Speculations Fun Fact: Luffy never once called Lucci by his real name – and it hints significant ramifications

#1
Fun fact: Luffy never even once called Lucci by his name. Not even during their fight in Enies Lobby and not before that. Never!

Luffy always called every one of his main antagonists during their final fights by their real name (Kaido, Doflamingo, Big Mom, Enel, Hody, Moria, etc.).

Most times he screamed them out in a burst of emotional impulsiveness.















And then we have this beautiful panel here:



Up until now Luffy has always referred to Lucci as “pigeon guy” or other names but never even once used `Lucci´. You can look it up if you want.

This detail makes me wonder why Luffy never did it in the first place. Lucci was an enemy and the significance of the fight in Enies Lobby must theoretically have triggered Luffy to scream his name – Like in every other arc and with every other boss so far – it is usually the pinnacle of the story. Why didn’t he?

Unless, the significance of their fight between them back then dims in comparison to an even bigger event that is yet to come in the near future and involves both. And in that event Luffy is going to scream Lucci’s name.



For this, I need to explain a little:

In case you haven’t noticed and have not yet read some of my posts - Shaka and Lucci are depicted by Oda as twin-like counterparts (Both have the same posture [shoving constantly their hands into their pockets], gesticulation, eloquent language and both are very good strategists. Additionally, both have the same strong feeling towards their duty and are ready to make human sacrifices if necessary – read the last chapters if you want and you will find their similarities quite fast – or you can tell me if you need to see proof.) Theoretically you could cut out Lucci’s head and put it on Shaka’s body in any scene and it still would fit perfectly.

This mirroring is also reflected within their names: The name `Shaka` refers to Buddha Shaka Nyorai, who, in Japanese religion, is the personification of the `Good´. And since Shaka and Lucci are twins and need to reflect each other, Lucci’s name needs to refer to a god-like entity of a religious kind as well. And yes – it does perfectly: As a short form for `Lucifer´. That means while Shaka is the personification of `Good´, Lucci or `Lucifer´ is the personification of `Evil´.

At this point I do not want to say that Lucci’s real name is Lucifer, but it is referring to it in quite a good way. And look at how the story progressed:

If Oda is going with the name, than we will have a complete makeover of Lucci as a character: We will not have Lucci the deadly assassin anymore, but Lucifer the sophisticated vampire, since he was bitten by a `vampire´ (or what I would call vampire) and could very well turn into one as well. And I think he will be rocking that role. Alone his hat and the slender form and graceful gesticulation of him are on point. (And if Oda is not going to use the full name `Lucifer´ than we will at least have a Lucci vampire – still rocking.)



So, since Luffy not yet calling out Lucci’s name could be a harbinger of something bigger happening now on Egghead between both of them, we have already massive hints indicating that we will have a Marineford 2.0.

The first obvious hint was Oda bringing up Ace in Wano. He was confronting Luffy with his failure to safe his brother during his execution back then. Looking closer, you can see how Luffy turns sad, when he is reflecting what had happened, as Yamato tells her story with Ace, because he was not strong enough to safe him. He is still blaming himself for everything turning out so badly and we still have this loose strand of storyline waiting to be closed, yet.

Now Oda is finally bringing Ace back up and setting the stage for Luffy’s big chance to safe `his brother´ and finally succeeding.

And look at the situation on Egghead again: It all as of now comes together perfectly. We have two brothers/brother-like figures – Shaka and Lucci, with the latter already bound with seastone through Stussy. An admiral is heading towards Egghead (Indicating a similarity to Akainu, whokilled Ace in the end). Lucci is not obeying commands and acting strangely since coming to Egghead – unlike we knew him back in Water 7 and Enies Lobby.

Also, Shaka still has not taken off that helmet of his and we still don’t know what is under it, yet. Alone that indicates that the face underneath must have features similar to the ones of someone we know from the past, who we are able to recognize. It would fit very well, if it were someone currently on the island and we do see that Shaka behaves/thinks similar/almost identical to Lucci. I definitely can read a certain connection here.



