Character Discussion Is Pirate King really the main aim of Yonkos?

[Akagaminoproduction]

Let me pick one by one:
1. Whitebeard: The man himself rejected Roger's offer and rather helped him at a critical point to become PK. WB lived as he wanted and never intended to be PK
2. Shanks: The most free yonko. The man is quite mysterious but if he was trying to be PK, he wouldn't pass the hat to Luffy. His actions have not indicated that he actively tries to be PK.
3. Big Mom: The most important goal for her is the union of all races. She actively tries to achieve it by getting pregnant. Unlike above two she has mentioned the wish to be PK, but her giant alliance had both objectives. It has been mentioned that she is one of the most long lasting yonko yet we dont have any mentions about her trying to fight over Road Poneyglyphs like luffy. She came wano to kill luffy solely. What happened afterwards was more of quirk of fate. Her alliance with Kaido had more basis in SSG anceint weapon and world domination and less on PK. It looked as if Kaido and BM were forced to ally. Why did she settle down while we have luffy who will become PK without settling down??
4. Kaido: The man not even once said I want to be PK. He wants a big war and a glorious death. We yet to see his objectives but considering his wish for fight, its unlikely his main goal is to be PK. Above explanation explains Kaido's situation as well.
5. Blackbeard: The man the myth the legend. His closest line to be PK was "Now my age will begin". We yet to see a lot about him but if he really is successor to Xebec he should aim to World's King and Pirate King.... which means he should go for Mary Joei and not Raftel. His duration already had a war with WB remnants and the man makes long term plan so I can't say much about his actions.
6. Luffy: One dream and all actions relate to it solely. Had de-route but never had second thoughts.....

So what do you guys think about priorities to Yonkos??

 

[Sir Yasheen]

A pirate king is different for each person:

Big Mom and Kaido so want to be the king of the pirates, but that’s not to find the one piece.

Big Mom wants it because she wants to expand her empire. She wants all people in her country and as king of the pirates she’ll have the influence and power to finally get elbaf.

Kaido wants a war. And odds are he’s aware of the future that the king of the pirates will create a war that will turn the world on his head. Dying in this war will definitely give him what he wants.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

A pirate king is different for each person:

Big Mom and Kaido so want to be the king of the pirates, but that’s not to find the one piece.

Big Mom wants it because she wants to expand her empire. She wants all people in her country and as king of the pirates she’ll have the influence and power to finally get elbaf.

Kaido wants a war. And odds are he’s aware of the future that the king of the pirates will create a war that will turn the world on his head. Dying in this war will definitely give him what he wants.

It has not been specified yet whether One Piece is a weapon or gold pile or what... so for BM I would say influence... which she can do in other way so her first priority is not One Piece

Kaido knows about OP but I dont think he wants it as weapon rather a title so that when he dies he goes down similar to Roger... so not really first priority...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It has not been specified yet whether One Piece is a weapon or gold pile or what... so for BM I would say influence... which she can do in other way so her first priority is not One Piece

Kaido knows about OP but I dont think he wants it as weapon rather a title so that when he dies he goes down similar to Roger... so not really first priority...

The physical item isn’t as important to them. Just as it’s not the most important thing to Luffy.

The point of the One Piece is the symbolism behind it. It indicates that you are the most influential and freest person and the direct enemy of the world.

No one wants the treasure. They want it for what it represents.

Whitebeard didn’t want it because he already had what he wanted. Shanks is possibly the same way.

 

[Hereforthesalt]

Pirate King is just a title. It’s not a real dream. It’s not even Luffy’s real dream. His is to be the freest man alive and whatever else he told Ace and Sabo. Pirate King title is just a means to an end.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Whitebeard wants to Chill
Bigmom wants to One Piece
Kaido the little bitch wants to Destroy the World
Shanks worshipping 5 Elders

And we Got GOAT blackbeard. he should take over the world and become King of the World not PK shit

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

The physical item isn’t as important to them. Just as it’s not the most important thing to Luffy.

