Current Events If Vegapunk is clearly an idiot, Lunarians and Seraphin are plot holes.

[DonWick]

Just to be clear I hate the Seraphim and I am starting to hate Vegapunk.

Let’s start with Vegapunk, if you are the smartest man in the world why wouldn’t you take someone that could fight with you to where you suspected the other punks to be? We know it’s either a traitor or an enemy why go by yourself without mentioning to anyone where you’re going?

Why not tell the people protecting you from the seraphim’s their weakness? If he doesn’t know it that’s a plot hole.

Now for the Lunarians, if you can just be invisible with your flame on, why would you ever take it off? Why do you need to be fast if you can tank everything? They shouldn’t ever lose. Oda needs to write them a better weakness immediately.

If they can easily compete with Yonko and Yonko commanders then the government should easily destroy the Yonko.

 

[Salah WG]

Oda needs to write them a better weakness immediately.

Or what?

 

[DonWick]

Or what?

Or there is just a huge plot hole. It doesn’t make sense.

 

[Herrera95]

Welcome to Oda's writing. You can have a seat on Egghead Island line. Mine is a little forward at WCI line. Some people are seated at Fishmen Island. Few are even seat somewhere at pre timeskip.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Vegapunk is as smart as the author, ofc everything he does and says is dumb and full of plot holes.
Oda sacrificed King for a movie promo but now everyone gets an idea of what Zoro had to go through against "Queen's" equal.

 

[Kiiro]

There is many types of intelligence, Vegapunk is just a great creator. Look at Nicola Tesla, died poor and alone.

 

[Rob Luffy]

Welcome to Oda's writing. You can have a seat on Egghead Island line. Mine is a little forward at WCI line. Some people are seated at Fishmen Island. Few are even seat somewhere at pre timeskip.

What’s your beef with WCI? Big Meme or Lanji?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Just to be clear I hate the Seraphim and I am starting to hate Vegapunk.

Let’s start with Vegapunk, if you are the smartest man in the world why wouldn’t you take someone that could fight with you to where you suspected the other punks to be? We know it’s either a traitor or an enemy why go by yourself without mentioning to anyone where you’re going?

Why not tell the people protecting you from the seraphim’s their weakness? If he doesn’t know it that’s a plot hole.

Now for the Lunarians, if you can just be invisible with your flame on, why would you ever take it off? Why do you need to be fast if you can tank everything? They shouldn’t ever lose. Oda needs to write them a better weakness immediately.

If they can easily compete with Yonko and Yonko commanders then the government should easily destroy the Yonko.

I don't feel like debunking this but one:
Shaka couldn't take any Seraphim, they were all occupied at the time.
Also Lunarians still have to move to attack.. Did ya forget that?
King realized that Zoro could hurt him and at that point he tried to move out of range and busted out his best attack.

 

[Herrera95]

What’s your beef with WCI? Big Meme or Lanji?

Sanji the most. But also how Katakuri fight ended. I don't think Big Mom was such a problem as people say. Anime made it worse by having her screaming Wedding Cake a lot. The only thing I didn't liked was the unexplained scene where Luffy punches her with G4 and she seems to do something like getting his soul or whatever that makes him goes out of it immediately like he was defeated.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Just to be clear I hate the Seraphim and I am starting to hate Vegapunk.

Let’s start with Vegapunk, if you are the smartest man in the world why wouldn’t you take someone that could fight with you to where you suspected the other punks to be? We know it’s either a traitor or an enemy why go by yourself without mentioning to anyone where you’re going?

Why not tell the people protecting you from the seraphim’s their weakness? If he doesn’t know it that’s a plot hole.

Now for the Lunarians, if you can just be invisible with your flame on, why would you ever take it off? Why do you need to be fast if you can tank everything? They shouldn’t ever lose. Oda needs to write them a better weakness immediately.

If they can easily compete with Yonko and Yonko commanders then the government should easily destroy the Yonko.

The seraphim were just created. They’re built to fight with the yonko and are clearly stronger than the commanders.

That’s not a plot hole, that’s literally their primary function. They’re built to replace a piece of the three great powers. Clearly they’re just living up to the hype

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Sanji the most. But also how Katakuri fight ended. I don't think Big Mom was such a problem as people say. Anime made it worse by having her screaming Wedding Cake a lot. The only thing I didn't liked was the unexplained scene where Luffy punches her with G4 and she seems to do something like getting his soul or whatever that makes him goes out of it immediately like he was defeated.

Everything you cited happened in the manga as well.
Big mom appearing every chapter for 30 chapters screaming ''Wedding Cake''.
G4 luffy punching big mom who blocked with haki then Luffy deflates and says he can't fight anymore and gets carried by Sanji.

 

[Herrera95]

Everything you cited happened in the manga as well.
Big mom appearing every chapter for 30 chapters screaming ''Wedding Cake''.
G4 luffy punching big mom who blocked with haki then Luffy deflates and says he can't fight anymore and gets carried by Sanji.

My point is about manga. I just said anime made Big Mom worst by having her screaming Weeding Cake. You can easily skip that part on manga.

 

[DonWick]

I don't feel like debunking this but one:
Shaka couldn't take any Seraphim, they were all occupied at the time.
Also Lunarians still have to move to attack.. Did ya forget that?
King realized that Zoro could hurt him and at that point he tried to move out of range and busted out his best attack.

This doesn’t debunk anything. Shaka shouldn’t have take a Seraphim he should have taken a Strawhat. The reason I say a Strawhat is because CP0 could turn on him and the seraphim were already against him. A Strawhat like Luffy or Zoro could handle most potential threats.

