoW doesn´t have the size of a star like in his fight against Zeus, or that there also exist another Chronos as primordial God. Universal Kratos is a joke. Even if he killed some universal creator, or someone that killed the creator of a universe, that guy isn´t automatically universal.
I can understand Uranus being universal by creating the universe, but Kratos never displayed such a feat, neither by statements nor by feats, especially from Kratos>Zeus>Kronos>Uranus scaling.
A few people also used source from the origin myth, but ignoring that Typhon in GoW doesn´t have the size of a star like in his fight against Zeus, or that there also exist another Chronos as primordial God. Universal Kratos is a joke. Even if he killed some universal creator, or someone that killed the creator of a universe, that guy isn´t automatically universal.
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The first problem is, Kratos never beated universal people by himself. (That alone isn´t a problem at all, since scaling "can" allow you to scale to universal people, but it mostly depends on the context) He beated a character which scaled to someone that beated the creator of the universe. Zeus fought and beated his father the Titan Kronos. The Titan Kronos killed his father, the primordial god Uranus.
Kratos itself never displayed any universal feats, let alone statements that backed up that he becoming a universal being. For being universal, he is too inconsistent if it comes to in game feats, as example weaker gods/beings then Zeus can hurt him, which makes the entire scaling useless. It is really difficult to use scaling from the Lore, doesn´t matter if we are using the GoW lore, or how a few people include the origin greek myth.
I don´t know how Kratos would stand, i am not complete into GoW. But universal level Kratos is far away from that level. I doubt even he is above planetary level, but for that it might be useful to ask other GoW debater with more knowledge.
Kratos itself never displayed any universal feats, let alone statements that backed up that he becoming a universal being. For being universal, he is too inconsistent if it comes to in game feats, as example weaker gods/beings then Zeus can hurt him, which makes the entire scaling useless. It is really difficult to use scaling from the Lore, doesn´t matter if we are using the GoW lore, or how a few people include the origin greek myth.
I don´t know how Kratos would stand, i am not complete into GoW. But universal level Kratos is far away from that level. I doubt even he is above planetary level, but for that it might be useful to ask other GoW debater with more knowledge.
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you're saying kratos never beats a universal person yet you lay out of that kratos beats people higher than universal. Like zues is higher than universal
@Steven
You guys are ridiculous
You have a very surface level understanding of GoW lore.
Did any of you know that Helios' light is infinite speed? I will be surprised if you even know that
@Cao Cao you say kratos has problems with weaker gods. But then how weak do you think these weaker gods are exactly? Like did you know Helios has infinite speed attacks? You know what infinite speed means right? That's infinite times the speed of light
And Helios IS NOT even the fastest god. Zeus, Kratos and Hermes are faster than Helios meaning they are FASTER THAN INFINITY
I mean actually, I don't even think you guys have basic knowledge of GoW not mention deep knowledge. Did you guys know Kratos over powered Atlas? Atlas who holds the weight of the planet got overpowered by kratos
That's just brute physical strength being comparable to a guy who supports the weight of the earth.
And kratos is continental? His plain physical strength scales to a planet but his attack power is Continental? Like seriously?
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@Steven
You guys are ridiculous
You have a very surface level understanding of GoW lore.
Did any of you know that Helios' light is infinite speed? I will be surprised if you even know that
@Cao Cao you say kratos has problems with weaker gods. But then how weak do you think these weaker gods are exactly? Like did you know Helios has infinite speed attacks? You know what infinite speed means right? That's infinite times the speed of light
And Helios IS NOT even the fastest god. Zeus, Kratos and Hermes are faster than Helios meaning they are FASTER THAN INFINITY
I mean actually, I don't even think you guys have basic knowledge of GoW not mention deep knowledge. Did you guys know Kratos over powered Atlas? Atlas who holds the weight of the planet got overpowered by kratos
That's just brute physical strength being comparable to a guy who supports the weight of the earth.