The point of the One Piece is the symbolism behind it. It indicates that you are the most influential and freest person and the direct enemy of the world.

No one wants the treasure. They want it for what it represents.

Whitebeard didn’t want it because he already had what he wanted. Shanks is possibly the same way.

My point is that luffy only cares about One Piece unlike Kaido & BM.... he doesn't seems to/shown to have other motives with OP.... I know he has other dream but he is never going away from One Piece path....

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Pirate King is just a title. It’s not a real dream. It’s not even Luffy’s real dream. His is to be the freest man alive and whatever else he told Ace and Sabo. Pirate King title is just a means to an end.

How PK title is a mean to be freest man??? Shanks currently has been termed as freest man and if you become strong enough you can be most free... You really dont need treasure hunting for that

 

[Sir Yasheen]

My point is that luffy only cares about One Piece unlike Kaido & BM.... he doesn't seems to/shown to have other motives with OP.... I know he has other dream but he is never going away from One Piece path....

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How PK title is a mean to be freest man??? Shanks currently has been termed as freest man and if you become strong enough you can be most free... You really dont need treasure hunting for that

Luffy has stated why he wants to be the king of the pirates. He doesn’t want to lead anyone he just wants to be the king of the pirates. He wants to be the freest man of the sea. At one point in time he lost both his brothers to the things that are the opposite of freedom.

 

[Salah WG]

At this point, it's pretty clear that "Pirate King" is just the Last Stepping Stone that will help these Pirates fulfill their Real Goals.
Such as Luffy's Secret Dream, Kaido's World Destruction, Big Mom's Perfect Utopia ... etc
Which begs the question, does it apply to other Straw Hats?

1. Zoro wants to become "Greatest Swordsman", but why? Why does he seek so much Power? (I hope we get his Wano Backstory)
2. Sanji wants to find "All Blue", but obviously cuz his True Dream is to be a Cook there & discover all Top Recipes
3. Usopp wants to become "Brave Warrior of The Sea", that's because he wants to have his own Legendary Tales
4. Nami wants to draw "World Map", but that's because she wants to make everyone Navigate easier & not get Lost

I personally believe East Blue Straw Hats > Grand Line Straw Hats in terms of Importance & Dreams, that's why i only listed these Four

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Luffy has stated why he wants to be the king of the pirates. He doesn’t want to lead anyone he just wants to be the king of the pirates. He wants to be the freest man of the sea. At one point in time he lost both his brothers to the things that are the opposite of freedom.

I agree and I am saying same thing.... Luffy trying to be PK coz he exactly wants to be PK... he is not fulfilling other motives with it unlike BM Kaido...
as a result of all hardwork he did he becomes (strong enough/backed by crew ) to be called freest man... now if his main goal was only freest man... he would go shanks way.... isn't it?? become yonko and enjoy freedom

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At this point, it's pretty clear that "Pirate King" is just the Last Stepping Stone that will help these Pirates fulfill their Real Goals.
Such as Luffy's Secret Dream, Kaido's World Destruction, Big Mom's Perfect Utopia ... etc

see this is where I dont agree/dissatisfied..... Kaido's main dream shown... Big mom main dream shown... but luffy's ultimate goal never shown.... we cant even be sure if it is to be freest man or not....
Most BM/Kaido actions rotate around their main dream.... but luffy's action revolve around becoming PK... so is the other goal even his main goal???

Which begs the question, does it apply to other Straw Hats?

1. Zoro wants to become "Greatest Swordsman", but why? Why does he seek so much Power? (I hope we get his Wano Backstory)
2. Sanji wants to find "All Blue", but obviously cuz his True Dream is to be a Cook there & discover all Top Recipes
3. Usopp wants to become "Brave Warrior of The Sea", that's because he wants to have his own Legendary Tales
4. Nami wants to draw "World Map", but that's because she wants to make everyone Navigate easier & not get Lost

I personally believe East Blue Straw Hats > Grand Line Straw Hats in terms of Importance & Dreams, that's why i only listed these Four

I agree on this considering how they have forgotten about their dream... Sanji had it worst by saying Mermaid is her all blue but Nami's on another level....

