Man oh man, for a guy who's pushed as the top 1 martial guy by the fandom at large, he ain't really all that impressive:
1st. Kyou vs Houken: Weapon reach advantage after stepping on her foot. But fair, he beat her after getting some injuries.
2nd. Ouki vs Houken: neg-diff'd by enraged Ouki
3rd. Ouki vs Houken: dam near mid-diff'd by Ouki, Riboku comes in the save. Then damn near high-diff'd by Ouki, arrow comes in with the save.
4th. Gekishin vs Houken: 1-shot a dude with 90 strength and essentially no wieght to pose a threat.
5th. Duke Hyou vs Houken: Got his arm broken, but still killed the Duke. However, what's left out is Duke Hyou didn't rest for 3-4 days and had just fought through the Ryuudou... aka he beat a tired out Duke Hyou while being fresh himself, and still got his arm broken.
6th. Kyoukai vs Houken: Kyoukai at this point was exhausted to the point she could barely fight properly. But channels in to her powers as much as she could and still lands some cuts on him + takes off his fingers. .
7th. Shin vs Houken: Same shit, hungry + exhausted Shin who's having hard time dealing with fodders ends up beating him.
I don't think he's as big of a fraud as Kaido or Whitebeard, since they didn't beat a single top dog. But man in the present story the man's only legit W was killing an exhausted Duke Hyou.
A take almost as stupid as Garp being a good character lmfao. Houken pushed Ouki to his maximum, Ouki had weight against Houken that he never had at any other point in his life.
What a funny way to disregard Gekishin stating he had the strength of a Great General. Lol
If the right hand man to the Military God stating that he has the strength of a Great General is still not enough to prove that Gekishin has weight, then no one has weight. Lol
5th. Duke Hyou vs Houken: Got his arm broken, but still killed the Duke. However, what's left out is Duke Hyou didn't rest for 3-4 days and had just fought through the Ryuudou..
6th. Kyoukai vs Houken: Kyoukai at this point was exhausted to the point she could barely fight properly. But channels in to her powers as much as she could and still lands some cuts on him + takes off his fingers. .
1. Yes I'm aware, issue is he would've sliced him down again as Houken as helpless to do anything, hence he didn't do anything to counter the arrows.
2. Yes I'm aware however, he already acknowledged it had nothing to do with injuries, Ouki was simply far above him. And this "far above him" wasn't due to some special rage boost. But yes, it wouldn't be a neg-diff without the injuries from Kyou.
A take almost as stupid as Garp being a good character lmfao. Houken pushed Ouki to his maximum, Ouki had weight against Houken that he never had at any other point in his life.
Ouki vs Houken:
Chapter 161- Houken pushes back Ouki, lands a cut on his cheek
Chapter 162 - Houken lands another cut on Ouki's cheek, with Ouki landing a bigger cut on Houken's face. With the two still feeling each other out.
Chapter 165 - Ouki and Houken both become serious and start clashing. With Ouki now having the clear advantage.
Chapter 166 - Houken lands one slash on him. Ouki goes to poundtown ruthelessly on Houken and with a smile on his face is about to behead a defenseless Houken, until the earth shook with the arrival of the great Riboku.
Chapter 168 - A distracted Ouki slices up Houken, with Houken noticing that his technique is slipping.
Chapter 169 - A distracted Ouki trying to come up with a strategy hits Houken hard enough to make him lose his consciousness. Then a concussed Houken lands bunch of hits on Ouki. With the same distracted Ouki then countering him and about to finish him off, until Arrow saves Houken.
So yes,
1st round = Mid-diff.
2nd round = High-diff.
And you're continuing to prove again, you comprehension of "weight" is wrong. Ouki doesn't get special weight against Houken. He will always have Kyou's weight, after her death, regardless of the fight. As Ouki carries the weight of the all of dead allies and enemies. The man literally spells it out for you and y'all still running this non-sense of "Special weight exclusive to this fight".
