Current Events How to make us root for Luffy more as a character and powerhouse?

uyuu

uyuu

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#1
What if Luffy:

- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level

- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc

- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance

- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village

- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka

- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit

- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late

- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first

- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding

- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.

- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS

- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques

- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique

- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.



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Will those changes at least make Luffy a more believable in-verse powerhouse, and also a character that is worthy to root for?

Also, tell me your ideas! How to make post-TS Luffy great again?
 
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Herrera95

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- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level
I at least expected that from him back then. When he took a fight with Fujitora at Dressrosa after using G4 to defeat Doffy I literally felt he was Admiral Level already.
- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc
That would really be good for him. It would be odd for the series though since he could be afraid of losing his nakamas
- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance
Yes, please. His ending with Cracker was ridiculous gag.
- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village
He more or less did that. The problem was more about Hody Jones being portrayed weak. He could have been better so Luffy wouldn't look weak almost dying to him.
- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka
This should have happened. I literally see no reasn for a second round G4. Cracker could be defeated by KKG.
- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit
I don't care much about Nami helping him but how he defeated Cracker is shit writing. Cracker DF was portrayed as army level DF. I wouldn't be surprised if even Katakuri couldn't beat him.
- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late
I would rather Sanji knocking him out since he wasn't even using haki. But yes he should have beated that army.
- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first
This is about the upper one change? Has nothing to do with Luffy.
- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding
Again, nothing to do with Luffy. You are only hyping up Kata's FS more now.
- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.
Sure thing, when Luffy broke that mirror I got goosebumps on my skin
- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS
Just make Snakeman faster than Katakuri so he coudn't dodge it.
- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques
He didn't had to know about Poneglyph. The mission was about Sanji. They got him back, mission over. Period. But yes he should have acknowledge the gap between then and start to think how to become strong at her level.
- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique
He already had Fire techniques which in Sanji's case ignores the user defense right or lowers it down not sure. Same principle could be applied here.
- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.
So since beginning Luffy is portrayed as the chosen one, the next Roger at least. You people easily forget about that.


To me the biggest problem is Oda "nerfing" Luffy until final battle every arc. He having a hard time against opponents we KNOW to be much weaker than him is a big problem. Luffy having problems with Apoo, Ulti, using G4 against Number, getting help from Jinbei and Sanji to fight fodders to rooftop is really an issue for him. Also allowing Usopp and Nami to fight Ulti and Page One is an issue for him and Sanji.
 
The White Crane

The White Crane

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#5
#5
uyuu said:
What if Luffy:

- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level

- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc

- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance

- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village

- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka

- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit

- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late

- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first

- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding

- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.

- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS

- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques

- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique

- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.



---

Will those changes at least make Luffy a more believable in-verse powerhouse, and also a character that is worthy to root for?

Also, tell me your ideas! How to make post-TS Luffy great again?
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A little too late for that. :josad:
 
Swordtaker

Swordtaker

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#6
#6
uyuu said:
What if Luffy:

- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level

- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc

- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance

- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village

- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka

- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit

- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late

- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first

- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding

- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.

- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS

- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques

- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique

- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.



---

Will those changes at least make Luffy a more believable in-verse powerhouse, and also a character that is worthy to root for?

Also, tell me your ideas! How to make post-TS Luffy great again?
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if oda did this, Luffy will only attract shallow fans similar to what zoro have,
a good protagonist will always be the underdog in every new level of struggle. :cheers:
 
uyuu

uyuu

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#8
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Herrera95 said:
- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level
I at least expected that from him back then. When he took a fight with Fujitora at Dressrosa after using G4 to defeat Doffy I literally felt he was Admiral Level already.
- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc
That would really be good for him. It would be odd for the series though since he could be afraid of losing his nakamas
- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance
Yes, please. His ending with Cracker was ridiculous gag.
- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village
He more or less did that. The problem was more about Hody Jones being portrayed weak. He could have been better so Luffy wouldn't look weak almost dying to him.
- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka
This should have happened. I literally see no reasn for a second round G4. Cracker could be defeated by KKG.
- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit
I don't care much about Nami helping him but how he defeated Cracker is shit writing. Cracker DF was portrayed as army level DF. I wouldn't be surprised if even Katakuri couldn't beat him.
- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late
I would rather Sanji knocking him out since he wasn't even using haki. But yes he should have beated that army.
- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first
This is about the upper one change? Has nothing to do with Luffy.
- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding
Again, nothing to do with Luffy. You are only hyping up Kata's FS more now.
- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.
Sure thing, when Luffy broke that mirror I got goosebumps on my skin
- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS
Just make Snakeman faster than Katakuri so he coudn't dodge it.
- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques
He didn't had to know about Poneglyph. The mission was about Sanji. They got him back, mission over. Period. But yes he should have acknowledge the gap between then and start to think how to become strong at her level.
- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique
He already had Fire techniques which in Sanji's case ignores the user defense right or lowers it down not sure. Same principle could be applied here.
- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.
So since beginning Luffy is portrayed as the chosen one, the next Roger at least. You people easily forget about that.