By the way, also on Wano we have this little piece of conversation between Who’s Who and Jinbe:

“I have seen you when you were a warlord.” (Who’s Who)

“What?” (Jinbe)

“Sometimes people completely change their position. So, maybe I used to be on your side.” (Who’s Who)

This is not in the manga, but in the anime. Still, if I were Oda, I would put things and references I haven’t thought of while drawing the manga in the anime, since it comes out later.

And don’t those lines sound strange to you? Coming from a former CP9 agent – who has eaten a cat-cat-fruit and is now working for Kaido? I wonder why the producers under Oda made him say that. And so shortly before we see the actual other cat-cat-fruit user of CP0 now joining the main story line: It is – in my opinion – just a big hint.

Lucci’s allegiance by the way as of now is not clear to me. He is drifting from given orders (destroying the Labo, though they did receive orders to be utmost careful with the inventory), he is fighting Luffy without permission and he is rushing things on Egghead. This doesn’t sound like he is giving much thought to their mission – I wonder just what factor is messing with him that is so important to make his priorities getting messed up? Because as we know from Water 7 and Enies Lobby, his duty comes first for him.


These are my thoughts. Feel free to comment.
 
#12
Not the Vampire Stuff, but i think Lucci still has more to do this Arc
Looking at Previous Sagas or let's count from Start of Manga, there has always been certain Villains who are clearly weaker than Luffy at least but still manage to pose a Threat

It started with Buggy who sent Mohji to finish SHs off
And then we had Mr. 3 who was sent by Crocodile
And then we had Bellamy before Skypiea Arc
And then we had Blueno right at the entrance of Ennies Lobby
And then we had Charloss before Kizaru & Pacifista arrived

And it continues in Post-TS
We had Vergo sent by Doflamingo to Punk Hazard
And Jack sent by Kaidou to Zou
And Cracker sent by Big Mom
And in Act 1 of Wano we had Holdem
And in Act 2 we had Babanuki
... etc

What's common between these Characters is that despite Oda making it clear from the Start that they are not Stronger than Luffy, they still manage to deal a lot of damage which eventually really angers Luffy (Sometimes someone else) & they end up getting One-Shot!

Mohji bullied Chouchou & burned his Store ---> Luffy got really Angry & One-Shot him
Mr. 3 ruined Giants Fight & almost killed all SHs ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him at the end (Same for Mr. 5 in previous Arc)
Bellamy bullied Cricket & his Crew ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him
Charloss almost killed Hatchan ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him

And then we had Vergo who bullied G-5 (But this time Oda chose Law to finish him)
And then we had Jack who also bullied Minks & Oda had Zunisha One-Shot him
And Cracker also got One-Shot
Same for Holdem who bullied Tama or Babanuki who bullied Prisoners or Apoo who got One-Shot by Zoro
We also had Satori, Pearl & many others ... etc

The idea is that Oda loves to introduce these Mini-Villains who are Bullies & get to be faced before the Plot switches to Main Major Villain.
And 99% of the time, Oda lets them pass the limits in bullying until we see someone (Mostly Luffy) get really angry & One-Shot them

And Lucci fits this Category perfectly, he is clearly the Mini-Bully Villain of Final Saga who will be used as Hype Tool before Main Plot starts
However that didn't happen yet, we still didn't have that Overwhelming One-Shot Panel similar to Defeat of Vergo, Jack, Bellamy, Pearl, Satori, Cracker, Holdem, Babanuki, Apoo, Charloss, Mohji ... etc

That means that Lucci will most probably wake up & decide to do something very evil which will greatly anger someone who One-Shots him in a very special Scene (Double-Spread probably). And since you pointed out Luffy never yelled Lucci, then it seems it's Luffy who's gonna do that
 
#18
You totally lost me once you said Lucci will get vampirified.
I do not think Stussy has eaten a devil fruit. From Vegapunk's letter I read that she is actually different than human beings in general and from the very start. And considering her vampire-like apperiance, it must mean that he is talking about her wings and vampire like behavior, which the people are not accepting. If Oda is insuniating here that she is a vampire, I think we should not rule out that she could make other people vampires like herself simply by biting them. She bit Lucci and Kaku and I am very interested if Oda goes through with it.
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Very jnteresting but not sure sure about the Vampire stuff, kinda lost me there not gonna lie.
I hope this above gives you clarification what I meant.
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wow what can i do with this useless information? :finally::queenhear:
Why were you reading it then? :myman:
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Not the Vampire Stuff, but i think Lucci still has more to do this Arc
Looking at Previous Sagas or let's count from Start of Manga, there has always been certain Villains who are clearly weaker than Luffy at least but still manage to pose a Threat

