Current Events Gold Roger Is Not Special And 1156 Was Horrible For Him
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Im genuinely baffled that people are shocked that Roger is a goofy goober?? There have been a couple times the the manga where people state that Luffy reminds them of Roger.
Hell, up until Wano, Roger didn't even have a character (Personality wise) established. So I wouldnt say his seriousness dwindled. We havent seen much if his serious moments yet, besides these few moments which show exactly why Luffy reminds people of Roger lol.
Hell, up until Wano, Roger didn't even have a character (Personality wise) established. So I wouldnt say his seriousness dwindled. We havent seen much if his serious moments yet, besides these few moments which show exactly why Luffy reminds people of Roger lol.
As I said it's more about the balance.
You can have a character who's goofy but also menacing. Roger could easily have been one of those and probably will be when all is said and done.
The issue is that we've mostly seen only the comical side and less of the badass one so far. It's like if we were introduced to PK Luffy and 70% of his screentime was just gags and Nami abusing him.
Roger being like Luffy also doesn't necessarily mean they have to be 1:1 in every regard.
Roger could easily have shared his ideals and mindset whilst having a more unique personality.
Xebec compared to BB is a great example of this. They are obviously very similar but Xebec is still distinct with different methods and style.
I'll finish up by saying that Xebec in general is what most Roger detractors want him to be more like - a similar but distinct predecessor who earned his hype/reputation.
You can have a character who's goofy but also menacing. Roger could easily have been one of those and probably will be when all is said and done.
The issue is that we've mostly seen only the comical side and less of the badass one so far. It's like if we were introduced to PK Luffy and 70% of his screentime was just gags and Nami abusing him.
Roger being like Luffy also doesn't necessarily mean they have to be 1:1 in every regard.
Roger could easily have shared his ideals and mindset whilst having a more unique personality.
Xebec compared to BB is a great example of this. They are obviously very similar but Xebec is still distinct with different methods and style.
I'll finish up by saying that Xebec in general is what most Roger detractors want him to be more like - a similar but distinct predecessor who earned his hype/reputation.
Yeah but in Davy back you have to be willing to lose your crew.
Luffy did it put of stupidity against the sly god of foxes and speed Foxy.
Roger to me looks like a pirate who loves his crew and he wouldn't be willing to risk it
People that judge "aura", "presence" or other bullshit like this are, with almost no exeption:
Oda showing a jovial and non-serious Roger is perfectly in line with Chapter 1 Shanks and Luffy, the edge Lords can go kick rocks and go watch some other battle manga and make tik toks about "aura".
Luffy did it put of stupidity against the sly god of foxes and speed Foxy.
Roger to me looks like a pirate who loves his crew and he wouldn't be willing to risk it
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People that judge "aura", "presence" or other bullshit like this are, with almost no exeption:
- Edgelords that care about Coldsteel characters doing dark faces
- Naruto tourists that care only about cool fights
- Children
Oda showing a jovial and non-serious Roger is perfectly in line with Chapter 1 Shanks and Luffy, the edge Lords can go kick rocks and go watch some other battle manga and make tik toks about "aura".
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I dont see how Roger being goofy as a young man trashes his portrayal
Thats just Odas lazy ass writing
Indeed, Oda shouldnt retcon as much with Roger as he is doing. Roger shouldnt be some Luffy alike character, he should be unique in his own way, and im not talking power-wise
I always thought his final voyage was something to redeem him from past sins as well, but this Nika bs seems to be the main theme in the manga, so every character needs to be in touch with that shit, including Roger
Thats just Odas lazy ass writing
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Good point ngl.
I think it's because he wants Roger to be inline with the Nika stuff, and early Roger's more bloodthirsty nature doesn't with Nika Luffy being a Liberator.
So he's been gradually toning down Roger since Wano to be goofier.
Like look at this man's animal motif compared to Shanks lmao
It's a shame because IMO Roger's Wano FB and journey could have been like a redemption voyage, with him attempting to atone for his past violence by making a better world for his son or something.
I think it's because he wants Roger to be inline with the Nika stuff, and early Roger's more bloodthirsty nature doesn't with Nika Luffy being a Liberator.
So he's been gradually toning down Roger since Wano to be goofier.
Like look at this man's animal motif compared to Shanks lmao
It's a shame because IMO Roger's Wano FB and journey could have been like a redemption voyage, with him attempting to atone for his past violence by making a better world for his son or something.