What a funny way to disregard Gekishin stating he had the strength of a Great General. Lol
If the right hand man to the Military God stating that he has the strength of a Great General is still not enough to prove that Gekishin has weight, then no one has weight. Lol
- Strength of a Great General varies from the GG. But yes the guy who was confident he could 2vs1 Riboku & Houken despite knowing they beat Ouki is the one I should trust on his statements.
- This is headcanon. Never once has he been stated to be right hand man. We're specifically shown the relationship the two had and it wasn't of comrades or individuals close to each other.
- That's not how it works. You don't simply gain weight by attaining the position of a Great General. Weight is correlated with one's desires and accepting of the burdens of enemies and allies. Gekishin displayed he would easily sell out Yan were Qin to make him a solid offer. How exactly would he have weight as described by Ouki?
We're in 2025 and still failing to realize Gekishin's character is set up tot be a character whose image is something else from his reality lol.
Bro conveniently ignores that Duke Hyou was an Ouki rival and that this was a true mid diff for Houken. Lol
. Duke Hyou was an Ouki rival on the battlefield, nice. What does that have to do with beating a Duke Hyou who hadn't rested for 3+ days and had just fought through the Ryuudou?
Houken had already been cut up by bullshit Kai so he was far from in peak condition at that point.
Overalll Houken is extremely overrated but this bullshit post ain’t it lmfao. Devaluing Houken slaying both Kyou and Duke Hyou ain’t the way.
-> Still in a much better condition than Shin.
-> Nobody devalued Kyou battle, stop getting sensitive and read properly.
-> Nobody devalued the Duke hyou battle, stop getting sensitive and read properly.
He beat a Kyou, whose martial prowess is unkown outside of her stat (but y'all aren't stat guys) with the weapon reach advantage, this is props to him as acknowledged in the OP. That's a statement of what happened.
He beat a tired out Duke Hyou with 3+ days of no rest and lord knows how long of fighting the Ryuudou. That's a statement of what factually happened. I mean props to you if this is impressive.
Except Kyou wasn't a martial focused Qin6, she was an allrounder, rather if anything leaning towards strategy more (if we going by stats, but i'm pretty sure we're not since y'all don't fuck with stats). But she's never been portrayed as a top tier martial monster in the series.
The entire point of Houken's character is a deluded man, who thought he had yet to reach the peak thus couldn't attain the enlightenment he wanted, in reality he had already reached the peak, but simply wasn't good enough. He thought since Ouki whooped him, he had more room to grow still and that he hadn't reached the peak.
He had already reached the pinnacle long ago.
The notion of him growing stronger only comes from headcanon assumptions and fodder statements.
He’s incredibly impressive, I just think he has something of an asterisk to his name.
He is the ‘best’ fighter we will ever see. If China had a tournament like they did with the ten bows, he’d win it.
But weight plays apart in this series and that can fluctuate and change based on the situation, where people are fighting for dreams and beliefs. There’s always going to be situations where it catches him out.
Man oh man, for a guy who's pushed as the top 1 martial guy by the fandom at large, he ain't really all that impressive:
1st. Kyou vs Houken: Weapon reach advantage after stepping on her foot. But fair, he beat her after getting some injuries.
2nd. Ouki vs Houken: neg-diff'd by enraged Ouki
3rd. Ouki vs Houken: dam near mid-diff'd by Ouki, Riboku comes in the save. Then damn near high-diff'd by Ouki, arrow comes in with the save.
4th. Gekishin vs Houken: 1-shot a dude with 90 strength and essentially no wieght to pose a threat.
5th. Duke Hyou vs Houken: Got his arm broken, but still killed the Duke. However, what's left out is Duke Hyou didn't rest for 3-4 days and had just fought through the Ryuudou... aka he beat a tired out Duke Hyou while being fresh himself, and still got his arm broken.
6th. Kyoukai vs Houken: Kyoukai at this point was exhausted to the point she could barely fight properly. But channels in to her powers as much as she could and still lands some cuts on him + takes off his fingers. .
7th. Shin vs Houken: Same shit, hungry + exhausted Shin who's having hard time dealing with fodders ends up beating him.
