General & Others How I think the final war will go down

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I don't feel like writing a protracted essay, so I will keep things simple.

• It will be in two arcs (technically three, but I'll get to that).
• The first arc is set on Lodestar Island after Elbaf Arc.
• The World Government, Marines, all four Yonkou, the Revolutionary Army, and the Seraphims will be involved.
• Luffy defeats Sakazuki. (There won't be traditional matchups for the Straw Hats here.)
• Maybe Law and Kid defeat Fujitora and Ryokugyu.
• The Blackbeard Pirates wipe out the Red-Hair Pirates and possibly Mihawk along with Cross Guild.
• Teach (now the new World's Strongest Man) makes his way to Laugh Tale and Luffy follows after.
• Now we are in the second arc, Laugh Tale.
• At the very least, the WG, the SHP, and BBP remain.
• The SHP have their BBP matchups.
• Luffy defeats Teach in an epic battle and finds the One Piece.
• In what can be considered the third arc as it may happen outside of Laugh Tale, Luffy may or may not go after Imu. (How this altercation goes down depends on how powerful Imu is.)

 

[milluki]

I agree with the order of villains. I don't see why BBP vs RHP has to happen on the same battlefield as SH vs Navy. Also Oda always does relaxed arcs in betwwen high stakes ones, so those three arcs wouldn't be all.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Also Oda always does relaxed arcs in betwwen high stakes ones, so those three arcs wouldn't be all.

It'd be a two-parter like Water 7 with Enies Lobby or Impel Down with Marineford.

 

[ShiShiShi]

Interesting.

 

[Destroya]

Luffy is definitely not ready for an all out war anytime soon. It makes more sense for Luffy to become PK and him and the SHs learn the truth about the Void Century and Joy Boy. This will motivate the WG to initiate all out war with the SHs.

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Like you said, there won't be any straight forward matches during the war, meaning multiple SHs are probably tangling with multiple opponents. You think Luffy after Elbaf is going to be able to bounce between Admirals and whatever else gets thrown his way? Him defeating BB puts him above everyone and allows him to actually do that.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Luffy is definitely not ready for an all out war anytime soon.

How do you conclude this?

It makes more sense for Luffy to become PK and him and the SHs learn the truth about the Void Century and Joy Boy. This will motivate the WG to initiate all out war with the SHs.

Knowing the One Piece contains unsettling truths they wish to memory hole won't encourage the WG to throwdown?

You think Luffy after Elbaf is going to be able to bounce between Admirals and whatever else gets thrown his way?

Luffy is about to fight an Admiral right now and has already defeated a (nerfed) Yonkou. He's not the only one beating a top tier. Blackbeard's beating one too. The trip from Lodestar gives them more than enough time to recover.

Him defeating BB puts him above everyone and allows him to actually do that.

It's not just the Straw Hat Pirates combating the World Government. You als have the Red-Hairs, the Revolutionary Army, Cross Guild, and even the Blackbeard Pirates themselves fighting them.

 

[Destroya]

How do you conclude this?



Knowing the One Piece contains unsettling truths they wish to memory hole won't encourage the WG to throwdown?



Luffy is about to fight an Admiral right now and has already defeated a (nerfed) Yonkou. He's not the only one beating a top tier. Blackbeard's beating one too. The trip from Lodestar gives them more than enough time to recover.



It's not just the Straw Hat Pirates combating the World Government. You als have the Red-Hairs, the Revolutionary Army, Cross Guild, and even the Blackbeard Pirates themselves fighting them.

Luffy isn't ready for an all out war because it took absolutely everything in the tank and falling his way to beat Kaido. He's not going to roll Kizaru either. Luffy needs to be clearly head and shoulders above everyone else so that he doesn't get pushed or wasted in the final war. If he almost lost to Kaido, and is about to get pushed by Kizaru, he needs to be way stronger to handle the final war.

Then why isn't the WG throwing down with everyone who's close to One Piece then? Shouldn't they he motivated with so many crews being close to it? It makes sense for the WG to commit to an all out war and pushing in all their chips only after someone becomes PK and learn about One Piece, otherwise they have too many other potential threats to deal with at once.

Already talked about this point a bit, but Luffy NEEDS to be the WSM and clearly above everyone else before he starts to fight multiple Admirals and opponents during the final war. I'm scraping by Kaido, and I'm sure he's not no diffing Kizaru here, shows he's not at a level where, after only one other island, he'll be able to handle the final war.

This last point I feel favors my argument. There's too many strong crews out there for the WG to think a full out final war against the SHs is a good idea. It only makes sense for the final war to happen when the SH are the last crew standing and they have become the PK's crew. Also, if Luffy fought the final war before BB, BB won't have any achievement or experience like the final war to put him on the same level as Luffy. It makes much more sense for Luffy and BB to fight and claw their ways to Laugh Tale, fight each other, and then Luffy is finally strong enough and ready to fight in the final war.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Luffy isn't ready for an all out war because it took absolutely everything in the tank and falling his way to beat Kaido.