It started with Buggy who sent Mohji to finish SHs off
And then we had Mr. 3 who was sent by Crocodile
And then we had Bellamy before Skypiea Arc
And then we had Blueno right at the entrance of Ennies Lobby
And then we had Charloss before Kizaru & Pacifista arrived

And it continues in Post-TS
We had Vergo sent by Doflamingo to Punk Hazard
And Jack sent by Kaidou to Zou
And Cracker sent by Big Mom
And in Act 1 of Wano we had Holdem
And in Act 2 we had Babanuki
... etc

What's common between these Characters is that despite Oda making it clear from the Start that they are not Stronger than Luffy, they still manage to deal a lot of damage which eventually really angers Luffy (Sometimes someone else) & they end up getting One-Shot!

Mohji bullied Chouchou & burned his Store ---> Luffy got really Angry & One-Shot him
Mr. 3 ruined Giants Fight & almost killed all SHs ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him at the end (Same for Mr. 5 in previous Arc)
Bellamy bullied Cricket & his Crew ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him
Charloss almost killed Hatchan ---> Luffy got pissed off & One-Shot him

And then we had Vergo who bullied G-5 (But this time Oda chose Law to finish him)
And then we had Jack who also bullied Minks & Oda had Zunisha One-Shot him
And Cracker also got One-Shot
Same for Holdem who bullied Tama or Babanuki who bullied Prisoners or Apoo who got One-Shot by Zoro
We also had Satori, Pearl & many others ... etc

The idea is that Oda loves to introduce these Mini-Villains who are Bullies & get to be faced before the Plot switches to Main Major Villain.
And 99% of the time, Oda lets them pass the limits in bullying until we see someone (Mostly Luffy) get really angry & One-Shot them

And Lucci fits this Category perfectly, he is clearly the Mini-Bully Villain of Final Saga who will be used as Hype Tool before Main Plot starts
However that didn't happen yet, we still didn't have that Overwhelming One-Shot Panel similar to Defeat of Vergo, Jack, Bellamy, Pearl, Satori, Cracker, Holdem, Babanuki, Apoo, Charloss, Mohji ... etc

That means that Lucci will most probably wake up & decide to do something very evil which will greatly anger someone who One-Shots him in a very special Scene (Double-Spread probably). And since you pointed out Luffy never yelled Lucci, then it seems it's Luffy who's gonna do that
I like your train of thougths.

What do you think will happen in the next chapter on Egghead?
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The other thread, I was curious about why Lucci would be depicted as "Lucifer", now it makes sense after reading this thread.

As for Lucci being a "vampire", not sure tbh.
You being curious about what I write makes me happy, thank you. Best compliment I can get.
 
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#19
Fun fact: Luffy never even once called Lucci by his name. Not even during their fight in Enies Lobby and not before that. Never!

Luffy always called every one of his main antagonists during their final fights by their real name (Kaido, Doflamingo, Big Mom, Enel, Hody, Moria, etc.).

Most times he screamed them out in a burst of emotional impulsiveness.















And then we have this beautiful panel here:



Up until now Luffy has always referred to Lucci as “pigeon guy” or other names but never even once used `Lucci´. You can look it up if you want.

This detail makes me wonder why Luffy never did it in the first place. Lucci was an enemy and the significance of the fight in Enies Lobby must theoretically have triggered Luffy to scream his name – Like in every other arc and with every other boss so far – it is usually the pinnacle of the story. Why didn’t he?

Unless, the significance of their fight between them back then dims in comparison to an even bigger event that is yet to come in the near future and involves both. And in that event Luffy is going to scream Lucci’s name.