I don't think he's as big of a fraud as Kaido or Whitebeard, since they didn't beat a single top dog. But man in the present story the man's only legit W was killing an exhausted Duke Hyou.
It may be a disappointing scene at first read, but when you sit down and think about it, there is an incredible amount of depth in Houken calling Gekishin a fraud as he kills him. I had done an analysis when I first read it, but now I took a break from reading. Here it is:
First, let’s take a look at Gekishin’s character. He fought for Yan literally just for the promise of riches and would switch to Qin in the blink of an eye if they paid him more. While this is undoubtedly a fair way to live for an ordinary man, it demonstrates a level of greed and self-centeredness unfit for a Great General of the Heavens™. It’s exactly like what Renpa said about Ousen when he withdrew to his fortress in chapter 223: “You are on a different path from ours.” Those who truly fit the title of GG have shown to possess relatively pure hearts (for example, it was mentioned that the six GGs were all dreamers) and are capable of inspiring extraordinary morale and loyalty in their men.
Gekishin, however, is not a pure man at all. He blatantly stole Gakuki’s tactics, fights only for riches, and mercilessly kills his own soldiers the moment they show fear of Houken (which, although desertion is a serious crime in war, his lack of hesitation certainly shows a lack of compassion).
But why does all of this matter in his clash with Houken? It’s actually simple. Gekishin lacks the "weight" of a true general. Houken is chasing the shadow of Ouki, someone who is a true Great General of the Heavens™. Despite Houken being more skilled with the halberd than Ouki, he was still being overwhelmed by Ouki’s "weight." The moment Gekishin starts talking about the weight of a great general, Houken’s senses immediately sharpen because he is still desperately trying to understand that weight. However, all that anticipation Houken had vanishes instantly when he trades blows with (lol, more like annihilates) Gekishin, who, in almost every aspect, as Houken appropriately put it, is a fraud.
Gekishin definitely has the talent of a great general (the way he located Riboku’s HQ was phenomenal), but he is not, and never will be, a general loved by the heavens.
This super short battle was a phenomenal continuation of the Sanyou campaign, which was all about showing what a true Great General of the Heavens™ is. Renpa can conjure the most incredible strategic schemes, inspire soldier morale to a level that shakes heaven and earth, and his strikes carry a weight that makes all bones tremble. He even told Shin what was necessary to become such a general (knowledge/strength/luck, etc.). With the Zhao vs. Yan battle, Hara went out of his way to show that Gekishin was the exact opposite of that—an egocentric and greedy man who, by coincidence, also happens to be very good at war.
That he was killed and exposed as a fraud by Houken, of all people—a man who doesn’t even have the slightest aura of a general and focuses solely on martial prowess—is incredibly ironic. Sorry for the wall of text, but I really had to get this off my chest. It’s a short but incredibly complex piece of writing by Hara.
It may be a disappointing scene at first read, but when you sit down and think about it, there is an incredible amount of depth in Houken calling Gekishin a fraud as he kills him. I had done an analysis when I first read it, but now I took a break from reading. Here it is:
First, let’s take a look at Gekishin’s character. He fought for Yan literally just for the promise of riches and would switch to Qin in the blink of an eye if they paid him more. While this is undoubtedly a fair way to live for an ordinary man, it demonstrates a level of greed and self-centeredness unfit for a Great General of the Heavens™. It’s exactly like what Renpa said about Ousen when he withdrew to his fortress in chapter 223: “You are on a different path from ours.” Those who truly fit the title of GG have shown to possess relatively pure hearts (for example, it was mentioned that the six GGs were all dreamers) and are capable of inspiring extraordinary morale and loyalty in their men.
Gekishin, however, is not a pure man at all. He blatantly stole Gakuki’s tactics, fights only for riches, and mercilessly kills his own soldiers the moment they show fear of Houken (which, although desertion is a serious crime in war, his lack of hesitation certainly shows a lack of compassion).
