Versus Battle Doflamingo family (One piece) vs the Phantom Troupe (HxH) : discussion thread

[RayanOO]

Here this is not a fight thread but a discussion thread.

Doffy family

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And the Phantom troupe

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This is a discussion about those two groups. Their similarities, differences etc.

Which team has the closer bond between its members ?

Which team was the most respectful and loyal to its leader ?

Which team managed to be the most succesful ?

Which team has the biggest impact on its own world ?

Which team has the best characters ?

Which team is the most versatile one ability wise ?

Pakunoda vs Viola : who has the best information gathering powers ? The best tracker ?

Kortopi vs Viola : who is the best tracker ? Kortopi can track things within or near his copies.

The best puppet masters : Machi and Shalnark vs Doflamingo ?

Who has the most hax in his team ? Kortopi vs Sugar ?

Doffy and Chrollo : who had the rawest / most difficult start ? Doffy removed from the CD and having to start anew and Chrollo in Meteor city the outcast island ?
Who is the smartest of the two ? The strongest in their respective universe ? who is the better leader ? the most succesful one ?
Philosophy wise and character wise who do you prefer ?

Hisoka vs Trebol : who has the best glue-like ability ?

etc etc etc

You can obviously discuss any subjects out of those initial questions related to Dofla family and Phantom troupe !

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[Chrono]

Which team has the closer bond between its members ?

Id say Phantom Troupe is far closer to each other. I dont remember much of Dressrosa, but all I remember was the Doffy Crew just worshipping Doffy and pretty much being indifferent to each other.

Heres some sweet Phantom Troupe moments

(Bare with me....I cant crop anything.)

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Which team was the most respectful and loyal to its leader ?

Probably Doffy's crew, but thats only because the whole point of the Phantom Troupe is to be more loyal to the Spider and not Chrollo. Chrollo isnt supposed to be any different to any member, and thats whats supposed to make them so powerful. That even if something happens to Chrollo, they can easily replace him and and carry on working. Though that idea flopped when members like Pakunoda showed more loyalty towards Chrollo.....

Which team managed to be the most succesful ?

I mean the Phantom Troupe never fails. Donquoite Pirates did....

Which team has the biggest impact on its own world ?

Defintetly the Phantom Troupe, but only cause theyre like one of the strongest groups in the HXH world.....whilst Donquoite Pirates are all pretty much fodder except for Doffy.

Which team has the best characters inside ?

Phantom Troupe.

Which team is the most versatile one ability wise ?

Phantom Troupe.

Pakunoda vs Viola : who has the best information gathering powers ? The best tracker ?

Hmmm.....they're pretty much equal in my opinion. Both are telepaths that can read minds. Both can transfer what theyve seen onto others.

Kortopi vs Viola : who is the best tracker ? Kortopi can track things within or near his copies.

Viola is better, cause Kortopi can only track his copies.....or if things are inside his copies. I think Viola can track everything right.

The best puppet masters : Machi and Shalnark vs Doflamingo ?

Individual puppets: Shalnark > Doffy > Matchi

Many Puppets: Doffy > Matchi > Shalnark

Plus I dont think Matchi can control people who are alive.

Who has the most hax in his team ? Kortopi vs Sugar ?

Kortopi isnt really most hax in the crew, its probably Shalnark ( Excluding Chrollo that can use other peoples powers). Sugar is more hax than anyone since she can oneshot anyone unlimitedly.

Doffy and Chrollo : who had the rawest / most difficult start ? Doffy removed from the CD and having to start anew and Chrollo in Meteor city the outcast island ?
Who is the smartest of the two ? The strongest in their respective universe ? who is the better leader ? the most succesful one ?

Chrollo 100%, Doffy prety much had Trebol and co. come to him as a kid and help him out and what not. Whilst Chrollo had to start this all off by himself. He then enlisted his childhood friends to help him ( which I believe are the original Phantom Troupe members). And yh its pretty much obvious whos more smarter between the two.

Philosophy wise and character wise who do you prefer ?

