There are really people like this? Thats sad 
So, this means, you really dislike some characters because the arc was the worse one for you? Mashima is still the one who wrote this arc in this way. The downfall of them or what kind of ability they had has nothing to do with their personalties overall. In that case I must hate almost every character in every shonen or I misunderstood something ^^
But I respect you’re opinion ^^
Imo the battles can also be written good with hax abilities, but the authors don't want it. Who knows why.
But tbh the same can be said about OP pre TS and about many, many other shonens too
She is one of my favorite female characters in OP and one of my favorite OP characters overall
I don't care how powerful she is or not. I still like her power a lot even if this power isn't useful anymore.
But I am sure the current Perona would have Haki too and with that she is for sure among the top 50 OP characters
All characters not only these ones here or other characters in FT since Tartaros but also many other characters like the ones in OP or other shonens are always victims of the plot, so it doesn't matter how powerful the ability of someone is or if someone has other abilities too. If the author wants that the character lose, he will lose. One of the many reasons why powerscaling is absolute nonsense in shonens.
I agree that the battles of Seilah, Kyoka, Yoko and that of the Sisters were terrible and that most of them are only hax users. I also still hate their downfalls.
But only to show you the difference even if its only a small difference.
The difference between Seilah, Kyoka and Dimaria for me is that Seilah was one of the 9DG and it only need one punch from Elfman to defeat her, she was at her fullpower. Kyoka was at her fullpower too and Erza defeated her.
So everyone could do that with them, but in Dimarias case (especially in the main serie) they need a time user and a god slayer to defeat her. The only reasons why Dimaria took so much damage was because of Sherrias GS power and not because she is overall weak, I think many people forget that.
Wendy who was stronger than Sherria even used her DF and she could not scratch her.
Well at least Kyoka had also some physical strength.
Yokos main power was really only her "hax" ability but in the second battle she didn't use that power again, why? I don't know why, but instead she used a yokai form and had a sword battle with Erza.
Take Dimarias Age Seal away and she would still defeat Yoko.
The Signario Sisters were defeated from Erzas base armor probably because of the plot too.
But still, even with the plot fights in the Alvarez arc, the S12 members showed us more impressive things. Alone the reason that many of them only fall because of team battles or because of the help from others overall shows this.
Not to forget that even now S12 members like Brandish still help them in the 100YQ to defeat the new enemies and are among the top fighters and Brandish is not even among the top 6 from the S12.
But this is at least my opinion :)
The Big Mom/One Piece example is not really better at all imo, if someone isn’t afraid of her, her main power doesn’t work, how is that better than to say, „you must be stronger than Dimarias time magic or have the same power to defeat her“? In which way is Big Moms hax better or has legitame counters? Or rather how are the counters of Dimarias hax not legitimate?
Big Mom is a Yonko, there are not many characters who are not afraid of her, same like Dimaria, she is a Spriggan and there are not many characters who are stronger than her (especially in the main serie). So it's the same situation right?
Take from both characters the main ability away and both characters are not so strong anymore. But seriously, that can be said about almost every shonen character.
But Dimaria also has other abilities than her time stop, she is a sword user and she also can use her god takeover. Yeah it’s connected with time magic but still, she can use this power also without her time stop ability. It’s only more broken with her time power.
The same can said about 99% of the OP characters, take Big Moms Devil Fruit and then she can only use her Haki and her physical strength.
Imo it doesn’t make a real difference between them.
Beside, One Piece has Haki, Haki is imo the most boring and laziest power in shonens overall. It doesn’t matter what Devil Fruit someone has, it doesn’t matter what someone can do with a Devil Fruit, if someone has better or stronger Haki you can defeat the person. You dont’t even need someone who can counter it or who is overall stronger (without Haki).
Logia users or users like Perona and Sugar are best examples, the main abilities are useless because of Haki. What can they do if many others have better/stronger Haki? Characters like Perona, Sugar, Enel (one of my favorites), Wapol, Moria, Caeser and many more would be absolute useless if their opponent is not someone like Ussop or Nami who still have not Haki (what is also really weird btw).
Isn’t that the same if not even worse than to need some special magic or have more magic power?
Haki
I don't see that Oda is better writer at all, there are some good things he can write or are better than Mashimas writing style but in fights he is more garbage, the Alvarez arc fights were terrible but they were still better than most of the OP battles since the Dressrosa arc.
Mashima at least gave side characters like Sherria and Ultear screentime, the battles were longer than the offscreen battles or clash battles we always get in OP and Dimaria was defeated throught the power of a time user (Ultear) and a God Slayer (Sherria).
So this battles made sense and Dimaria had bad luck to fight against them.
Imo this kind of battles are more interessing because side characters who are weaker than the major antagonsist of the arc can still be usefull and can shine without that the enemy is potrayed in a bad way.
Thats like Nami could shine and win against Kalifa and Miss Doublefinger back during the Alabasta and Enies Lobby arcs.
I miss the days, because now Nami, Ussop and many more are absolute useless and don’t even get some battles anymore.
So yeah in a case it makes more fun to read the battles and I enjoy them more. I honestly wish we would have some of these FT battles in OP. I like and prefer more this kind of battles than the OP battles with Haki, Nika/Gear 5 or clash and offscreen battles.
Even if they are not written well too but because we can see other characters, abilities, spells, power ups etc I can enjoy them more than the OP battles.
Imo both writers are not so good anymore how they once were but Mashima at least shows most of the battles and even with side characters and gaves his characters some kind of development and power ups, something I miss in OP especially with the SHP.