And kratos is continental? His plain physical strength scales to a planet but his attack power is Continental? Like seriously?
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Not quiet, unless we are allowing that way of scaling and saying everyone here is now universal thanks to Uranus. The only one who has something to do with Uranus was Cronos before. The same Cronos that fought Kratos in GoW 3, but with the difference that he fought against a weakened Cronos, who was banned along the other Titans in Tartarus before. The universal scaling already stops after Cronos, while the battle between him and Zeus is pretty much unknown, since it was off screen and never explained. The battle between Kratos and Zeus was miles away from being even planetary and aside from the lore, there was not a single feat or statement which implies the battle between Kratos and the gods can affect the entire universe.
I also don´t say Kratos beat people which are higher then universal. That is what VsB said. VsB is known for inconsistent scaling and mixing the game lore with the origin lore of the myth, which is already a problem, since GoW often break the logic (Typhon was a Titan in GoW, but he wasn´t in the origin myth. Atlas has the size at least of a planet, in GoW he is far smaller, the same counts for Typhon who was far bigger.) If Kratos really would fight against the guys from the origin lore, he would fight against far more powerful opponents, while GoW is more a weaker variation.
We have to look how the feats from Kratos and his opponents are comparable to the lore.
Don´t know, that´s why i said i give Kratos nothing above planetary level by the context of the lore and the feats at maximum. Weaker gods aren´t powerful as Zeus, or more powerful, so there is no chance for Kratos to scale higher then his opponent.
Infinite speed is one thing, but that would mean Helios his attacks hit Kratos every time to 100%, unless we arguing infinite<faster then infinity.
And that is exactly the reason, why that term doesn´t work. You can´t be faster than infinite speed. Either you are infinite times faster or that statement failed in terms of consistency. I mean, rly? Blitzing someone that is fast as infinite speed?
That´s why i said i am not complete familiar with it, feel free to enlighten me. I have more knowledgable on the greek myth, then on GoW. Still, there exist Wiki profiles, Respect Threads, etc. and nothing justified infinite speed, or universal Kratos by crossbattle standards. That might work by inverse logic, but that failed by every neutral basic.
Lifting Strength, isn´t comparable to durability or striking strength, let alone to AP and DC. What proves Atlas has the durability of a planet? Because if this is given and Kratos hurt him, then we really could argue Kratos and that level.
Which are two different powers. I can´t give someone a planetary scaling, because i killed someone who lifted something. If someone lift a rock, i still can kill that person with lesser effort. That guy, nor i are more durable then the rock.
Tell me how Kratos his physical strength scales to Atlas? Did Kratos ever lift the planet, or did Atlas has shown that he also can tank planet level attacks? Because that is necessary for proper scaling.
I also don´t say Kratos beat people which are higher then universal. That is what VsB said. VsB is known for inconsistent scaling and mixing the game lore with the origin lore of the myth, which is already a problem, since GoW often break the logic (Typhon was a Titan in GoW, but he wasn´t in the origin myth. Atlas has the size at least of a planet, in GoW he is far smaller, the same counts for Typhon who was far bigger.) If Kratos really would fight against the guys from the origin lore, he would fight against far more powerful opponents, while GoW is more a weaker variation.
We have to look how the feats from Kratos and his opponents are comparable to the lore.
Don´t know, that´s why i said i give Kratos nothing above planetary level by the context of the lore and the feats at maximum. Weaker gods aren´t powerful as Zeus, or more powerful, so there is no chance for Kratos to scale higher then his opponent.
Infinite speed is one thing, but that would mean Helios his attacks hit Kratos every time to 100%, unless we arguing infinite<faster then infinity.
And that is exactly the reason, why that term doesn´t work. You can´t be faster than infinite speed. Either you are infinite times faster or that statement failed in terms of consistency. I mean, rly? Blitzing someone that is fast as infinite speed?