We dont really know much about Chrollo's philosphy. though from what we can understand. He only kills people because they have nothing to do with him. as he stated to Gon. And as we can see from his reactions to the deaths of Phantom Troupe members, this is correct since he only shows emotions when something happens to his group. We also have the line he said to Hisoka which makes me think that he disociates with humans in general, and sees them as something completely different. Perhaps he truly identifies with the Spider and its way of living. I really dont care about Doffy lol, so yh I prefer Chrollo

Hisoka vs Trebol : who has the best glue-like ability ?

Hisoka maybe, but only because hes made Bungee Gum so damn OP.

 

[RayanOO]

In the creation of the two group there is something similar : the two groups on a waste areas in front of the leader.

Doffy has relationships and "care" about his family.

And they all love him

I mean the Phantom Troupe never fails. Donquoite Pirates did....

The Doffy pirate were quite successful ; they have their own country, they run an incredible wide scale business, a lot of countries, Yonko etc bought weapons or Smile or anything to the Doffy family. They runners a very big part of the black Market.

Defintetly the Phantom Troupe, but only cause theyre like one of the strongest groups in the HXH world.....whilst Donquoite Pirates are all pretty much fodder except for Doffy.

The fall of te Doffy family had quite the big impact on the whole world. They were important in the One piece world.

Doffy prety much had Trebol and co. come to him as a kid and help him out and what not. Whilst Chrollo had to start this all off by himself. He then enlisted his childhood friends to help him ( which I believe are the original Phantom Troupe members). And yh its pretty much obvious whos more smarter between the tw

Doffy had to kill his father, and in the gutter for some time. And him having trebol and co is one of Doffy accomplishment. He managed to make them loyal to him, protect him etc. At the very start Doffy was all alone.

And Chrollo also had his friends : the 9 original spider memeber : phinks feitan Uvo Franklin etc.

I think in Universe wise Chrollo and Doffy are almost the same power wise. Both strong high tier. A guy like Post Rose Meruem or Whitebeard can destroy the same Chrollo or Doffy.

 

[Just a member]

Pretty similair in many fields indeed.

About the relationship maybe the PT is more close, when Vergo and Monet were supposedly killed there was pretty much almost no reaction from the donquixote family, maybe something from Doffy but not much. Also it could also be that the Doffy family is not so emotional, in the end Doffy after all that he did and took was almost deprived of emotions (killed his father, brother) even if at least he asked Law about Vergo. While the PT hasmade Hisoka a sworn enemy and Kurapika too pretty much cause they killed PT members. Also Silva, and a ton of other people, telling his children to never go vs the spider, pretty much some kind of WB pirates, there is also Meteor city policy: if you kill one of us you will pay ot dearly. Some random dude from Meteor city was killed and the city send multiple kamikazes to take revenge, so even worse to WB cause they don't care so much even.about their own life if it is to take revenge. Now that I think about it most likely every Spider member, Chrollo included, is ready to die if that means to bring Hisoka with him/her (maybe Machi could be a.last minute surprise but that too is very unlikely).

The PT is loyal to Chrollo but some are to Chrollo directly, the most emotional ones maybe (Nobunaga, Machi..), while others to his beliefs (Spider first) like Phinks and Feitan (see when the spiders had to decide if they had to save Chrollo or scan and probably kill Gon and Killua).

The PH troupe for sure has way more weight in the HxH world, be both the HxH verse or "simply" for the story. Chrollo is among the strongest humans in the verse and the other spiders are below nut not by much (at least power wise, Chrollo has way bigger versatility and brains) while Doffy is weaker than probably any YC (or at least we know Cracker is stronger, be haki or how he fought vs G4 Luffy) and his family is way below him (Luffy at least had to put in a some effort even in G4 to win while Pica and Vergo were pretty much oneshotted by Zoro and Law).

Then about the start I guess Doffy had an easier one. Afterall Trebol popped out of the blue offering an overpowered df and 4 strong subordinates as the cornerstone of his rise to power (and we still don't know why and how he did that).

 

[LadyVados]

The Phantom Troupe is way cooler than lame-ass Doffy family.

They’re infinitely scarier, more interesting and fascinating.