Questions & Mysteries Devil fruit Rebirth: The key to how Blackbeard achieved Whitebeard's Devil Fruit?

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Bogard

You can't win
#1
First of all, do you all remember Smiley?



Yes this gigantic monster. He was an incarnation of the H2S gas(that destroyed Punk Hazard 4years ago), that was altered and compressed to the form of a gel poisonous monsters, eating the Sala Sala fruit: Axolotl modell(based on Vegapunks' artificial zoan fruits) to bring him to life




But with the issue of the affected targets still being able to run and escape, Caesar tried to find an alternative by making the Smiley eat a special kind of food(the giant sweet) essentially turning him into a mass spreading gas immobilizing everyone in contact with it to perfect its killing process

Now onto the panel itself, notice the key words here

> Transform
> Birth


Because after eating the special sweet-food, i think the zoan rebirth Smiley H2S gas effectively died to turn/be transformed and rebirth into the actual Shinokuni(Land of Death)

Why is it important? Because in the rebirth process, the zoan modelled fruit itself or rather the soul of the fruit vanished to try to find another place of birth and do you know which better place it is to rebirth?



Yes another fruit of course, but what is the most interesting part about this is how the rebirth devil fruit actually chose the closest fruit in proximity to take refuge in and ultimately transforming it into another devil fruit

Maybe the same thing happened between Big Mom and Mother Carmel then.

We know as well that Mother Carmel was the previous holder of the Soru Soru no mi



And it's heavily implied Big Mom ate her(judging by the sound effects and her clothing)


And thus killing her, forcing the fruit to find a nearby one to reside in, with Big Mom likely ultimately eating that fruit.

Burgess in dressrosa was also seen carrying a bag of devil fruits and explaining how he has to kill Luffy, then steal it also further hints to this possibility


With the devil fruit's soul likely being forced to being rebirth in one of the nearest fruit to him(inside his bag) after Luffy's theoritical death and taking advantage to eat it and ultimately become a devil fruit user himself.

Looking at all this then, i think it's how Blackbeard achieved Whitebeard's gura gura devil fruit in the war, likely using the black mantel not only to hide what he was doing to the world, but also not to miss the opportunity of achieving and eating the rebirth fruit this way :)
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#2
First of all, do you all remember Smiley?



Yes this gigantic monster. He was an incarnation of the H2S gas(that destroyed Punk Hazard 4years ago), that was altered and compressed to the form of a gel poisonous monsters, eating the Sala Sala fruit: Axolotl modell(based on Vegapunks' artificial zoan fruits) to bring him to life




But with the issue of the affected targets still being able to run and escape, Caesar tried to find an alternative by making the Smiley eat a special kind of food(the giant sweet) essentially turning him into a mass spreading gas immobilizing everyone in contact with it to perfect its killing process

Now onto the panel itself, notice the key words here

> Transform
> Birth


Because after eating the special sweet-food, i think the zoan rebirth Smiley H2S gas effectively died to turn/be transformed and rebirth into the actual Shinokuni(Land of Death)

Why is it important? Because in the rebirth process, the zoan modelled fruit itself or rather the soul of the fruit vanished to try to find another place of birth and do you know which better place it is to rebirth?



Yes another fruit of course, but what is the most interesting part about this is how the rebirth devil fruit actually chose the closest fruit in proximity to take refuge in and ultimately transforming it into another devil fruit

Maybe the same thing happened between Big Mom and Mother Carmel then.

We know as well that Mother Carmel was the previous holder of the Soru Soru no mi



And it's heavily implied Big Mom ate her(judging by the sound effects and her clothing)


And thus killing her, forcing the fruit to find a nearby one to reside in, with Big Mom likely ultimately eating that fruit.

Burgess in dressrosa was also seen carrying a bag of devil fruits and explaining how he has to kill Luffy, then steal it also further hints to this possibility


With the devil fruit's soul likely being forced to being rebirth in one of the nearest fruit to him(inside his bag) after Luffy's theoritical death and taking advantage to eat it and ultimately become a devil fruit user himself.

Looking at all this then, i think it's how Blackbeard achieved Whitebeard's gura gura devil fruit in the war, likely using the black mantel not only to hide what he was doing to the world, but also not to miss the opportunity of achieving and eating the rebirth fruit this way :)
We know theres a time lapse from death before the fruit leaves
I e enel wb.
It doesnt leave straight away.
Maybe its drinking the blood ?
 