That´s why i said i am not complete familiar with it, feel free to enlighten me. I have more knowledgable on the greek myth, then on GoW. Still, there exist Wiki profiles, Respect Threads, etc. and nothing justified infinite speed, or universal Kratos by crossbattle standards. That might work by inverse logic, but that failed by every neutral basic.
Lifting Strength, isn´t comparable to durability or striking strength, let alone to AP and DC. What proves Atlas has the durability of a planet? Because if this is given and Kratos hurt him, then we really could argue Kratos and that level.
Which are two different powers. I can´t give someone a planetary scaling, because i killed someone who lifted something. If someone lift a rock, i still can kill that person with lesser effort. That guy, nor i are more durable then the rock.
Tell me how Kratos his physical strength scales to Atlas? Did Kratos ever lift the planet, or did Atlas has shown that he also can tank planet level attacks? Because that is necessary for proper scaling.
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You can if you are above universal
The universe itself is an infinite space time continuum.
When someone destroys a universe, they aren't simply making a big area of DC. There's is no measurable "Area". The universe is infinite. And the person went ABOVE infinity to destroy it.
BTW there's very many things about infinity even in our relationship world. Look it up.
So yes, you can be above infinity if you are above universal. By definition destroying a universe directly translates to a person destroying INFINITE TIME AND SPACE. This is automatically Above Infinity.
Also the argument of "Zues and Kratos don't destroy planets when they fight" doesn't work because the creator Cory Barlog himself said he can't actually create a game that matches the lore of the story.
He says for the sake of the game working a specific way, the physical representation of what Kratos can do in lore doesn't match the lore and he expects the players to suspend disbelief. E.g. Kratos is shown surviving getting run through by the sword of olympus yet random no name grunt enemies can kill him. Well, because it's a game.
Let's examine this with an easy comparison in GoW4. Follow this closely
1. The branches of the world tree are stated in lore to be above Infinite Time and space. That's why the branches can hold the 9 realms on them. Because they are beyond universal.
2. Geographically, the 9 realms are infinite distance apart given each realm is on a different branch of infinite time space. But the 9 realms also transpose onto one another acting as parallel universes if you use tyr's temple to teleport between them. The main method of travel is only via teleportation since you are covering infinite distance.
3. Only Valkyries are stated able to move from one realm to another BY SHEER MOVEMENT. By that I mean the Valkyries travel across that infinite distance between realms BY JUST FLYING ACROSS, no teleportation. It takes them a few minutes to cover infinite distance therefore once again we have ourselves INFINITE SPEED. The plain movement speed of Valkyries is infinite speed.
4. Kratos is faster than Valkyries in combat. So once again, Kratos is shown faster than infinite speed.
So we have two characters who in lore should be moving at ridiculous speed, yet the game plays like you're fighting a dark souls boss. When you fight Valkyries, do they look like they are moving at infinite speed? No. Because the game is built to be playable so aspects of the lore aren't literally incorporated.
See, you say Kratos is "inconsistent" yet there we have it. Kratos was faster than Helios' infinite speed attacks and he's faster than infinite speed Valkyries.
The universe itself is an infinite space time continuum.
When someone destroys a universe, they aren't simply making a big area of DC. There's is no measurable "Area". The universe is infinite. And the person went ABOVE infinity to destroy it.
BTW there's very many things about infinity even in our relationship world. Look it up.
So yes, you can be above infinity if you are above universal. By definition destroying a universe directly translates to a person destroying INFINITE TIME AND SPACE. This is automatically Above Infinity.
Also the argument of "Zues and Kratos don't destroy planets when they fight" doesn't work because the creator Cory Barlog himself said he can't actually create a game that matches the lore of the story.
He says for the sake of the game working a specific way, the physical representation of what Kratos can do in lore doesn't match the lore and he expects the players to suspend disbelief. E.g. Kratos is shown surviving getting run through by the sword of olympus yet random no name grunt enemies can kill him. Well, because it's a game.