That very arc picked up from Luffy BARELY surpassing a YC1 and ended its first act with Kaido clapping Luffy with zero difficulty. Luffy will be fine. Plus, we're no where near the final war arc. Elbaf's next, and we still have to finish Egghead.

He's not going to roll Kizaru either.

No one said he will "roll Kizaru," but given that Egghead is a blatant parallel to Sabaody Archipelago Arc, Luffy beating Kizaru is very likely. Yeah, he'll have a hard time, but it does nothing to distinguish my points.

Luffy needs to be clearly head and shoulders above everyone else so that he doesn't get pushed or wasted in the final war.

No, he doesn't. He just needs reinforcements, which will come in the form of an alliance with the Red-Hair Pirates and Revolutionary Army.

Then why isn't the WG throwing down with everyone who's close to One Piece then? Shouldn't they he motivated with so many crews being close to it?

Because there was a counter balance preventing the One Piece from being found.

It makes sense for the WG to commit to an all out war and pushing in all their chips only after someone becomes PK and learn about One Piece, otherwise they have too many other potential threats to deal with at once.

It makes more sense that a war that Oda hyped up to dwarf Marineford is going to actually dwarf Marineford by incorporating all four Yonkou this time around.

Already talked about this point a bit, but Luffy NEEDS to be the WSM and clearly above everyone else before he starts to fight multiple Admirals and opponents during the final war.

Again, no, he doesn't. Luffy just needs to surpass Sakazuki. It's ridiculous that Luffy has to skip over a guy by beating a stronger character beforehand. Imagine Luffy needing to beat Crocodile just to beat Arlong. And what makes you think he's beating ALL Admirals?

This last point I feel favors my argument. There's too many strong crews out there for the WG to think a full out final war against the SHs is a good idea. It only makes sense for the final war to happen when the SH are the last crew standing and they have become the PK's crew. Also, if Luffy fought the final war before BB, BB won't have any achievement or experience like the final war to put him on the same level as Luffy. It makes much more sense for Luffy and BB to fight and claw their ways to Laugh Tale, fight each other, and then Luffy is finally strong enough and ready to fight in the final war.

All four Yonkou aren't unifying to fight the WG, they're fighting against each other and the WG. You'll get Luffy and Shanks teaming up, but they're still fighting against the other Yonkou.

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

Decent prediction, but I think it will more go like this

- Luffy beats Kizaru and escapees to Elbaf
- Buggy and CG align with Burn Scar and get the last RP
- BBP head to Elbaf to go after SH RP and Vegapunk
- Shanks heads to Elbaf to go after BBP
- CG is called by Caribou and find out he has copies of RP and Ancient weapon info, so they head to Elbaf
- Akainu sent to Elbaf since SH attacked a Gorosei during their escape

- Huge battle on Elbaf between Navy and Yonko. Akainu and BBP are defeated.

-Shanks purposes an alliance between CG, SH, and RHP to goto Laughtale together and then settle things, which they all agree to

- IMU, Gorosei, and HK give chase and end up battling them alongside the Revos

- While the others are busy Shanks claims the One Piece and uses it to defeat IMU.

- Shanks vs Luffy final battle

 

[HellBlazer04]

Another Shiryu beats Mihawk thread in disguise

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Another Shiryu beats Mihawk thread in disguise

My theory isn't dependent on Shiryu killing Mihawk though.

 

[HellBlazer04]

My theory isn't dependent on Shiryu killing Mihawk though.

Its still a part of it.

Altho most of your ideas in this theory are good, that one take of shiryu beating mihawk makes the theory completely ass.

How is shiryu beating mihawk when he couldn't even take out moria with a sneak attack

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Altho most of your ideas in this theory are good, that one take of shiryu beating mihawk makes the theory completely ass.

I said possibly for a reason.

How is shiryu beating mihawk when he couldn't even take out moria with a sneak attack

For a guy whom I'm sure understands how asinine the Vista argument was, you're seriously going there?

 

[HellBlazer04]

For a guy whom I'm sure understands how asinine the Vista argument was, you're seriously going there?

That's exactly why im going there.

People still to this day love to bring the vista card to say mihawk is fraud, when it has constantly been emphasized that mihawk is a top tier.
Yet for shiryu you guys immediately start coping.

Now putting this community beef aside, lets get to real talk
Let's list the amount of evidence to support mihawk being zoro's final fight:
1) Mihawk is the WSS
2) He is Zoro's fight to finally achieve his dream
3) The only confirmed alive Supreme Grade Black Blade user
4) Bare minimum as strong as Yonko Shanks
5) 3.6 billion bounty as a solo pirate career
6) Promise to Kuina

Evidence for shiryu:
1) he is the "supposed" second strongest of BBP
2) headcannon about BB being the final villain i.e. luffy's final fight meaning shiryu automatically becomes zoro's final fight.

