God of war lore scaling is so stupid

[Bob74h]

No other series has people literally argue you should use mythology as apart of the series
But gow fans yep, That's their main thing as the actual series has little good feats or statements so they just use the bloody mythology which does not even involve the same continuity

Like in gow
Loki is half greek god something clearly never in the myths


And in the god of war series
fenrir is loki's pet and not his son also his soul takes over garm's body

Also the sun and moon wolves, they are an entirely unrelated duo to fenrir in gow when in the myths those are fenrir's kids




And point being with naming these differences from the mythology
you cant scale the myths and use it as evidence for the gow series cause it's not the same continuity

No other fanbase does this, Bringing up the myths as evidence for the series proper
not thor from marvel comics
heracles from disney
achilies from fate
sutur from assassin's creed

And another thing too
It being an adaptation means you can use the use the original source, Is literally not an argument unless you think people use journey to the west for dragon ball or even better use the mcu as evidence for god of war afterall the original source for a thor came from there

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

No other series has people literally argue you should use mythology as apart of the series

You seem to misunderstand what people are arguing

They arent talking about real world lore. They are talking about in game lore

For example in the real world lore, The word serpent kills Thor as Thor kills it, so they are considered equals

In God of War Lore, Thor fights the world serpent AND BEATS IT SO HARD THAT IT TRAVELS THROUGH TIME.

That last statement is the big deal. In the Lore of God of war, Thor only manages this because his attacks are so strong that they break a part ot the world tree which is the same as breaking reality

And in the Lore of God of War, Freya herself stated that EVERY SINGLE STRAND of the World Tree IS BEYOND TIME AND SPACE. All the 9 realms are found om the branches of the world tree. As in each realm is a whole universe and yet each universe can fit on just a single branch of the World Tree

So by Lore of God of war, Thor’s strike that broke a part of the World Tree can break an object beyond time and space on which entire universes sit

I have repeated “Lore of God of war” to make sure you understand that all this is specific to the games only. Not real world Norse Mythology

People who argue about using Lore to scale Kratos are talking about the actual Lore of the games. Thats what certain people dont want to even argue about such as @Steven

Yet games like Dark Souls, Skyrim, Devil May Cry use Lore scaling like the above when scaling

And if you havent noticed, using the above scaling, Kratos is in fact universal for beating Thor who can break Universal + objects

 

[Rottkins]

@Indigo

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

God of War characters are actually very consistently massively ftl in speed and anywhere from continental to multi-versal in power.

Even in the new games, this is the case.

You have Odin creating all the realms other than Niflheim and Musphelheim according to Mimir.

The valkyries are so fast that they can be almost everywhere at once according to Mimir.

Kraros can seal realm tears, distortions in space time, with his raw physical strength.

Gaarm literally erased the 5th season between winter and spring and removed multiple concepts (like what comes after hunger) from existence.

All of that is IN GAME lore.

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No other series has people literally argue you should use mythology as apart of the series
But gow fans yep, That's their main thing as the actual series has little good feats or statements so they just use the bloody mythology which does not even involve the same continuity

Like in gow
Loki is half greek god something clearly never in the myths


And in the god of war series
fenrir is loki's pet and not his son also his soul takes over garm's body

Also the sun and moon wolves, they are an entirely unrelated duo to fenrir in gow when in the myths those are fenrir's kids




And point being with naming these differences from the mythology
you cant scale the myths and use it as evidence for the gow series cause it's not the same continuity

No other fanbase does this, Bringing up the myths as evidence for the series proper
not thor from marvel comics
heracles from disney
achilies from fate
sutur from assassin's creed

And another thing too
It being an adaptation means you can use the use the original source, Is literally not an argument unless you think people use journey to the west for dragon ball or even better use the mcu as evidence for god of war afterall the original source for a thor came from there

The lore is from the games lol. People aren’t scaling with mythology.