Let's examine this with an easy comparison in GoW4. Follow this closely
1. The branches of the world tree are stated in lore to be above Infinite Time and space. That's why the branches can hold the 9 realms on them. Because they are beyond universal.
2. Geographically, the 9 realms are infinite distance apart given each realm is on a different branch of infinite time space. But the 9 realms also transpose onto one another acting as parallel universes if you use tyr's temple to teleport between them. The main method of travel is only via teleportation since you are covering infinite distance.
3. Only Valkyries are stated able to move from one realm to another BY SHEER MOVEMENT. By that I mean the Valkyries travel across that infinite distance between realms BY JUST FLYING ACROSS, no teleportation. It takes them a few minutes to cover infinite distance therefore once again we have ourselves INFINITE SPEED. The plain movement speed of Valkyries is infinite speed.
4. Kratos is faster than Valkyries in combat. So once again, Kratos is shown faster than infinite speed.
So we have two characters who in lore should be moving at ridiculous speed, yet the game plays like you're fighting a dark souls boss. When you fight Valkyries, do they look like they are moving at infinite speed? No. Because the game is built to be playable so aspects of the lore aren't literally incorporated.
See, you say Kratos is "inconsistent" yet there we have it. Kratos was faster than Helios' infinite speed attacks and he's faster than infinite speed Valkyries.
Actual greek mythology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the greek mythology of god of war. One could stretch real greek mythology as galactic leveled beings.
Kratos was only able to defeat any greek gods cuz he had the abstract power of Hope, which he lost at the conclusion of god of war 3. But even like, full blown kratos is just like, big mountain level.
Top tiers in Naruto could beat him, let alone the real powerhouses of anime/manga.
Gods who create universes aren't all omnipotent combat gods. Defeating Uranus vaguely or something =/= defeating the sky and space.
You could argue that true greek mythology is like that, but the games, the characters have very definite power scale, with or without gameplay involvement.
Kratos was only able to defeat any greek gods cuz he had the abstract power of Hope, which he lost at the conclusion of god of war 3. But even like, full blown kratos is just like, big mountain level.
Top tiers in Naruto could beat him, let alone the real powerhouses of anime/manga.
Gods who create universes aren't all omnipotent combat gods. Defeating Uranus vaguely or something =/= defeating the sky and space.
You could argue that true greek mythology is like that, but the games, the characters have very definite power scale, with or without gameplay involvement.
Depended on if the opponent is above-space and time by existing/ignoring the very idea/concept of space and time, while the other guy has to be part of the space-time continuum. The problem is Hermes is physical as Kratos is. Being above universal by tiering is one thing. The potency to destroy a universe (mostly the space of it) doesn´t mean you are above time. The same also counts for beings which exist in a higher dimension, since lower concepts becoming mostly irrelevant. Infinite power and infinite speed within a 4-D construct became irrelevant if someone exist one dimension above that. (Depended on the dimensional tiering and the multiverse or multi-dimensional theories which are used. )
The universe in GoW is infinity?
Anyway, one infinite space-time continuum, doesn´t change much. It is just infinite more space and might be relevant if someone travel instantly from one point to another. There is als the question if the universe is infinite, or did it just expand infinity.
If someone can ignore the infinite idea, and destroy a universe like this, sure. However, no one in GoW destroyed the universe, at least not from my last knowledge. Uranus created the universe, that is all what we know. Kronos take over the universe after killing Uranus, he didn´t create or destroy it. Mostly they rule above that, the same what Zeus does. There is also the problem the no one exist above that infinite universe. They exist all within.
Infinity is often a term which is hard to proof, and either mostly a metaphor, or hype. However, Infinity also exist within a few universe theories, there also exist scientific theories that the universe is still expanding. But infinite expansion doesn´t mean the universe is infinite, since the process is still ongoing.