But overall both series have good things what I like about them and the reasons why I read them :)
So, this means, you really dislike some characters because the arc was the worse one for you? Mashima is still the one who wrote this arc in this way. The downfall of them or what kind of ability they had has nothing to do with their personalties overall. In that case I must hate almost every character in every shonen or I misunderstood something ^^
But I respect you’re opinion ^^
Imo the battles can also be written good with hax abilities, but the authors don't want it. Who knows why.
But tbh the same can be said about OP pre TS and about many, many other shonens too
She is one of my favorite female characters in OP and one of my favorite OP characters overall
I don't care how powerful she is or not. I still like her power a lot even if this power isn't useful anymore.
But I am sure the current Perona would have Haki too and with that she is for sure among the top 50 OP characters
All characters not only these ones here or other characters in FT since Tartaros but also many other characters like the ones in OP or other shonens are always victims of the plot, so it doesn't matter how powerful the ability of someone is or if someone has other abilities too. If the author wants that the character lose, he will lose. One of the many reasons why powerscaling is absolute nonsense in shonens.
I agree that the battles of Seilah, Kyoka, Yoko and that of the Sisters were terrible and that most of them are only hax users. I also still hate their downfalls.
But only to show you the difference even if its only a small difference.
The difference between Seilah, Kyoka and Dimaria for me is that Seilah was one of the 9DG and it only need one punch from Elfman to defeat her, she was at her fullpower. Kyoka was at her fullpower too and Erza defeated her.
So everyone could do that with them, but in Dimarias case (especially in the main serie) they need a time user and a god slayer to defeat her. The only reasons why Dimaria took so much damage was because of Sherrias GS power and not because she is overall weak, I think many people forget that.
Wendy who was stronger than Sherria even used her DF and she could not scratch her.
Well at least Kyoka had also some physical strength.
Yokos main power was really only her "hax" ability but in the second battle she didn't use that power again, why? I don't know why, but instead she used a yokai form and had a sword battle with Erza.
Take Dimarias Age Seal away and she would still defeat Yoko.
The Signario Sisters were defeated from Erzas base armor probably because of the plot too.
But still, even with the plot fights in the Alvarez arc, the S12 members showed us more impressive things. Alone the reason that many of them only fall because of team battles or because of the help from others overall shows this.
Not to forget that even now S12 members like Brandish still help them in the 100YQ to defeat the new enemies and are among the top fighters and Brandish is not even among the top 6 from the S12.
But this is at least my opinion :)
The Big Mom/One Piece example is not really better at all imo, if someone isn’t afraid of her, her main power doesn’t work, how is that better than to say, „you must be stronger than Dimarias time magic or have the same power to defeat her“? In which way is Big Moms hax better or has legitame counters? Or rather how are the counters of Dimarias hax not legitimate?
Big Mom is a Yonko, there are not many characters who are not afraid of her, same like Dimaria, she is a Spriggan and there are not many characters who are stronger than her (especially in the main serie). So it's the same situation right?
Take from both characters the main ability away and both characters are not so strong anymore. But seriously, that can be said about almost every shonen character.
But Dimaria also has other abilities than her time stop, she is a sword user and she also can use her god takeover. Yeah it’s connected with time magic but still, she can use this power also without her time stop ability. It’s only more broken with her time power.
The same can said about 99% of the OP characters, take Big Moms Devil Fruit and then she can only use her Haki and her physical strength.
Imo it doesn’t make a real difference between them.
Beside, One Piece has Haki, Haki is imo the most boring and laziest power in shonens overall. It doesn’t matter what Devil Fruit someone has, it doesn’t matter what someone can do with a Devil Fruit, if someone has better or stronger Haki you can defeat the person. You dont’t even need someone who can counter it or who is overall stronger (without Haki).
Logia users or users like Perona and Sugar are best examples, the main abilities are useless because of Haki. What can they do if many others have better/stronger Haki? Characters like Perona, Sugar, Enel (one of my favorites), Wapol, Moria, Caeser and many more would be absolute useless if their opponent is not someone like Ussop or Nami who still have not Haki (what is also really weird btw).
Isn’t that the same if not even worse than to need some special magic or have more magic power?
Haki
I don't see that Oda is better writer at all, there are some good things he can write or are better than Mashimas writing style but in fights he is more garbage, the Alvarez arc fights were terrible but they were still better than most of the OP battles since the Dressrosa arc.
Mashima at least gave side characters like Sherria and Ultear screentime, the battles were longer than the offscreen battles or clash battles we always get in OP and Dimaria was defeated throught the power of a time user (Ultear) and a God Slayer (Sherria).
So this battles made sense and Dimaria had bad luck to fight against them.
Imo this kind of battles are more interessing because side characters who are weaker than the major antagonsist of the arc can still be usefull and can shine without that the enemy is potrayed in a bad way.
Thats like Nami could shine and win against Kalifa and Miss Doublefinger back during the Alabasta and Enies Lobby arcs.
I miss the days, because now Nami, Ussop and many more are absolute useless and don’t even get some battles anymore.
So yeah in a case it makes more fun to read the battles and I enjoy them more. I honestly wish we would have some of these FT battles in OP. I like and prefer more this kind of battles than the OP battles with Haki, Nika/Gear 5 or clash and offscreen battles.
Even if they are not written well too but because we can see other characters, abilities, spells, power ups etc I can enjoy them more than the OP battles.
Imo both writers are not so good anymore how they once were but Mashima at least shows most of the battles and even with side characters and gaves his characters some kind of development and power ups, something I miss in OP especially with the SHP.
But overall both series have good things what I like about them and the reasons why I read them :)
