Spoiler [History Spoilers] EOS Moubu is Insane

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#1


Your resident not-Moubu fan strikes again. I’m going to say this only once, huge historical spoilers ahead. If you don’t want to be spoiled for major battles in the Kingdom EOS, stop reading now.

I often see folks in the historical spoilers community rightly praising the feats of characters like Ousen or Riboku at EOS, but far less often do I see people actually praising EOS Moubu. I think this is because information on Moubu at the EOS can be tough to come across online, but today I wanted to take a look at Moubu’s feats at EOS and explain why I think the dude is hugely slept upon.

Specifically there are three achievements of EOS Moubu that I want to talk about:

1. The unstoppable advance of the Qin into Chu

2. The fall of the Chu capital

3. The defeat of the Baiyue tribes

So let’s do this.

The Fall of Chu

So historically Ousen gets credit for the fall of Chu, and indeed just like the fall of Zhao, Ousen was the commander of this campaign. However, like the fall of Zhao, Ousen would have been unable to conquer Chu if not for the assistance of the Vice generals and commanders fighting alongside him. This is where Moubu comes in.

You see, while Ousen was the Qin commander in the final Chu campaign, it was Moubu who performed all of the greatest deeds that actually lead to the collapse of Chu as a state. The way that Ousen was able to catch Kou En off guard was that Ousen was able to convince Kou En through troop positioning that he was not going to attack that year. This resulted in Kou En recalling portions of the army defending Chu, at which point Ousen surprises the Chu with a 600,000 man Qin army. The fact that Ousen was able to catch Kou En off guard was great, but ultimately a surprise tactic isn’t going to decide an entire war. At best a surprise tactic will give you an initial advantage but this isn’t exactly a checkmate nor something that will win a war of such a massive scale by itself.

No, ultimately what cost the Chu the existence of their state was Moubu. While Ousen started the Qin off in an advantageous state, it was the furious unstoppable advance of Moubu that kept the Chu from reversing the advantage created by Ousen, and ultimately brought the Chu to their knees.

I believe that in the final Chu war, all of the Qin 6GG will attack Chu simultaneously, but the stars of the show initially will be Ousen and Moubu, and it will ultimately be them who contributes the most to the fall of Chu. I think that Chu will throw everything it has in Moubu’s way but ultimately just won’t have anyone/anything who could stop his advance just as it happened historically. Now I think Shin will also play a huge part here but this thread ain’t about that, we’re talking about Moubu right now.

So Moubu serves as the spearhead of the Qin army, and Moubu leads the Qin all the way to the Chu capital where Moubu captures the capital of Chu and kills the king of Chu. There are even some records I can find that say that Moubu is the general credited with killing Kou En (but I don’t think Hara will have Moubu do this).

So two things about this:
1. The idea that Hara has built Chu up as a superstate with incredibly powerful Generals, and yet Moubu pulls off a feat like this is insane unto itself

2. Moubu capturing the Chu capital is insane because historically there is actually another character who captured the previous Chu capital:

So literally you have a scenario where the only two characters who can claim to have captured the capital of Chu are Hakuki and Moubu. Oh, and it’s still possible that Moubu may be the very general to kill the massively hyped Kou En. Again I don’t think Moubu will do this as I have my own predictions to how Kou En will die, and the accounts of Kou En’s death differ but still, this is entirely possible.

Conquering the Baiyue Tribes

Again this is another completely insane feat just given the commanders Moubu is being compared to here. We know that Baiyue tribe are a tribe directly comparable in might to the Xiongnu, and Hara established the Xiongnu as a threat that only the best of the best great generals can stop. Historically the only two commanders who severely defeat the Xiongnu were Riboku and EOS Mouten.

So once again Moubu joins an incredibly select club of all-time greats in his conquest of the Baiyue tribes. He literally runs a completely unstoppable train through the heart of Chu, plows through their capital and ends them as a state, and then goes straight to Baiyue territory and ends them as well just for good measure. Literally EOS Moubu is looking completely unstoppable as an offensive power.

Review

So Moubu captures the Chu capital, an achievement he shares with Hakuki, and Moubu defeats the Baiyue tribes, an achievement comparable to those of EOS Mouten and the Godboku himself. It is also still possible that Moubu will kill Kou En.

And this isn’t even mentioning Moubu killing the Chu king, which we won’t get into in this thread but for those of you who know who the Chu King at EOS is…

Yeah, EOS Moubu (imo) will literally be one of the absolute all time goats of this manga and deserves much more respect.

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#4
Moubu might not get enough credit for all his deeds and Hara might give Shin too much limelight to make him greatest of all time in series in that campaign even though it would be Shin who suffers a massive L there as well.

But no matter what, Moubu vs SHK is going to be the most epic EoS fight or might be best duel of whole series.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#5
Yeah, EOS Moubu (imo) will literally be one of the absolute all time goats of this manga and deserves much more respect.
It depends what you’re calling an all time great

Moubu will maybe be the all time great in offense

But in a war or overall I would still put some guys over him :
- Riboku
- Haku Ki
- Gaku Ki
- Shin EOS
- Mouten EOS
- Ouki
- Renpa
- Ousen
- RSJ
- likely SHK too
- likely below EOS Ouhon too

so a bit below top 10
 
#6
It depends what you’re calling an all time great

Moubu will maybe be the all time great in offense

But in a war or overall I would still put some guys over him :
- Riboku
- Haku Ki
- Gaku Ki
- Shin EOS
- Mouten EOS
- Ouki
- Renpa
- Ousen
- RSJ
- likely SHK too
- likely below EOS Ouhon too

so a bit below top 10
My man literally kicked out Moubu from even top ten EOs list in a Moubu appreciation thread..:suresure:
Also switch out Mouten and Ouhon spot. I feel uncomfortable watching the likes of Renpa, Ousen and RSJ below Shin and Mouten.:sanmoji:
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#7
My man literally kicked out Moubu from even top ten EOs list in a Moubu appreciation thread..:suresure:
Also switch out Mouten and Ouhon spot. I feel uncomfortable watching the likes of Renpa, Ousen and RSJ below Shin and Mouten.:sanmoji:
Haha Always count on me to slander that brute Moubu

The list wasn’t in order, I just listed the guys on the fly

But for Mouten at least we know Moubu won’t be above him. Mougou told us clearly that the best talent in the family was Mouten and not Moubu.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#8
But in a war or overall I would still put some guys over him :
- Riboku
- Haku Ki
- Gaku Ki
- Shin EOS
- Mouten EOS
- Ouki
- Renpa
- Ousen
- RSJ
- likely SHK too
- likely below EOS Ouhon too
By achievements it really just depends. We will see what Hara does. Running an unstoppable train through the Chu capital and exterminating the Baiyue is really a peak feat, there really aren’t any better feats than this historically.
 
#9
EOS Moubu will without a doubt be within top 10 in the entire series.

The hype that Hara gave him was frankly quite insane. Even in Bayou Ouki said something about Moubu becoming the next symbol of Qin's military after his death and that came true with Moubu now being the First Great / Leader of 6GG. In raw offense there's likely no one above him.

The downplay so far seem to come from two factors: first he's not as historically popular as some other characters, second he still haven't got a chance to face a top tier strategist onscreen so it's unclear to what extent he can overcome tactics. I think once the story will move to Chu invasion we will have a chance to see the full extent of Moubu's might, but that is still far from now.
 
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