If the verse has a infinite universe model, sure. But you aren´t automatically above the concept of time, and time becomes relevant if we talking about speed. Let´s say Kratos and the others are faster then Hermes infinite speed, they still can blitz eachother, and they never archived to exist in a higher dimension to say the infinite speed of Kratos became not relevant to Zeus for example. Scaling Infinite above infinite while using the same universe model, doesn´t make sense tbh.
That might be a good answer, but why he can´t create a game like that? Because there are a few games which can match the powerlevel of olympic gods really well, for example Asura´s Wrath. And i doubt that game need more budged, then a good GoW. But anyway, that is only one point. Maybe he really doesn´t have the possibilities for it, we are using mostly feats in debates. If those feats match up with the statements mostly, or there are some points where we can say under special circumstances they are universal, then it is ok. But like i said, the only one who has a universal creator feat is Uranus.
Then it would make sense, if he correct that in the comic, because that is a canonically source too and statements are more taken as face value.
Kratos was still hurt within cutszenes, or the story. Game mechanics are more, if i would say he was hurt by some fodder non names, but i already ignore this, because like you said: It is a game. I don´t use the game mechanics for scaling.
Ok.
That sounds better, i will reread/rewatch some points. Only problem i see is that infinite speed becoming irrelevant if they move within the universe instead of the 9 realms.
This is true, but what about the cutscenes from the story, Those aren´t game mechanics. If Kraos has infinite speed, he literally would be omnipresent within his universe. I mean, that guy doesn´t have shown even infinite speed when he had to take a rowboad to get Freya. Where was the infinite speed when his son was being kidnapped by dark elves and Baldur. In the battle between him and Hermes, who fought both in the same domain/dimension, no one here has displayed infinite speed, because Kratos managed to overcome Hermes his speed which has shown distance and a timeframe due the cinematics.
I think the main problem is that the word of the author take priority over feats and showings, that´s why i said that might work by inverse-logic. (Probably not even in this situation) If we argue Kratos infinite speed within his own universe, with his laws and with the WoG, then we can ignore anti-feats and say yes they are infinite fast. But if it comes to a crossbattle, there are not infinite speed arrows. Instead of infinite speed, it can be argued for abilities that ignores the concept of distance, but even that doesn´t count for everything.
A lot of characters in fiction are inconsistent by the term of infinite speed, since they mostly don´t fulfill that concept. Being faster then that, is like i said above is only possible if both operates in complete different/higher dimensions with complete different laws. By inverse logic, sure they can be argued as universal or higher, but if it comes to crossbattles, we can´t use everything 1:1. I mean, there are people who believe Kaguya from Naruto are universal, because she can create a space-time continuum. But since we don´t know the size of that, nor the size of her dimensions she never archived the universal tiering level. Same also counts for Zeref from Fairy Tail. To affecting the entire universe, or being above that universe we need more. Existing above the universe is also different from being more powerful. You might be not bound by the laws, but you aren´t automatically more powerful then the universe.
Kratos by his feats in comparison to the infinite speed statements, or to the unviersal scaling is far away from being consistent on that level. However, i don´t say he is inconsistent at all. He has feats, so he can be put somewhere in terms of speed and of tiering level. It is just not infinite speed and universal.
Yeah, they have some really special calibers. Even other fiction that includes greek mythology outclassed GoW featwise by far like Saint Seiya for example which used a huge amount of greek myth.
Hope is a really complicated concept and can have indeed an infinite potential. However, for that there still exist rules, otherwise it would be NLF and Kratos could even beat the likes of Galactus, or Beyonder.
Yeah, you don´t have to be universal to beat someone like Kratos. Mostly it is enough to have the right abilities.
Indeed. Omnipotence is also term which failed too often in fiction, that´s why that word and the title of god are meaningless in fiction, as long that character doesn´t have shown impressive feats or a consistent lore behind him.
True but greek myth, would be like Cronos cut the schlong and the balls of Uranus, to prevent him from raping Gaia again. Doesn´t sound really impressive either, but the myth works with a complete different analogy
The universe in GoW is infinity?
