Great Generals Tournament, Losers R1 - Round 3

Who Wins?


  • Total voters
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Lee Ba Shou

Conqueror of the Stars
#1
We may be about to witness the start of a massive comeback. Lol

Rules:
-Some of the Generals featured in this tournament have only hype and no feats, so just vote based on who you think would win based on whatever reasoning you feel!
-You MUST vote in the poll for your vote to count!
-Discussion is of course encouraged but keep it civil. Feel free to try and persuade each other why the General you feel is stronger overall would win.
-Every General in the Losers Bracket still has a legitimate shot at winning the entire tournament. However, if you lose a round in the losers bracket, you are out of the tournament.

Loser of this round is Eliminated

Round 1 - Losers R3

Mou Bu

-Moubu has a 100,000 man Qin Army, including his usual commanders/subordinates
-Subordinate Generals/Commanders:
Moubu will be joined by his son, Mou Ten, and his Gaku Ka Unit (as they appeared during the Battle of Shukai Plains, including Ko Zen and Riku Sen):
Rai Ki
Chou Si
Ken Fu
etc.

VERSUS

Go Kei

-Number 1 Wei General: Go Kei has a Wei Army of 120,000 men including 10,000 Wei War Chariots
-Subordinate Generals: Haku Ki Sai, Kyuu Gen, Shu Ki, Ma Ki

Location: Bayou Outskirts
Scenario: Go Kei begins on the Zhao Side. Mou Bu begins on the Qin side.
War to slay the opposing commander or force them to surrender by any means necessary. Literally any strategy or lack-there-of is allowed. If you think one of the Generals would permanently retreat, count that as a loss for that General.

Who Wins and Why?

 
#2
Go Kei is much better when it comes to tactics, his military knowledge was considered the best in Wei when it comes to strategies, Ouki himself praises him for that while Mou bu was a fool, enough to fall for simple tactics in Ouki vs Houken/Riboku battle which eventually costed Qin the loss and Ouki Death.
Not only that Ouki also claims that Mou Bu could very well be slained by enemies at this stage or would, if they don't go in to help him, since he has completly fallen for their tactics. So that Mou bu would have definitely lost to Go Kei, no doubts there.

But present Mou Bu has learnt from his lessons and ain't as reckless as he was before. He also has Mou Ten with him, so they might perform better.
And the main Reason Go Kei would loose is his unwillingness to fall back. In duel against Mou Bu, he is certain to loose but like against Duke Hyou, Go Kei wouldn't try to avoid fighting Mou Bu, even tho that isn't wise thing to do. His Resolve and Bravey is admirable but unwillingness yo fall back is a flaw like Duke Hyou said.
 

Lee Ba Shou

Conqueror of the Stars
#3
@Yo Tan Wa to be fair, the only reason Go Kei didn’t retreat from Duke Hyou is that Duke Hyou was invading his home state of Wei. In a scenario like this one where Go Kei isn’t protecting Wei from invaders, my dude should have no issues strategically retreating lol.

But I do think Moubu wins this one. Having Mou Ten as a subordinate will allow his army to better withstand some of Go Kei Sama’s overwhelming tactics, while Mou Bu’s own personal martial strength guarantees that no one in the Wei Army will be able to stop him.

Mou Bu wins this one.
 
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#4
Gokei needs someone like Earl Shi here tbh. The problem with Wei's strategical GGs is that they don't have exceptional, physically capable vassals like Ousen (Akou/Shiryu/Sou Ou) and Kanki ( Zenou clan) to hinder the enemy's assault, let alone Moubu's unstoppable offense.

Wei's war chariots are extremely useful against Qin's infantry, but Moubu's special cavalry unit only needs to break several rows to reach Gokei and the latter simply doesn't have the resources to stop Moubu's rampage. Haku Ki Sai did absolutely nothing beside getting hugged by Renpa and slaughtered by Kanki. and Gyuugen was a medicore commander. Gokei's best chance to take down Moubu is by luring him inside Gyuugen's hill then sending the hunter brothers, Shuki and Maki with the entire war chariot squadron to kill him. but that probably won't work either. when he goes ham, Moubu's momentum far exceeds what those normal commanders can do. don't even think Keisha can stop him without having physically capable commanders.
 
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