Current Events Gold Roger Is Not Special And 1156 Was Horrible For Him
- Thread starter Elder Lee Hung
- Start date
Honestly the problem with Roger isn't his lack of "aura" or him having comedic moments.
It's the fact that there's no balance between the two.
This entire chapter for instance was a humiliation conga for the guy. He gets clapped, gets rejected and then apparently gets clapped again.
And the issue is that there isn't much else to make up for it as of now. Clashing with Primebeard is legit the only really impressive thing this much hyped character has done so far.
Since Wano this guy's seriousness has also felt like it's dwindled. There's a reason people complain he's Luffy-fied now. He feels more goofy, more comical - not in a way that improves his character by making him more human, at least IMO.
And that's bad, because early Roger felt way more impactful. This was a man who slew nations in the name of an insult to his friends. The strongest Yonko of them all and the mightiest Marine both earned their reputations simply by going toe to toe with him.
He may have had common traits with Luffy or Shanks, but he felt like he had a darker side, like he could have shared Luffy's attitudes while being a more grim person overall, with his own unique nature.
That's the issue with Roger. He was this giant shadow everyone in the story seemed to live under, but his portrayal doesn't justify it so far. After seeing Luffy Roger just seems like his Beta version instead of something different.
And look, I get hating Tiktok verbiage ("aura farming") as much as anyone else, but sometimes you legit gotta treat characters with more respect.
I mean Roger's not the only one who's had this sillyfication happen to him. Goku in DBS, Ben 10 in Omniverse...hell, you know Kengan Omega? The one with the funny face that everyone did Mihawk edits on?
This was one of its main villains in Ashura and earlier Omega:
This is him now, after his first onscreen fight:
And ofc people were justifying this pointing out how he was acting this way before one of the strongest characters in the serious, and another who was pretty deadly. Which is fair.
But the fact of the matter is, this guy was hyped to hell, even he was a conniver foremost, he was still a terrifying and significant foe. He didn't get enough respect before he started losing.
And that's the Roger problem in a nutshell. You can't give us a character like this who was so important to the story, especially in terms of his power and influence, and then just clown on him more often than he's hyped.
Balancing it out a bit is needed. There's characters in OP who've got comedic moments while still being menacing (Zoro, Garp, Kaido etc) and others who are just serious in general (WB, Akainu, Mihawk etc). Why can't Roger work when those do?
It's the fact that there's no balance between the two.
This entire chapter for instance was a humiliation conga for the guy. He gets clapped, gets rejected and then apparently gets clapped again.
And the issue is that there isn't much else to make up for it as of now. Clashing with Primebeard is legit the only really impressive thing this much hyped character has done so far.
Since Wano this guy's seriousness has also felt like it's dwindled. There's a reason people complain he's Luffy-fied now. He feels more goofy, more comical - not in a way that improves his character by making him more human, at least IMO.
And that's bad, because early Roger felt way more impactful. This was a man who slew nations in the name of an insult to his friends. The strongest Yonko of them all and the mightiest Marine both earned their reputations simply by going toe to toe with him.
He may have had common traits with Luffy or Shanks, but he felt like he had a darker side, like he could have shared Luffy's attitudes while being a more grim person overall, with his own unique nature.
That's the issue with Roger. He was this giant shadow everyone in the story seemed to live under, but his portrayal doesn't justify it so far. After seeing Luffy Roger just seems like his Beta version instead of something different.
And look, I get hating Tiktok verbiage ("aura farming") as much as anyone else, but sometimes you legit gotta treat characters with more respect.
I mean Roger's not the only one who's had this sillyfication happen to him. Goku in DBS, Ben 10 in Omniverse...hell, you know Kengan Omega? The one with the funny face that everyone did Mihawk edits on?
This was one of its main villains in Ashura and earlier Omega:
This is him now, after his first onscreen fight:
And ofc people were justifying this pointing out how he was acting this way before one of the strongest characters in the serious, and another who was pretty deadly. Which is fair.