Anyway, one infinite space-time continuum, doesn´t change much. It is just infinite more space and might be relevant if someone travel instantly from one point to another. There is als the question if the universe is infinite, or did it just expand infinity.
If someone can ignore the infinite idea, and destroy a universe like this, sure. However, no one in GoW destroyed the universe, at least not from my last knowledge. Uranus created the universe, that is all what we know. Kronos take over the universe after killing Uranus, he didn´t create or destroy it. Mostly they rule above that, the same what Zeus does. There is also the problem the no one exist above that infinite universe. They exist all within.
Infinity is often a term which is hard to proof, and either mostly a metaphor, or hype. However, Infinity also exist within a few universe theories, there also exist scientific theories that the universe is still expanding. But infinite expansion doesn´t mean the universe is infinite, since the process is still ongoing.
If the verse has a infinite universe model, sure. But you aren´t automatically above the concept of time, and time becomes relevant if we talking about speed. Let´s say Kratos and the others are faster then Hermes infinite speed, they still can blitz eachother, and they never archived to exist in a higher dimension to say the infinite speed of Kratos became not relevant to Zeus for example. Scaling Infinite above infinite while using the same universe model, doesn´t make sense tbh.
That might be a good answer, but why he can´t create a game like that? Because there are a few games which can match the powerlevel of olympic gods really well, for example Asura´s Wrath. And i doubt that game need more budged, then a good GoW. But anyway, that is only one point. Maybe he really doesn´t have the possibilities for it, we are using mostly feats in debates. If those feats match up with the statements mostly, or there are some points where we can say under special circumstances they are universal, then it is ok. But like i said, the only one who has a universal creator feat is Uranus.
Then it would make sense, if he correct that in the comic, because that is a canonically source too and statements are more taken as face value.
Kratos was still hurt within cutszenes, or the story. Game mechanics are more, if i would say he was hurt by some fodder non names, but i already ignore this, because like you said: It is a game. I don´t use the game mechanics for scaling.
Ok.
That sounds better, i will reread/rewatch some points. Only problem i see is that infinite speed becoming irrelevant if they move within the universe instead of the 9 realms.
This is true, but what about the cutscenes from the story, Those aren´t game mechanics. If Kraos has infinite speed, he literally would be omnipresent within his universe. I mean, that guy doesn´t have shown even infinite speed when he had to take a rowboad to get Freya. Where was the infinite speed when his son was being kidnapped by dark elves and Baldur. In the battle between him and Hermes, who fought both in the same domain/dimension, no one here has displayed infinite speed, because Kratos managed to overcome Hermes his speed which has shown distance and a timeframe due the cinematics.
I think the main problem is that the word of the author take priority over feats and showings, that´s why i said that might work by inverse-logic. (Probably not even in this situation) If we argue Kratos infinite speed within his own universe, with his laws and with the WoG, then we can ignore anti-feats and say yes they are infinite fast. But if it comes to a crossbattle, there are not infinite speed arrows. Instead of infinite speed, it can be argued for abilities that ignores the concept of distance, but even that doesn´t count for everything.
A lot of characters in fiction are inconsistent by the term of infinite speed, since they mostly don´t fulfill that concept. Being faster then that, is like i said above is only possible if both operates in complete different/higher dimensions with complete different laws. By inverse logic, sure they can be argued as universal or higher, but if it comes to crossbattles, we can´t use everything 1:1. I mean, there are people who believe Kaguya from Naruto are universal, because she can create a space-time continuum. But since we don´t know the size of that, nor the size of her dimensions she never archived the universal tiering level. Same also counts for Zeref from Fairy Tail. To affecting the entire universe, or being above that universe we need more. Existing above the universe is also different from being more powerful. You might be not bound by the laws, but you aren´t automatically more powerful then the universe.