That's it.
There is no meaningful evidence for this theory.

Its pretty ironic that people want Zoro's dream to be fraudulent when one piece is a series about characters achieving their dreams and most of these same guys would claim they love One Piece.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't feel like writing a protracted essay, so I will keep things simple.

• It will be in two arcs (technically three, but I'll get to that).
• The first arc is set on Lodestar Island after Elbaf Arc.
• The World Government, Marines, all four Yonkou, the Revolutionary Army, and the Seraphims will be involved.
• Luffy defeats Sakazuki. (There won't be traditional matchups for the Straw Hats here.)
• Maybe Law and Kid defeat Fujitora and Ryokugyu.
• The Blackbeard Pirates wipe out the Red-Hair Pirates and possibly Mihawk along with Cross Guild.
• Teach (now the new World's Strongest Man) makes his way to Laugh Tale and Luffy follows after.
• Now we are in the second arc, Laugh Tale.
• At the very least, the WG, the SHP, and BBP remain.
• The SHP have their BBP matchups.
• Luffy defeats Teach in an epic battle and finds the One Piece.
• In what can be considered the third arc as it may happen outside of Laugh Tale, Luffy may or may not go after Imu. (How this altercation goes down depends on how powerful Imu is.)

Teach beating Shanks and Mihawk in the same arc is unlikely.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

People still to this day love to bring the vista card to say mihawk is fraud, when it has constantly been emphasized that mihawk is a top tier.
Yet for shiryu you guys immediately start coping.

What the hell are you on about? I've literally fought back against the Vista argument and even pointed out his Vivre Card doesn't say they have equal swordsmanship.

Now putting this community beef aside, lets get to real talk
Let's list the amount of evidence to support mihawk being zoro's final fight:
1) Mihawk is the WSS
2) He is Zoro's fight to finally achieve his dream
3) The only confirmed alive Supreme Grade Black Blade user
4) Bare minimum as strong as Yonko Shanks
5) 3.6 billion bounty as a solo pirate career
6) Promise to Kuina

I'm sorry, but how does any of this prove Shiryu won't kill Mihawk? If Shiryu kills Mihawk, Zoro's dream won't diminish but rather his obstacle shifts towards the new WSS.

2) headcannon about BB being the final villain i.e. luffy's final fight meaning shiryu automatically becomes zoro's final fight.

There's more evidence for Blackbeard being Luffy's final fight than there is for Shiryu not killing Mihawk.

 

[HellBlazer04]

What the hell are you on about? I've literally fought back against the Vista argument and even pointed out his Vivre Card doesn't say they have equal swordsmanship.

I'm not specifically talking about you. I'm talking about the community in general. Everyone except Zoro fans thinks that since Mihawk didn't immediately defeat YC5 Vista, that he is fodder which means YC1 Shiryu is stronger. Like we didn't have it established since his first appearance that Mihawk doesn't go all out against fodders
So, I'm using the same argument for Shiryu.

I'm sorry, but how does any of this prove Shiryu won't kill Mihawk? If Shiryu kills Mihawk, Zoro's dream won't diminish but rather his obstacle shifts towards the new WSS.

How do you not understand something this simple?
Zoro associates the World's Strongest Swordsman to Mihawk. If Mihawk the WSS gets defeated by some fodder like commander level shiryu, then that dream was always fraudulent.

Shiryu beating mihawk would also put him as stronger than Shanks. Ain't no way that's happening. Shiryu doesn't have remotely close portrayal to put him on that level. In fact you can't even prove Shiryu above Magellan. At best he is equal to magellan.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

How do you not understand something this simple?
Zoro associates the World's Strongest Swordsman to Mihawk. If Mihawk the WSS gets defeated by some fodder like commander level shiryu, then that dream was always fraudulent.

Shiryu beating mihawk would also put him as stronger than Shanks. Ain't no way that's happening. Shiryu doesn't have remotely close portrayal to put him on that level. In fact you can't even prove Shiryu above Magellan. At best he is equal to magellan.

It wouldn't make his title fraudulent, it would just mean people have been underestimating EoS Shiryu. If Zoro's surpassing Shanks at the end of the series, then there's a chance Zoro's parallel in a pirate crew that's depicted as better versions of the Straw Hats will too.

And Impel Down is irrelevant.

 

[HellBlazer04]

It wouldn't make his title fraudulent, it would just mean people have been underestimating EoS Shiryu. If Zoro's surpassing Shanks at the end of the series, then there's a chance Zoro's parallel in a pirate crew that's depicted as better versions of the Straw Hats will too.

And Impel Down is irrelevant.

Lets just say i disagree on this point.

Other than this you made solid predictions.