For this, I need to explain a little:

In case you haven’t noticed and have not yet read some of my posts - Shaka and Lucci are depicted by Oda as twin-like counterparts (Both have the same posture [shoving constantly their hands into their pockets], gesticulation, eloquent language and both are very good strategists. Additionally, both have the same strong feeling towards their duty and are ready to make human sacrifices if necessary – read the last chapters if you want and you will find their similarities quite fast – or you can tell me if you need to see proof.) Theoretically you could cut out Lucci’s head and put it on Shaka’s body in any scene and it still would fit perfectly.

This mirroring is also reflected within their names: The name `Shaka` refers to Buddha Shaka Nyorai, who, in Japanese religion, is the personification of the `Good´. And since Shaka and Lucci are twins and need to reflect each other, Lucci’s name needs to refer to a god-like entity of a religious kind as well. And yes – it does perfectly: As a short form for `Lucifer´. That means while Shaka is the personification of `Good´, Lucci or `Lucifer´ is the personification of `Evil´.

At this point I do not want to say that Lucci’s real name is Lucifer, but it is referring to it in quite a good way. And look at how the story progressed:

If Oda is going with the name, than we will have a complete makeover of Lucci as a character: We will not have Lucci the deadly assassin anymore, but Lucifer the sophisticated vampire, since he was bitten by a `vampire´ (or what I would call vampire) and could very well turn into one as well. And I think he will be rocking that role. Alone his hat and the slender form and graceful gesticulation of him are on point. (And if Oda is not going to use the full name `Lucifer´ than we will at least have a Lucci vampire – still rocking.)



So, since Luffy not yet calling out Lucci’s name could be a harbinger of something bigger happening now on Egghead between both of them, we have already massive hints indicating that we will have a Marineford 2.0.

The first obvious hint was Oda bringing up Ace in Wano. He was confronting Luffy with his failure to safe his brother during his execution back then. Looking closer, you can see how Luffy turns sad, when he is reflecting what had happened, as Yamato tells her story with Ace, because he was not strong enough to safe him. He is still blaming himself for everything turning out so badly and we still have this loose strand of storyline waiting to be closed, yet.

Now Oda is finally bringing Ace back up and setting the stage for Luffy’s big chance to safe `his brother´ and finally succeeding.

And look at the situation on Egghead again: It all as of now comes together perfectly. We have two brothers/brother-like figures – Shaka and Lucci, with the latter already bound with seastone through Stussy. An admiral is heading towards Egghead (Indicating a similarity to Akainu, whokilled Ace in the end). Lucci is not obeying commands and acting strangely since coming to Egghead – unlike we knew him back in Water 7 and Enies Lobby.

Also, Shaka still has not taken off that helmet of his and we still don’t know what is under it, yet. Alone that indicates that the face underneath must have features similar to the ones of someone we know from the past, who we are able to recognize. It would fit very well, if it were someone currently on the island and we do see that Shaka behaves/thinks similar/almost identical to Lucci. I definitely can read a certain connection here.



By the way, also on Wano we have this little piece of conversation between Who’s Who and Jinbe:

“I have seen you when you were a warlord.” (Who’s Who)

“What?” (Jinbe)

“Sometimes people completely change their position. So, maybe I used to be on your side.” (Who’s Who)

This is not in the manga, but in the anime. Still, if I were Oda, I would put things and references I haven’t thought of while drawing the manga in the anime, since it comes out later.

And don’t those lines sound strange to you? Coming from a former CP9 agent – who has eaten a cat-cat-fruit and is now working for Kaido? I wonder why the producers under Oda made him say that. And so shortly before we see the actual other cat-cat-fruit user of CP0 now joining the main story line: It is – in my opinion – just a big hint.

Lucci’s allegiance by the way as of now is not clear to me. He is drifting from given orders (destroying the Labo, though they did receive orders to be utmost careful with the inventory), he is fighting Luffy without permission and he is rushing things on Egghead. This doesn’t sound like he is giving much thought to their mission – I wonder just what factor is messing with him that is so important to make his priorities getting messed up? Because as we know from Water 7 and Enies Lobby, his duty comes first for him.


These are my thoughts. Feel free to comment.
Lucci and kaku will be ceasar clown 2.0 in sunny. Both will become a punching bag in entire journey
 
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