But why does all of this matter in his clash with Houken? It’s actually simple. Gekishin lacks the "weight" of a true general. Houken is chasing the shadow of Ouki, someone who is a true Great General of the Heavens™. Despite Houken being more skilled with the halberd than Ouki, he was still being overwhelmed by Ouki’s "weight." The moment Gekishin starts talking about the weight of a great general, Houken’s senses immediately sharpen because he is still desperately trying to understand that weight. However, all that anticipation Houken had vanishes instantly when he trades blows with (lol, more like annihilates) Gekishin, who, in almost every aspect, as Houken appropriately put it, is a fraud.
Gekishin definitely has the talent of a great general (the way he located Riboku’s HQ was phenomenal), but he is not, and never will be, a general loved by the heavens.
This super short battle was a phenomenal continuation of the Sanyou campaign, which was all about showing what a true Great General of the Heavens™ is. Renpa can conjure the most incredible strategic schemes, inspire soldier morale to a level that shakes heaven and earth, and his strikes carry a weight that makes all bones tremble. He even told Shin what was necessary to become such a general (knowledge/strength/luck, etc.). With the Zhao vs. Yan battle, Hara went out of his way to show that Gekishin was the exact opposite of that—an egocentric and greedy man who, by coincidence, also happens to be very good at war.
That he was killed and exposed as a fraud by Houken, of all people—a man who doesn’t even have the slightest aura of a general and focuses solely on martial prowess—is incredibly ironic. Sorry for the wall of text, but I really had to get this off my chest. It’s a short but incredibly complex piece of writing by Hara.
It may be a disappointing scene at first read, but when you sit down and think about it, there is an incredible amount of depth in Houken calling Gekishin a fraud as he kills him. I had done an analysis when I first read it, but now I took a break from reading. Here it is:
First, let’s take a look at Gekishin’s character. He fought for Yan literally just for the promise of riches and would switch to Qin in the blink of an eye if they paid him more. While this is undoubtedly a fair way to live for an ordinary man, it demonstrates a level of greed and self-centeredness unfit for a Great General of the Heavens™. It’s exactly like what Renpa said about Ousen when he withdrew to his fortress in chapter 223: “You are on a different path from ours.” Those who truly fit the title of GG have shown to possess relatively pure hearts (for example, it was mentioned that the six GGs were all dreamers) and are capable of inspiring extraordinary morale and loyalty in their men.
Gekishin, however, is not a pure man at all. He blatantly stole Gakuki’s tactics, fights only for riches, and mercilessly kills his own soldiers the moment they show fear of Houken (which, although desertion is a serious crime in war, his lack of hesitation certainly shows a lack of compassion).
But why does all of this matter in his clash with Houken? It’s actually simple. Gekishin lacks the "weight" of a true general. Houken is chasing the shadow of Ouki, someone who is a true Great General of the Heavens™. Despite Houken being more skilled with the halberd than Ouki, he was still being overwhelmed by Ouki’s "weight." The moment Gekishin starts talking about the weight of a great general, Houken’s senses immediately sharpen because he is still desperately trying to understand that weight. However, all that anticipation Houken had vanishes instantly when he trades blows with (lol, more like annihilates) Gekishin, who, in almost every aspect, as Houken appropriately put it, is a fraud.
Gekishin definitely has the talent of a great general (the way he located Riboku’s HQ was phenomenal), but he is not, and never will be, a general loved by the heavens.
This super short battle was a phenomenal continuation of the Sanyou campaign, which was all about showing what a true Great General of the Heavens™ is. Renpa can conjure the most incredible strategic schemes, inspire soldier morale to a level that shakes heaven and earth, and his strikes carry a weight that makes all bones tremble. He even told Shin what was necessary to become such a general (knowledge/strength/luck, etc.). With the Zhao vs. Yan battle, Hara went out of his way to show that Gekishin was the exact opposite of that—an egocentric and greedy man who, by coincidence, also happens to be very good at war.
That he was killed and exposed as a fraud by Houken, of all people—a man who doesn’t even have the slightest aura of a general and focuses solely on martial prowess—is incredibly ironic. Sorry for the wall of text, but I really had to get this off my chest. It’s a short but incredibly complex piece of writing by Hara.
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