Bogard

You can't win
#3
We know theres a time lapse from death before the fruit leaves
I e enel wb.
It doesnt leave straight away.
Maybe its drinking the blood ?
I don't think the time lapse was mentioned. It's the procedure that is unknown. How it leaves, when it leaves, those details are unknown, but i think it depends on the environment(fruit), with Burgess potentially carrying a bag of devil fruits while attempting to kill Luffy further proving that

 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#4
I don't think the time lapse was mentioned. It's the procedure that is unknown. How it leaves, when it leaves, those details are unknown, but i think it depends on the environment(fruit), with Burgess potentially carrying a bag of devil fruits while attempting to kill Luffy further proving that

Surely there is a time lapse ?
Or else enel would have lost his fruit power and not being able to restart his own heart. And bb gave a whole speech before taking wbs fruit. So its not instantly after death.
 
#5
I don't know if BB used this method to steal WB's df, there is also the chancr the yami had a role, yet it is the most likely option.

Anyway shouldn't this method of transfer be canon and common knowledge since Dressrosa at least?
 
#6
I thought you gain the power also by eating the other person. I wouldnt be suprised if BB ate WB's heart or something. Akainu already made a hole in his chest.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#7
I thought you gain the power also by eating the other person. I wouldnt be suprised if BB ate WB's heart or something. Akainu already made a hole in his chest.
If that’s the case, wouldn’t Shanks/WB pirates realize WB’s heart is missing?
And I think that’s a bit too dark for Oda to have BB carve out WB’s heart and eat it
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#9
You got a point with that
I just think that since it wasn’t a key plot point, it’s fine that Linlin eating mother Carmel was hinted at but not confirmed.

On the other hand, it will be disappointing if Blackbeard’s way of getting the Gura Gura no mi was explained implicitly . This is one of the biggest OP mysteries, we need a proper explanation
 
#11
First of all, do you all remember Smiley?



Yes this gigantic monster. He was an incarnation of the H2S gas(that destroyed Punk Hazard 4years ago), that was altered and compressed to the form of a gel poisonous monsters, eating the Sala Sala fruit: Axolotl modell(based on Vegapunks' artificial zoan fruits) to bring him to life




But with the issue of the affected targets still being able to run and escape, Caesar tried to find an alternative by making the Smiley eat a special kind of food(the giant sweet) essentially turning him into a mass spreading gas immobilizing everyone in contact with it to perfect its killing process

Now onto the panel itself, notice the key words here

> Transform
> Birth


Because after eating the special sweet-food, i think the zoan rebirth Smiley H2S gas effectively died to turn/be transformed and rebirth into the actual Shinokuni(Land of Death)

Why is it important? Because in the rebirth process, the zoan modelled fruit itself or rather the soul of the fruit vanished to try to find another place of birth and do you know which better place it is to rebirth?



Yes another fruit of course, but what is the most interesting part about this is how the rebirth devil fruit actually chose the closest fruit in proximity to take refuge in and ultimately transforming it into another devil fruit

Maybe the same thing happened between Big Mom and Mother Carmel then.

We know as well that Mother Carmel was the previous holder of the Soru Soru no mi



And it's heavily implied Big Mom ate her(judging by the sound effects and her clothing)


And thus killing her, forcing the fruit to find a nearby one to reside in, with Big Mom likely ultimately eating that fruit.

Burgess in dressrosa was also seen carrying a bag of devil fruits and explaining how he has to kill Luffy, then steal it also further hints to this possibility


With the devil fruit's soul likely being forced to being rebirth in one of the nearest fruit to him(inside his bag) after Luffy's theoritical death and taking advantage to eat it and ultimately become a devil fruit user himself.

Looking at all this then, i think it's how Blackbeard achieved Whitebeard's gura gura devil fruit in the war, likely using the black mantel not only to hide what he was doing to the world, but also not to miss the opportunity of achieving and eating the rebirth fruit this way :)
I don't think the time lapse was mentioned. It's the procedure that is unknown. How it leaves, when it leaves, those details are unknown, but i think it depends on the environment(fruit), with Burgess potentially carrying a bag of devil fruits while attempting to kill Luffy further proving that

I could believe this theory admin. Bt one question pops up In my mind after reading this.

Jesus burgess in DR was carrying a bag full of dfs so when he kills Luffy, his df transfers into one of these dfs, correct. Assuming the same to be true BB did the same. Bt MF was a War, battle ongoing with pirates n Marine dying every second so wouldn't that make issues for him if some of other dfs also made it into the BB dfs/ bag and he accidentally also ate em? Afterall these df have curses and potentially two has even bigger risks(rumour being user dies) , eating many would have definitely killed him. Would he take that risk, or could it be a inconsistency?
 
F

Formerly Seth

#14
I can't wait to witness that one.

I wonder how powerful it could be...

Something tells me Luffy's DF will prove totally useless against Teach during their EoS clash
True.
Luffy will fight Teach only with his Haki.
If not Oda should shove his writing right in his ass.
 
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