General & Others Is it time to add a "power measuring system" for Haki?

#1
One of the biggest problems with power level debates in One Piece are that many feats in which we base the strength of characters off of are subject to interpretation and speculation. Especially when comparing things like purely Haki, or purely physical strength or speed.
(Problem)
With one of the biggest example being Haki, specifically CoA. The going example is Zoro's CoA is stronger than Luffy's CoA, because Zoro's haki was able to cut through Pica's "Full Body Hardened" haki while Luffy's Haki failed to fully withstand attacks from Bellamy while he was using "Hardening" and Hody Jones was able to draw blood from his bites.
The going logic being because Pica was shown to be a higher rank than Bellamy and presumed to have stronger haki than Bellamy than Zoro cutting through Pica means that in a one to one situation of Haki based on status Zoro>Pica>Bellamy>Luffy. But that is not the case because it is not a one to one comparison. Because Zoro wasn't just using Haki he was using his swords and physical strength, we don't know what Zoro could have done without haki and there is no way to know, we also don't know if he was even going 50% of his strength when he cut through Pica.
We know that Doflamingo was stronger than Pica than it goes Doflamingo >Pica, and Luffy was able to match Doflamingo's Haki.
The other problem that comes with this comparison is that Zoro would be able to completely tank the attacks from Bellamy and Hody in the same situations, with the biggest argument being Zoro coating his swords and cutting through Pica doesn't mean that his Haki is more durable because the Swords are naturally harder and more durable than skin.
The problem arises that because there is no way of just measuring someone's haki without having to factor in everything else. It's why I never understood the criticism "that the New World is all about Haki" because we have never seen a fight of just someone winning because of stronger haki without them also having other advantages. An example of this is Garp vs Chinjao, you can say Garp had stronger haki, or that Garp was physically stronger or even both (which is the most likely) , but you can't say that is was solely because of either haki or strength because we don't have a measuring system that can separate them from one another.
(Solution)
Creating and measuring system to clearly tell us how strong someone's haki is and solely their haki. One Piece even did the power measuring system before and it was done extremely well. With the Doriki power measuring system. With that system they were measuring purely physical strength and even made a point to specifically not included any other things like Sword skills, Devil Fruits, or weapons. Just physical strength in base form. And that is what we need for haki right now. And measuring system for CoA.
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#3
I guess Oda doesnt want to do this on purpose. There are to many different kinds of strenght in one Piece, started by physics, strength, Speed, over to 3 different haki forms with each different specialities, to devil fruit, awakaning, different Kind of devil fruits, extremely different ways to fight... Its just spread to wide for an measuring System.

To take a simple example, with this measurement, you Need to put Enel planets higher then Luffy was back then, still, Luffy won against Enel, just because of his better Ability and his Cleverness in fighting.
 
#6
Why should he introduce something like this? There is nothing like this in any manga worth of this name. DBZ introduced this just to forget about it the next arc.

If you start to describe the limits then you kill grey areas that generate curiosity and debate. Just imagine if Oda in the next chapter says something like WB was 100, Kaido 95, BM 93, Shanks 90 and so on. All the related debates here in this forum will instantly die and same in the fandom in general. The mysteries still unsolved are what generate interest and debate, just look at the content of the debates here: 99% are theories or speculations about things which have still to happen or things that are still uncertain, this is the fuel of manga. If you think about it it is clear that he is trying to do exactly the opposite of making things definite.
 
#10
Too much rambling bro. Doffy broke through Luffy's Haki, and so did fucking Hody.



BUT, Luffy's Haki mastery came in the form of harmonizing his DF and Haki. That takes skill too.

So, Zoro's Haki is HARDER but Luffy could manipulate it to flex around different shapes. This was added to Vergo's Vivre card, since he could do the same to his bamboo stick.
 
#11
Too much rambling bro. Doffy broke through Luffy's Haki, and so did fucking Hody.



BUT, Luffy's Haki mastery came in the form of harmonizing his DF and Haki. That takes skill too.

So, Zoro's Haki is HARDER but Luffy could manipulate it to flex around different shapes. This was added to Vergo's Vivre card, since he could do the same to his bamboo stick.
But does hardest equal Stronger haki, in a one to one comparison? Also is Zoro's CoA harder? We have never seen in block attacks only attack, but with that we also don't know if his swords without haki could cut through Pica?
 
#13
Yes, but only for nobodys/minor characters. Rayleigh said it’s present in everyone. There’s no point doing it for the beasts cuz they’d just shatter it. But I’d be interested to see where Peeply Lulu would be with Armament.
 
#14
Sanji vs Vergo is the prime example of what stronger haki can do.
DJ kick has massive force.
koka kicks break Sanjis [CoA] legs.
I am sure Sanji generates more raw kinetic force tha Vergo. Sanji kicked parts of buildings arround pre skip. yet he is no match for Vergos koka (it was implied that Sanji has CoA).

of course it is a mix of your abilities, but at the current stage haki has the largest impact.
Luffy powered through the Kujas haki with brute force.
that means Luffy is probably very strong (like duh).
Hyou tells Luffy to stop using brute force and focus on haki.
that should tell you which has more impact in a battle.

deal with it. OP has become a "my haki > your haki" contest. "the new world is all about haki".

we will not get a real measuring stick from Oda and that is a good thing.
there is still the chance that weaker haki/no haki overpoweres stronger haki in some circumstances.
Luffy was for example never above any of Katas haki, not FS not CoA, but he won. simply cause (asspull *cough*) Luffy is able to tank more damage.
 
#16
That would be the worst idea ever, even worse than the Doriki system.
Let's not forget that the Doriki was used in half an arc and then was never mentionned again...
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#17
No. Oda leaving room for interpretation and analysis is what makes discussions interesting. Placing a a measurable value on everything ruins that as it just boils it down to numbers.
 
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