You literally have Mimir telling Kratos point blank that Valkyries are fast enough to find basically all souls in all of the realms at the moment of death. Or that Odin created 7/9 realms. That’s all stated IN THE GAME.

 

[Bob74h]

That last statement is the big deal. In the Lore of God of war, Thor only manages this because his attacks are so strong that they break a part ot the world tree which is the same as breaking reality

Opening holes in reality to teleport,move or to attack is not
Is not universe lv

If we follow that logic
grande menos is universe lv afterall it ripped apart reality to enter the human world

And in the Lore of God of War, Freya herself stated that EVERY SINGLE STRAND of the World Tree IS BEYOND TIME AND SPACE.

Like a tree branch stretching out to infinity

The like part, Indicates that it's said in figurative context not literal one


Dont know why, your using figurative out of context statements as a argument

and even then
bruno, someone who works on the games seems to think such a thing happened

Meaning sending back jourmandr back in time didt break the world tree

The lore is from the games lol. People aren’t scaling with mythology.

No people literally do that
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/maulsmacker/forums/?page=3

You have people directly scaling characters to the myths


As if their the same thing




Lore scaling, Is literally just scaling god of war to the mythology itself

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Opening holes in reality to teleport,move or to attack is not
Is not universe lv

If we follow that logic
grande menos is universe lv afterall it ripped apart reality to enter the human world





Like a tree branch stretching out to infinity

The like part, Indicates that it's said in figurative context not literal one


Dont know why, your using figurative out of context statements as a argument

and even then
bruno, someone who works on the games seems to think such a thing happened

Meaning sending back jourmandr back in time didt break the world tree







No people literally do that
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/maulsmacker/forums/?page=3

You have people directly scaling characters to the myths


As if their the same thing




Lore scaling, Is literally just scaling god of war to the mythology itself

Well no, the god of war novel literally says the sky is infinite while talking about Atlas.

I think you’re getting confused by the fact that there is overlap between real lore and GoW lore (obviously).

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Also @Bob74h , in the Ragnarok game itself, Kratos tells Mimir that the sisters of fate “held power over all life and time. They threatened to undue my existence.”

And Odin creating 7 out of the 9 realms is literally one of Mimir’s stories. And in the old games you have Zeus creating dimensions and what not.

Like the universal scaling for GoW is pretty consistent.

 

[Bob74h]

I think you’re getting confused by the fact that there is overlap between real lore and GoW lore (obviously).

Ofc there is overlap
Im not doubting that

It's based on greek and norse mythology of course so such things happen
but gow takes alot of liberties with the characters and plots which is why it's a different continuity

but, there's people who literally scale the mythology when scaling gow
As proven

In gow, heracles never lifted the world in the place of altas for a bit
that's something only in the myths yet people use that mythological feat as a feat for gow heracles same heracles who never slayed the hydra as kratos did that in gow1 unless your going to say the hydra died twice?

Also @Bob74h , in the Ragnarok game itself, Kratos tells Mimir that the sisters of fate “held power over all life and time. They threatened to undue my existence.”

And Odin creating 7 out of the 9 realms is literally one of Mimir’s stories. And in the old games you have Zeus creating dimensions and what not.

Can you show me both statements

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's just a game mate.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Ofc there is overlap
Im not doubting that

It's based on greek and norse mythology of course so such things happen
but gow takes alot of liberties with the characters and plots which is why it's a different continuity





Can you show me both statements

Sisters of fate controlling all of life and time:

Here’s Gaarm being able to erase things on a conceptual level:

Odin creating 7 realms is one of Mimir’s stories and he tells it once in 2018 and Ragnarok.

I’ll watch through it and find the specific clip later, but it’s definitely there.