Kratos by his feats in comparison to the infinite speed statements, or to the unviersal scaling is far away from being consistent on that level. However, i don´t say he is inconsistent at all. He has feats, so he can be put somewhere in terms of speed and of tiering level. It is just not infinite speed and universal.
Yeah, they have some really special calibers. Even other fiction that includes greek mythology outclassed GoW featwise by far like Saint Seiya for example which used a huge amount of greek myth.
Hope is a really complicated concept and can have indeed an infinite potential. However, for that there still exist rules, otherwise it would be NLF and Kratos could even beat the likes of Galactus, or Beyonder.
Yeah, you don´t have to be universal to beat someone like Kratos. Mostly it is enough to have the right abilities.
Indeed. Omnipotence is also term which failed too often in fiction, that´s why that word and the title of god are meaningless in fiction, as long that character doesn´t have shown impressive feats or a consistent lore behind him.
True but greek myth, would be like Cronos cut the schlong and the balls of Uranus, to prevent him from raping Gaia again. Doesn´t sound really impressive either, but the myth works with a complete different analogy
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The things is,cutscenes are still part of the game. Get it? The game can’t move from depicting kratos tearing land masses apart while fighting Baldur and then a cutscene has him destroying a planet. The cutscene are still beholden to game mechanics
like for example once again Freya says “Each strand of the world tree is beyond infinite space and time”. Before I was saying the branches of the world tree are beyond infinity but that’s not true. What freya actually says is “each strand”. Like a little tooth pick size piece of the world tree is already above infinite space time. So you can imagine how an entire branch of the world tree scales.
now what’s interesting is that someone broke it. Someone managed to break a piece of the world tree by sheer force. That was Thor and The world serpent.
when Thor and the world serpent fought, the collateral damage broke a piece of the world tree and launched The world serpent into the past.
notice, neither Thor nor the world serpent have time manipulating abilities per se. They are just so strong that just the collateral damage of their fight destroyed time space and created a vortex that sent The world serpent to the past. That’s like someone punching you so hard that a wormhole forms in space and punches you through time.
And now the world serpent is trapped in the past. Remember the world serpent doesn’t actually have time manipulation abilities.he can get trapped in the past. Yet if he really really tried, he can destroy a piece of infinite space time.
so where does the world serpent scale? He doesn’t have ridiculous feats in game yet his backstory specifically says he has the power to break an object that transcends infinite space time.
and what’s interesting is that he got knocked out by baldur. Remember according to the lore, Thor and the world serpent going head to head breaks reality by the sheer force of their strength since neither of them actually have reality bending hax. Yet if Baldur catches the World serpent off guard,he can knock him out. The world serpent whose durability is above reality bending universal force, is knocked out by Baldur.
and in the cutscene of Baldur knocking out the world serpent, the world doesn’t get destroyed and there are no earth shattering reality warping effects. It’s just three attacks and the world serpent falls over like a big snake.
so where do you scale Baldur Thor and the World serpent given all this?is the lore not true?hos come the cutscenes don’t depict some ridiculous reality altering shit yet the lore says that the world serpent bends reality just by fighting?
this goes back to the valkyries having infinite speed. It’s clear that these gods scale above universal casually. The biggest speed feat in gow4 is the valkyries and the biggest strength feats are between Baldur, the world serpent and Thor and these are all casually universal feats.
And Kratos beat the valkyries and Baldur. kratos beat people with the biggest speed and strength feats
like for example once again Freya says “Each strand of the world tree is beyond infinite space and time”. Before I was saying the branches of the world tree are beyond infinity but that’s not true. What freya actually says is “each strand”. Like a little tooth pick size piece of the world tree is already above infinite space time. So you can imagine how an entire branch of the world tree scales.
now what’s interesting is that someone broke it. Someone managed to break a piece of the world tree by sheer force. That was Thor and The world serpent.
when Thor and the world serpent fought, the collateral damage broke a piece of the world tree and launched The world serpent into the past.
notice, neither Thor nor the world serpent have time manipulating abilities per se. They are just so strong that just the collateral damage of their fight destroyed time space and created a vortex that sent The world serpent to the past. That’s like someone punching you so hard that a wormhole forms in space and punches you through time.