To me the biggest problem is Oda "nerfing" Luffy until final battle every arc. He having a hard time against opponents we KNOW to be much weaker than him is a big problem. Luffy having problems with Apoo, Ulti, using G4 against Number, getting help from Jinbei and Sanji to fight fodders to rooftop is really an issue for him. Also allowing Usopp and Nami to fight Ulti and Page One is an issue for him and Sanji.
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Such a detailed response thanks :cheers:




Swordtaker said:
if oda did this, Luffy will only attract shallow fans similar to what zoro have,
a good protagonist will always be the underdog in every new level of struggle. :cheers:
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Well i agree about struggle but i dont like fake struggle like Luffy vs Hody or Luffy vs Dofla tho? Luffy had G4 amnesia vs Hody, Luffy also could finish Doflamingo right there after Leo Bazooka maybe by Kong Organ or something but he did a fanservice for citizens, if Oda end the arc there instead, it'd be better than Luffy fake struggle KKG and Birdcage threat imo. I mean pre-TS was more natural than that, if Luffy was stronger than his enemies, Oda didnt have to always desperately search for a way to make Luffy seem cornered powerlevel-wise at each arc.

And even if Luffy's strong enough, Doflamingo can always pose other type of threats such as his deception, hostages, marionettes impersonating or controlling his friends, etc. Hody can also pull of a real threat by harming Luffy's friends or making dilemmas in Luffy's side, related to race or Shirahoshi or Neptune or Jimbei stuff, if Luffy is already strong enough, no one force Oda to always make it powerlevel struggle for him, it can be other kind of struggle imo.

And also imo Luffy always having destiny chosen one factor mentioned and shoved about him is degrading his own character and effort.
 
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Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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#10
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I think Luffy is doing amazing things from a power level perspective, although I hope he will awaken as soon as possible for the beauty of it 🤔

His character is ok but it's a shame Oda cut so much on the interactions between SHs. I hope we will get some fancy ones as they travel to Elbaf or something.
 
Water1415

Water1415

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#14
#14
uyuu said:
What if Luffy:

- Came outta timeskip at YC1 level

- Masterfully grasp the concept of war, sacrifice, big picture, deception, tactics, leadership etc

- No gags against YC-level opponent and above, being funny a bit against subpar opponents is fine to show dominance

- Treated Hody Jones like Lord of The Coast at Foosha village

- Treated Doflamingo like Kuro, beat him with the first G4 Leo Bazooka

- Beat Cracker alone, and only need Nami's help to eat his biscuits after to replenish his energy a bit

- Beat Enraged Army, making Katakuri recognize the danger, asking BM to send himself before it's too late

- BM didnt allow Kata since they had Germa business first

- Kata anticipated Luffy's arrival the most in Wedding

- Luffy vs Kata commenced as a battle between equals.

- Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS

- Luffy recognized BM's vastly superior strength, making the decision for the crews' tactical escape after getting Poneglyph copy, constantly focused all the time he had after the WCI to invent original Devil Fruit, haki, and limit-breaking fusion techniques

- Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique

- No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.



---

Will those changes at least make Luffy a more believable in-verse powerhouse, and also a character that is worthy to root for?

Also, tell me your ideas! How to make post-TS Luffy great again?
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Nah, Luffy struggling against his opponents made his fights interesting. Zoro was treated the way you described and his fights were boring, his character suffered from not having any real challenge or obstacles in his way pre Wano
 
uyuu

uyuu

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#16
Water1415 said:
Nah, Luffy struggling against his opponents made his fights interesting. Zoro was treated the way you described and his fights were boring, his character suffered from not having any real challenge or obstacles in his way pre Wano
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I imagine Kata will give him challenge just like pre-TS Luffy vs Smoker tho? Its just he wont dependant on Brulee and defeat Kata by wrecking his brain himself. While i imagine Kaidou is gonna be superior version of Crocodile and Lucci? Like i said before if i made Luffy strong enough to solve his own fights, i will give Luffy other types of serious struggles vs his weaker opponents instead of fake powerlevel struggle like Luffy vs Hody or Luffy vs Dofla. While in WCI i'd give Luffy more or less similar struggle compared to the original, but no Flambe, no Merienda, no self-stabbing, and no FS copypaste.
 
Date

Date

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#17
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Luffy is already great, your "ideas" would make all the arcs feel shit without him stuggling to defeat anyone.



Just look at Zoro, until Onigashima he fighted weak enemies and his fights were just boring.
 
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