 

[Bob74h]

This is literal copium
to say lore scaling means gow lore

No it literally means using the irl lore
As evidenced by various threads of people scaling with mythological specific instances

First person on this thread
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/gow-helios-vs-hercules-2284235/


Did exactly that
Scaling god of war with the greek mythology

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

This is literal copium
to say lore scaling means gow lore

No it literally means using the irl lore
As evidenced by various threads of people scaling with mythological specific instances

First person on this thread
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/gow-helios-vs-hercules-2284235/


Did exactly that
Scaling god of war with the greek mythology

Bob I get the impression that you’re just coping and trying to deny like blatantly obvious higher end feats.

 

[Bob74h]

Sisters of fate controlling all of life and time:

Here’s Gaarm being able to erase things on a conceptual level:

Odin creating 7 realms is one of Mimir’s stories and he tells it once in 2018 and Ragnarok.

I’ll watch through it and find the specific clip later, but it’s definitely there.

Garm didt erase it per se
he just ate it

Somehow ate the fifth season
Maybe the erasing concepts thing is just an ability not like a measurement of his strength afterall why would he only be able to eat couple mountain ranges if he's universe lv.

and btw he was just a pup at this point
not like it's a good measurement of his power

Heimdall seems to suggest this with his tear holes between realms line
like he has reality manipulation

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Bob I get the impression that you’re just coping and trying to deny like blatantly obvious higher end feats.

Im denying those higher end feats
yes


But it's not because they are higher end
it's because, they are from the mythology not the actual god of war series

Altas can lift the world
I wont deny that

But, I will deny that cronos scales to ouranos as unlike the myths
that just aint true

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Garm didt erase it per se
he just ate it

Somehow ate the fifth season
Maybe the erasing concepts thing is just an ability not like a measurement of his strength afterall why would he only be able to eat couple mountain ranges if he's universe lv.

and btw he was just a pup at this point
not like it's a good measurement of his power

Heimdall seems to suggest this with his tear holes between realms line
like he has reality manipulation

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Im denying those higher end feats
yes


But it's not because they are higher end
it's because, they are from the mythology not the actual god of war series

Altas can lift the world
I wont deny that

But, I will deny that cronos scales to ouranos as unlike the myths
that just aint true

The Ouranos stuff isn’t mythology it’s literally in the opening cutscene of Ascension:

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Also @Bob74h Chronos defeating Ouranos is in the canon comics.

 

[Bob74h]

The Ouranos stuff isn’t mythology it’s literally in the opening cutscene of Ascension:

It's not ouranos himself
it's his relation to cronos

I said this before
but as you cited, ascension's opening shows the primordials killing each other to create the universe and the beings that inhabit it


I heard alot of people say cronos scales to ouranos
When that just aint true

In the myths yra
but in gow, cronos very specifically told kratos he never killed his kin and it's not only that but the fact we see the primidials all kill each other in that opening

Meaning ouranos was dead by matters outside of cronos affecting him.

Btw that opening is a great example of high end feats
we see one primordials punch a universe out of the other

only problem, It does not scale to anyone outside of the primordials

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It's not ouranos himself
it's his relation to cronos

I said this before
but as you cited, ascension's opening shows the primordials killing each other to create the universe and the beings that inhabit it


I heard alot of people say cronos scales to ouranos
When that just aint true

In the myths yra
but in gow, cronos very specifically told kratos he never killed his kin and it's not only that but the fact we see the primidials all kill each other in that opening

Meaning ouranos was dead by matters outside of cronos affecting him.

Btw that opening is a great example of high end feats
we see one primordials punch a universe out of the other

only problem, It does not scale to anyone outside of the primordials

You do realize Gaia is a primordial?

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@Bob74h Not only is Gaia stated to be one of the primordials in the war that created the universe (multiple times in fact), but we also see her get folded easily by Olympians like Poseidon in game.

http://imgur.com/a/MMZr6gv

So either you have to say Gaia lost power (complete headcanon and not supported by anything) or just man up and accept the facts.

 

[Bob74h]

You do realize Gaia is a primordial?

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@Bob74h Not only is Gaia stated to be on of the primordial in the war that created the universe, but we also see her get folded easily by Olympians like Poseidon in game.

http://imgur.com/a/MMZr6gv

So either you have to say Gaia lost power (complete headcanon and not supported by anything) or just man up and accept the facts.