But the fact of the matter is, this guy was hyped to hell, even he was a conniver foremost, he was still a terrifying and significant foe. He didn't get enough respect before he started losing.
And that's the Roger problem in a nutshell. You can't give us a character like this who was so important to the story, especially in terms of his power and influence, and then just clown on him more often than he's hyped.
Balancing it out a bit is needed. There's characters in OP who've got comedic moments while still being menacing (Zoro, Garp, Kaido etc) and others who are just serious in general (WB, Akainu, Mihawk etc). Why can't Roger work when those do?
Last edited:
Honestly the problem with Roger isn't his lack of "aura" or him having comedic moments.
It's the fact that there's no balance between the two.
This entire chapter for instance was a humiliation conga for the guy. He gets clapped, gets rejected and then apparently gets clapped again.
And the issue is that there isn't much else to make up for it as of now. Clashing with Primebeard is legit the only really impressive thing this much hyped character has done so far.
Since Wano this guy's seriousness has also felt like it's dwindled. There's a reason people complain he's Luffy-fied now. He feels more goofy, more comical - not in a way that improves his character by making him more human, at least IMO.
And that's bad, because early Roger felt way more impactful. This was a man who slew nations in the name of an insult to his friends. The strongest Yonko of them all and the mightiest Marine both earned their reputations simply by going toe to toe with him.
He may have had common traits with Luffy or Shanks, but he felt like he had a darker side, like he could have shared Luffy's attitudes while being a more grim person overall, with his own unique nature.
That's the issue with Roger. He was this giant shadow everyone in the story seemed to live under, but his portrayal doesn't justify it so far. After seeing Luffy Roger just seems like his Beta version instead of something different.
And look, I get hating Tiktok verbiage ("aura farming") as much as anyone else, but sometimes you legit gotta treat characters with more respect.
I mean Roger's not the only one who's had this sillyfication happen to him. Goku in DBS, Ben 10 in Omniverse...hell, you know Kengan Omega? The one with the funny face that everyone did Mihawk edits on?
This was one of its main villains in Ashura and earlier Omega:
This is him now, after his first onscreen fight:
And ofc people were justifying this pointing out how he was acting this way before one of the strongest characters in the serious, and another who was pretty deadly. Which is fair.
But the fact of the matter is, this guy was hyped to hell, even he was a conniver foremost, he was still a terrifying and significant foe. He didn't get enough respect before he started losing.
And that's the Roger problem in a nutshell. You can't give us a character like this who was so important to the story, especially in terms of his power and influence, and then just clown on him more often than he's hyped.
Balancing it out a bit is needed. There's characters in OP who've got comedic moments while still being menacing (Zoro, Garp, Kaido etc) and others who are just serious in general (WB, Akainu, Mihawk etc). Why can't Roger work when those do?
It's the fact that there's no balance between the two.
This entire chapter for instance was a humiliation conga for the guy. He gets clapped, gets rejected and then apparently gets clapped again.
And the issue is that there isn't much else to make up for it as of now. Clashing with Primebeard is legit the only really impressive thing this much hyped character has done so far.
Since Wano this guy's seriousness has also felt like it's dwindled. There's a reason people complain he's Luffy-fied now. He feels more goofy, more comical - not in a way that improves his character by making him more human, at least IMO.
And that's bad, because early Roger felt way more impactful. This was a man who slew nations in the name of an insult to his friends. The strongest Yonko of them all and the mightiest Marine both earned their reputations simply by going toe to toe with him.
He may have had common traits with Luffy or Shanks, but he felt like he had a darker side, like he could have shared Luffy's attitudes while being a more grim person overall, with his own unique nature.
That's the issue with Roger. He was this giant shadow everyone in the story seemed to live under, but his portrayal doesn't justify it so far. After seeing Luffy Roger just seems like his Beta version instead of something different.
And look, I get hating Tiktok verbiage ("aura farming") as much as anyone else, but sometimes you legit gotta treat characters with more respect.