And now the world serpent is trapped in the past. Remember the world serpent doesn’t actually have time manipulation abilities.he can get trapped in the past. Yet if he really really tried, he can destroy a piece of infinite space time.
so where does the world serpent scale? He doesn’t have ridiculous feats in game yet his backstory specifically says he has the power to break an object that transcends infinite space time.
and what’s interesting is that he got knocked out by baldur. Remember according to the lore, Thor and the world serpent going head to head breaks reality by the sheer force of their strength since neither of them actually have reality bending hax. Yet if Baldur catches the World serpent off guard,he can knock him out. The world serpent whose durability is above reality bending universal force, is knocked out by Baldur.
and in the cutscene of Baldur knocking out the world serpent, the world doesn’t get destroyed and there are no earth shattering reality warping effects. It’s just three attacks and the world serpent falls over like a big snake.
so where do you scale Baldur Thor and the World serpent given all this?is the lore not true?hos come the cutscenes don’t depict some ridiculous reality altering shit yet the lore says that the world serpent bends reality just by fighting?
this goes back to the valkyries having infinite speed. It’s clear that these gods scale above universal casually. The biggest speed feat in gow4 is the valkyries and the biggest strength feats are between Baldur, the world serpent and Thor and these are all casually universal feats.
And Kratos beat the valkyries and Baldur. kratos beat people with the biggest speed and strength feats
Kratos in god of war ps4 is just like wolverine with super strength, he doesn't even have hope, the greek gods would kill him.
A greek god was pretty much ragdolled by falling from his flying chariot and unable to really resist kratos at that point, stop shilling for b tier justice league motherfuckers.
A greek god was pretty much ragdolled by falling from his flying chariot and unable to really resist kratos at that point, stop shilling for b tier justice league motherfuckers.
No, no he doesn't, I've played god of war 2, 3, and ps4, there is no game between 3 and god of war ps4, he never uses anything close to hope power after he frees it via self ganking. He might have "hope" in a like, purely sentient existence level, but he doesn't have the hope power he had that allowed him to defeat the gods.
If you destroy the time travelnig car from back to the future, you aren't stronger than time and space, you just took a hammer to a car. The world tree has definite form, it's big, but that feat isn't any more impressive than baldur punching a giant snake.
If you destroy the time travelnig car from back to the future, you aren't stronger than time and space, you just took a hammer to a car. The world tree has definite form, it's big, but that feat isn't any more impressive than baldur punching a giant snake.
There is difference between the game mechanics, and the lore. Like you said for example before that Kratos can be attacked, or killed by random fodder if his HP is 0. Those aren´t feats, those are just game mechanics. But if it comes to Cutscenes, those are indeed part of the lore, so they are used as feats. A cutscene itself is part of the events within the story, the same with the dialogues. The same also counts for other canonical stuff, like the comics, or depended on the context interviews with the WoG. Of course, if they rules allowed game mechanics, they can be used. But that would cause a lot of headache for several reasons.
I will respond to the other parts another time, i have to rewatch/reread a few few things
I will respond to the other parts another time, i have to rewatch/reread a few few things
The creators have confirmed the Games are based of real mythology.
Keep in mind, the games are based off Mythology.
I've seen Zeus scaled to multiversal.
Kratos>Zeus
In conclusion,
Kratos is multiversal or above.
The games based off mythology. I've seen scales of Zeus, he's multiversal.
Keep in mind, the games are based off Mythology.
I've seen Zeus scaled to multiversal.
Kratos>Zeus
In conclusion,
Kratos is multiversal or above.
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The games based off mythology. I've seen scales of Zeus, he's multiversal.