I always thought his final voyage was something to redeem him from past sins as well, but this Nika bs seems to be the main theme in the manga, so every character needs to be in touch with that shit, including Roger
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Ive read the entire post, but ill just quote this because the entire post didnt quote for whatever reason:
True, but even on that front they are already very different.
>Roger lusts over women and is willing to go out of his way to steal them for himself. Luffy does not.
>Roger pillages for treasure. Luffy himself is not interested in that. That's more Nami.
> Roger fights for the thrill of the fight. He wanted to fight Oden, a rare moment for him to fight a samurai from Wano, and ran ahead of Ray and Gaban to get first dibs. Then proceeded to fight for fun for 5 days with WB pirates lol. Luffy doesn't really fight for the thrill, but he has his moments.
>He's more willing to kill on a whole than Luffy is.
>Is a swordsman.
They share simularities, but are still two different people.
I find that Garp passes more for an older Luffy than Roger does.
But all that I am saying is, that Roger being a goofy man doesn't and shouldnt come as a surprise. And saying he's entirely like Luffy also isn't true either. Let's not pretend Roger isn't still a unique character. Sounds like you personally wouldve just preffered him to be a tad more serious.
Freedom is the main theme of this manga and Roger was 100% the freest man of that era. So he was most likely a Nika candidate ong lol
I actually agree. And example of this is Roger vs WB in the Oden flashback. He was not pressed about anything and was casually throwing around his Supreme King's Haki like nothing lol
True, but even on that front they are already very different.
>Roger lusts over women and is willing to go out of his way to steal them for himself. Luffy does not.
>Roger pillages for treasure. Luffy himself is not interested in that. That's more Nami.
> Roger fights for the thrill of the fight. He wanted to fight Oden, a rare moment for him to fight a samurai from Wano, and ran ahead of Ray and Gaban to get first dibs. Then proceeded to fight for fun for 5 days with WB pirates lol. Luffy doesn't really fight for the thrill, but he has his moments.
>He's more willing to kill on a whole than Luffy is.
>Is a swordsman.
They share simularities, but are still two different people.
I find that Garp passes more for an older Luffy than Roger does.
But all that I am saying is, that Roger being a goofy man doesn't and shouldnt come as a surprise. And saying he's entirely like Luffy also isn't true either. Let's not pretend Roger isn't still a unique character. Sounds like you personally wouldve just preffered him to be a tad more serious.
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Freedom is the main theme of this manga and Roger was 100% the freest man of that era. So he was most likely a Nika candidate ong lol
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I actually agree. And example of this is Roger vs WB in the Oden flashback. He was not pressed about anything and was casually throwing around his Supreme King's Haki like nothing lol
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Good points. I think the matter of Roger being more of a greedy blood knight should have been lampshaded a bit more in canon but I think it's fair of you to mention those as valid differences.
Fighting style will probably be elaborated on in time, hopefully.
His womanizing...I actually think it's a nice touch, but him getting the Sanji treatment is what bothered me the most tbh.
And I guess that brings me to your last point...
Honestly I'll acknowledge my own biases and say you're right, I would have preferred him to be a bit more serious.
In general I've always hated when certain characters get treated as comic relief, especially if they were serious before and especially if they're frequently the butt of the joke.
Roger actually used to be my fave back in the day, and I think I'd have kept liking him if he was treated in a similar way to, say, Shanks or WB.
And I guess the latest chapter just rubbed me the wrong way in that regard lol. Like you've got Xebec slaying Admirals and slapping around future Yonko, but then there's this goofball getting laid out by his own desperation to get laid.
Ofc I'm sure he'll look great in the future, he's Luffy's primary goal after all, but atm we haven't quite seen the man's best.
Fighting style will probably be elaborated on in time, hopefully.
His womanizing...I actually think it's a nice touch, but him getting the Sanji treatment is what bothered me the most tbh.
And I guess that brings me to your last point...
Honestly I'll acknowledge my own biases and say you're right, I would have preferred him to be a bit more serious.
In general I've always hated when certain characters get treated as comic relief, especially if they were serious before and especially if they're frequently the butt of the joke.
Roger actually used to be my fave back in the day, and I think I'd have kept liking him if he was treated in a similar way to, say, Shanks or WB.
And I guess the latest chapter just rubbed me the wrong way in that regard lol. Like you've got Xebec slaying Admirals and slapping around future Yonko, but then there's this goofball getting laid out by his own desperation to get laid.
Ofc I'm sure he'll look great in the future, he's Luffy's primary goal after all, but atm we haven't quite seen the man's best.