Lunarians aren’t slow with their flame on King was already fast with his flame so it’s literally no reason to take it off. He’s giving himself a weakness by doing that. If King realized Zoro could hurt him why not make yourself invincible instead of vulnerable he clearly wasn’t out of range either he got hit.

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The seraphim were just created. They’re built to fight with the yonko and are clearly stronger than the commanders.

That’s not a plot hole, that’s literally their primary function. They’re built to replace a piece of the three great powers. Clearly they’re just living up to the hype

They aren’t though. They can’t compete clearly they just don’t take damage so they get knocked around and get back up. They are like Zombies.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They aren’t though. They can’t compete clearly they just don’t take damage so they get knocked around and get back up. They are like Zombies.

The only reason it looks like they can’t is because they’ve been fighting against Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. They completely dominated CP0, and S-Snake decimated half the straw hats.

Hell even Zoro had to call in for help when Hawk and Bear showed up, so much to the level that Luffy and Zoro found it to be necessary to free Lucci and Kaku. Hell last chapter we were told Bear was able to hold off All 4 at once.

Just because we’re not being shown them fighting back we clearly see they are as Luffy Zoro Lucci and Kaku are getting bruised up as the rooms get more and more destroyed.

Just because Oda hasn’t shown them attacking doesn’t mean they haven’t and this is shown by Luffy and Zoros concern for the seraphims strength.

 

[DonWick]

The only reason it looks like they can’t is because they’ve been fighting against Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. They completely dominated CP0, and S-Snake decimated half the straw hats.

Hell even Zoro had to call in for help when Hawk and Bear showed up, so much to the level that Luffy and Zoro found it to be necessary to free Lucci and Kaku. Hell last chapter we were told Bear was able to hold off All 4 at once.

Just because we’re not being shown them fighting back we clearly see they are as Luffy Zoro Lucci and Kaku are getting bruised up as the rooms get more and more destroyed.

Just because Oda hasn’t shown them attacking doesn’t mean they haven’t and this is shown by Luffy and Zoros concern for the seraphims strength.

Outside of Zoro Sanji Jinbei & Luffy the strawhats arent commander level. So beating Franky doesn’t prove you’re strong. Zoro decimated Kaku and Luffy decimated Lucci. Therefore the Seraphim giving CP0 a hard time still doesn’t prove anything.

Luffy and Zoro freed Kaku and Lucci to get the fight over faster they didn’t actually need help. They are far superior to the seraphim. Also if it’s not shown in a panel or talked about I don’t include it in my analysis at all. As far as I’m concerned the seraphim can’t do much of anything.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Outside of Zoro Sanji Jinbei & Luffy the strawhats arent commander level. So beating Franky doesn’t prove you’re strong. Zoro decimated Kaku and Luffy decimated Lucci. Therefore the Seraphim giving CP0 a hard time still doesn’t prove anything.

Luffy and Zoro freed Kaku and Lucci to get the fight over faster they didn’t actually need help. They are far superior to the seraphim. Also if it’s not shown in a panel or talked about I don’t include it in my analysis at all. As far as I’m concerned the seraphim can’t do much of anything.

Luffy decimated Lucci in gear 5 a yonko level ability. While Zoro and Kaku never really fought as the fight was quickly ended due to Stussy intervention.

Regardless, the Seraphim have only shown issues fighting those who they themselves are above the commander level like the monster trio beyond that they’re shown as absolute powerhouses. Even going so far as to change the landscape of Amazon Lily and worrying Blackbeard.

Hell outside of Hawk, each Seraphim seems significantly stronger than their counterpart.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Vegapunk didn't know there was a traitor until he was captured.

So why would he have taken a Seraphim with him for protection?

 

[DonWick]

Luffy decimated Lucci in gear 5 a yonko level ability. While Zoro and Kaku never really fought as the fight was quickly ended due to Stussy intervention.

Regardless, the Seraphim have only shown issues fighting those who they themselves are above the commander level like the monster trio beyond that they’re shown as absolute powerhouses. Even going so far as to change the landscape of Amazon Lily and worrying Blackbeard.

Hell outside of Hawk, each Seraphim seems significantly stronger than their counterpart.

You are really reaching saying the Seraphim are stronger than the originals. I also didn’t know you consideredd Zoro to be above commander level. Even though at least two commanders are still stronger than him. Also Sanji is beating the shit out of Jinbeis seraphim is he above commander level to?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You are really reaching saying the Seraphim are stronger than the originals. I also didn’t know you consideredd Zoro to be above commander level. Even though at least two commanders are still stronger than him.

When I say commander level I refer to the commanders of the fallen yonko. Whitebeards/Big Moms/Kaidos commanders. As current commanders are completely different.

And am I?
What makes Boa beyond S-Snake?
What could Jinbe do that S-Shark can’t?
S-Bear has shown the same abilities of Kuma too.

However, the originals have significantly worse durability and speed not to mention they don’t have lasers for AOE and AP.

 

[DonWick]

When I say commander level I refer to the commanders of the fallen yonko. Whitebeards/Big Moms/Kaidos commanders. As current commanders are completely different.

And am I?
What makes Boa beyond S-Snake?
What could Jinbe do that S-Shark can’t?
S-Bear has shown the same abilities of Kuma too.

However, the originals have significantly worse durability and speed not to mention they don’t have lasers for AOE and AP.

I’ll give you an example Boa took out multiple commanders in front of BB. Also why would Mihawk be an exception? He doesn’t have Kizarus lasers, Lunarian Durability or a Devil Fruit. They are knock off warlords.