In the games?
She's just a another titan

Unless there is some thing
im missing


It's a clear cut case of her belonging to the titans not the primordials

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

In the games?
She's just a another titan

Unless there is some thing
im missing


It's a clear cut case of her belonging to the titans not the primordials

Gaia is stated to have been one of the primordials in God of War 2. It’s also double’d down on in the novels and comics.

If anything the statement of her being a titan just further cements scaling the titans to the primordials.

 

[Bob74h]

Gaia is stated to have been one of the primordials in God of War 2

could you show that statement?

Also @Bob74h Chronos defeating Ouranos is in the canon comics.

So he died twice?
Once in the promidial war and again versus cronos?


Did you see the ascension opening
clearly he died during events far prior to cronos's creation


The comic is clearly contradictory to what is set up, he cant die twice afterall


Not even sure of the comic so could you send it??

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

could you show that statement?




So he died twice?
Once in the promidial war and again versus cronos?


Did you see the ascension opening
clearly he died during events far prior to cronos's creation


The comic is clearly contradictory to what is set up, he cant die twice afterall


Not even sure of the comic so could you send it??

Also, before I pull it up (I think this will be enough to convince you) a major theme of God of War is parents killing their children (Zeus says “the cycle ends here” when killing Kratos, Kratos says “the cycle ends here” when killing Baldur to stop him from killing Freya).

If you only have one instance of patricide (Zeus killing Chronos) then there is no cycle and make it’s no sense to say that.

Anyway, I’ll pull up panels just to make this an even bigger clown fiesta.

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@Bob74h I got it wrong, the comic says that Ouranos created the universe, not that Kronos overthrew him.

HOWEVER there are multiple quotes from Cory Barlog (the writer) in the commentary of the game that Ouranos was killed by Chronos.

http://imgur.com/a/J9HTye2

Also btw, here’s Cory literally saying GoW characters scale beyond space and time:

http://imgur.com/a/ODJISi2

But this really shouldn’t be a big surprise given that most olympians have better portrayal than the sisters of fate.

 

[Bob74h]

Also, before I pull it up (I think this will be enough to convince you) a major theme of God of War is parents killing their children (Zeus says “the cycle ends here” when killing Kratos, Kratos says “the cycle ends here” when killing Baldur to stop him from killing Freya).

If you only have one instance of patricide (Zeus killing Chronos) then there is no cycle and make it’s no sense to say that.

Does a cycle necessitate there being three instances? Of sons overthrowing fathers

and even then
This cycle, Is just familial violence

Atreus brings up such examples as sons killing their mothers ie baldur and their fathers, being kratos

So the cycle is just family violence

It's not patricide
that's kinda the name, the wiki gave and if that was the case, it's sons killing their dads then why does baldur killing his mom count as apart of a cycle of patricide wouldt that be matricide?

It's always just called. the cycle in the games

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-zfu1pqQl7s

And another thing too
You say zeus killed his dad but he's still clearly alive by the events of gow 1 and 3

Zeus only punished him with holding pandora's temple on his back with the sand to slowly eat away at his skin

@Bob74h I got it wrong, the comic says that Ouranos created the universe, not that Kronos overthrew him.

I agree with the creating the universe thing
We see that in ascension, with the one primdial punching the literal universe out of the another

HOWEVER there are multiple quotes from Cory Barlog (the writer) in the commentary of the game that Ouranos was killed by Chronos.

I see that quote
my only problem being

As said before
dont we see him die in the intro to ascension?

Plus this is a side commentary which might not even apply anymore

t most olympians have better portrayal than the sisters of fate.

There is no power greater then the sisters of fate

idk they seem to be portrayed above the olympians

and thanatos
even says the sisters of fate make things so, implying that without the sisters, The gods are unable to control

Which could just be an ability thing but considering how the sisters speak of themselves likely not