Powers & Abilities Does Kaido or Big Mom have Ryuo or what?

[ImmaIvanoM]

What exactly is happening here?

Are Big mom and Kaido using barrier haki or not?

 

[Kejon]

They are both using advanced CoC. They can use CoC to hit people without actually touching them.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

They are both using advanced CoC in those panels but they both have advanced CoA. Ryou is just a term that residents of Wano use for CoA.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Either the whole not touching it is adv coa/ryou then BM/Kaido/Luffy are using adv coc + adv coa

OR

Adv coc also have barrier thing like adv coa in which case they are using adv coc.........in this case one can use level one adv coc which kaido used during ragnarok attack i.e coc coating and level 2 coc which is barrier......

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Kaido and BM do not have ADCOA. That is the reason why Luffy is able to match Kaido in base even though Kaido is far stronger physically. He has ADCOA to compensate for the areas where he is lacking.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kaido and BM do not have ADCOA. That is the reason why Luffy is able to match Kaido in base even though Kaido is far stronger physically.

How though? BM clearly used barrier this chapter.....kaido too during his clash with luffy......

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

KAIDO is a master in the 3 types of HAKI.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

How though? BM clearly used barrier this chapter.....kaido too during his clash with luffy......

They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?

 

[MonsterKaido]

They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?

Ok......
Oda.....
Anyways luffy did exacly same thing BM so they are using similar thing........
Nothing proves luffy's ryo > their's

 

[Finalbeta]

KAIDO is a master in the 3 types of HAKI.

Master? What do you intend by master?

Mihawk is a real master most likely. He allegedly forged the Black Blade probably related, a feat Roger himself most likely failed to attain rather than neglecting its possibility.

Kaido asked the Scabbards whether or not they were using Ryou, Kaido's CoA haki is nothing that special, most probably. He has ACoC however.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?

If Luffy is using ACOA + ADCOC, why didn't he break Kaido's club? If Kaido were using only ADCOC, his club is out of service.
Unless you think that ADCOA does not pierce a normal COA.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Kaido and BM do not have ADCOA. That is the reason why Luffy is able to match Kaido in base even though Kaido is far stronger physically. He has ADCOA to compensate for the areas where he is lacking.

So how come big mom is hitting page one without making contact

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

So how come big mom is hitting page one without making contact

By his logic, it would be because she is using ADCOC, but PAG1 does not have ADCOC to use and stop the blow without touching it.

 

[HA001]

By his logic, it would be because she is using ADCOC, but PAG1 does not have ADCOC to use and stop the blow without touching it.

Just acoc doesn't mean not touching.
Kaido used acoc on ragnorak that hit luffy.

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

So how come big mom is hitting page one without making contact

His headcanon

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Just acoc doesn't mean not touching.
Kaido used acoc on ragnorak that hit luffy.

This means that ADCOC can replace COA, it can hurt DF users.
And you can hit the enemy without touching it, is that what you mean?

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?

You cannot not use AdvCOC without knowledge and understanding of advanced COA.

 

[Kejon]

People hate the Yonko so much that they're simply gonna ignore literal facts shown in the manga to make them look weaker lmao. Obviously they both have adv CoC. BM, Kaido and Luffy used it in this chapter. Oda wanted to show the readers that BM indeed has it too.

 

[HA001]

You cannot not use AdvCOC without knowledge and understanding of advanced COA.

The whole things a mess at this point.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

You cannot not use AdvCOC without knowledge and understanding of advanced COA.

It was never said nor implied. I already told you in a different thread that Zoro did it with 0 knowledge on ADCOA.