I mean Roger's not the only one who's had this sillyfication happen to him. Goku in DBS, Ben 10 in Omniverse...hell, you know Kengan Omega? The one with the funny face that everyone did Mihawk edits on?
This was one of its main villains in Ashura and earlier Omega:
This is him now, after his first onscreen fight:
And ofc people were justifying this pointing out how he was acting this way before one of the strongest characters in the serious, and another who was pretty deadly. Which is fair.
But the fact of the matter is, this guy was hyped to hell, even he was a conniver foremost, he was still a terrifying and significant foe. He didn't get enough respect before he started losing.
And that's the Roger problem in a nutshell. You can't give us a character like this who was so important to the story, especially in terms of his power and influence, and then just clown on him more often than he's hyped.
Balancing it out a bit is needed. There's characters in OP who've got comedic moments while still being menacing (Zoro, Garp, Kaido etc) and others who are just serious in general (WB, Akainu, Mihawk etc). Why can't Roger work when those do?
Good point ngl.
I think it's because he wants Roger to be inline with the Nika stuff, and early Roger's more bloodthirsty nature doesn't with Nika Luffy being a Liberator.
So he's been gradually toning down Roger since Wano to be goofier.
Like look at this man's animal motif compared to Shanks lmao
It's a shame because IMO Roger's Wano FB and journey could have been like a redemption voyage, with him attempting to atone for his past violence by making a better world for his son or something.
I think it's because he wants Roger to be inline with the Nika stuff, and early Roger's more bloodthirsty nature doesn't with Nika Luffy being a Liberator.
So he's been gradually toning down Roger since Wano to be goofier.
Like look at this man's animal motif compared to Shanks lmao
It's a shame because IMO Roger's Wano FB and journey could have been like a redemption voyage, with him attempting to atone for his past violence by making a better world for his son or something.
19 yo luffy ( in his youth ) became yonko level an hour after learning acoc
1156 garp alrdy mastered acoc,
god valley garp might be prime garp but 1156 aint far either
1156 garp is def stronger than old garp who is struggling to even stand and was " out of touch " with his haki
1156 garp alrdy mastered acoc,
god valley garp might be prime garp but 1156 aint far either
1156 garp is def stronger than old garp who is struggling to even stand and was " out of touch " with his haki
Also by this youth logic the WB shining Xebec's shoes running his errands should also be above Old HealthyBeard who was above Prime Mihawk, Shanks, Kaidou. I heavily doubt a WB as strong as OldBeard would be shining another man's shoes like that. Not buying it, GVbeard > Oldbeard > Lackeybeard.
Comparing the past era to the current timeline where Luffy can go from being a fodder to Kaidou, to slaying him a couple days later isn't valid. Oda can be a lot more patient with their growth rates since he has entire decades to work with. We know for a fact even at GV where a lot of these guys were in their mid 30s were still not at their absolute peaks. There is no shot they were growing at the pace Luffy is, their journeys were far slower too. The strawhats cleared the grand line in a few months, and they are about to do the same to the New World, Luffy is gonna be PK arguably before he hits 20.
God Valley is when you will see the young versions of the characters above their old selves, this was just an appetizer.
I don't slander Hancock at all. I agree she can even take out some top tiers that's how broken her combination of beauty + hax is.
I would rank her higher on a tier list than Vergo. However someone as stoic as Vergo is a bad matchup because I believe he can control his lust. Once that happens I'm obviously going to pick Vergo over Hancock in physical combat. Not that she's necessarily weak but she's definitely not Vergo either, this dude can crack Sanji's legs without hardening, can fold Smoker in half with a single oni take, I don't see Hancock taking too many of his blows.
I would rank her higher on a tier list than Vergo. However someone as stoic as Vergo is a bad matchup because I believe he can control his lust. Once that happens I'm obviously going to pick Vergo over Hancock in physical combat. Not that she's necessarily weak but she's definitely not Vergo either, this dude can crack Sanji's legs without hardening, can fold Smoker in half with a single oni take, I don't see Hancock taking too many of his blows.