 

[Garp the Fist]

Not in the same way that Luffy wants it. For them (Kaido, BM, Blackbeard) it’s a means to an end, I don’t think they care all that much about the journey or the adventure to get there. Maybe Blackbeard does to an extent I suppose. But I think they are more interested in the knowledge hidden at Laugh Tale, and the power that can provide, since all three of them seem to know more about the hidden truth of the world than your average pirate.

 

[NAMELESS]

Maybe not for Shanks and Whitebeard!
But certainly Roger,Xebec,Kaido,Big Mom,Shiki and BlackBeard wanted to become PK to change the world by destroying the Celestial Dragons!

 

[Just a member]

WB didn't care and the same is true for Shanks but we have seen Kaido and BM trying ti become stronger in order to achieve the title of king (of pirates). Kaido built his zoan army for this objective, he also transforked Wano in a weapon factory, and BM planned Lola to get married woth Loki to get the giant army, also she wanted to use Pudding to get Germa, Praline to solidify the allaince with Jinbe, she costantly uses her sons/daughters to strengthen her crew (and to make more solid allaiances). Then they joined hands to conquer the world (which in their book should be almost the same as become the pirate king). Blackbeard is the same: he works on his personal power woth dfs, go shopping a strong crew in Impel down, the weapon stuff his commanders were discussing about before Baltigo, he hunts costantly for strong dfs (Jesus sent after Luffy's gomu gomu, Absalom df, Moria df..). They are like countries in WW2: they are trying their best to be the winner at the end of the war (that started when the ruler of the previous age, WB, died). Shanks 9nly cares to take BB under check because he knows he is the true danger but in the end he is just doing a "guardian of the world" job.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

But certainly Roger,Xebec,Kaido,Big Mom,Shiki and BlackBeard wanted to become PK to change the world by destroying the Celestial Dragons!

Join/Support Dragon maybe.... dude spent entire life for that goal.....
Also what would a treasure do in destroying Celestial Dragon?? See Fisher Tiger... the man who singlehandedly got CDs in check...

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WB didn't care and the same is true for Shanks but we have seen Kaido and BM trying ti become stronger in order to achieve the title of king (of pirates). Kaido built his zoan army for this objective, he also transforked Wano in a weapon factory, and BM planned Lola to get married woth Loki to get the giant army, also she wanted to use Pudding to get Germa, Praline to solidify the allaince with Jinbe, she costantly uses her sons/daughters to strengthen her crew (and to make more solid allaiances). Then they joined hands to conquer the world (which in their book should be almost the same as become the pirate king). Blackbeard is the same: he works on his personal power woth dfs, go shopping a strong crew in Impel down, the weapon stuff his commanders were discussing about before Baltigo, he hunts costantly for strong dfs (Jesus sent after Luffy's gomu gomu, Absalom df, Moria df..). They are like countries in WW2: they are trying their best to be the winner at the end of the war (that started when the ruler of the previous age, WB, died). Shanks 9nly cares to take BB under check because he knows he is the true danger but in the end he is just doing a "guardian of the world" job.

Its like a powerup for them for their main goals may be.... except BB... no one knows what goes in his head

 

[Finalbeta]

I guess each individual can aspire to different goals eventually. For instance Luffy wishes to become PK in that he possesses the greatest degree of freedom amongst all Pirates according to him (which is actually a weird interpretation since he will be chased all the time) maybe meaning that he wishes to stand above any other pirate in order to possess power = freedom, but another pirate like Teach might simply wish to attain raw power freedom or not, which is yet not specified.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

I guess each individual can aspire to different goals eventually. For instance Luffy wishes to become PK in that he possesses the greatest degree of freedom amongst all Pirates according to him (which is actually a weird interpretation since he will be chased all the time) maybe meaning that he wishes to stand above any other pirate in order to possess power = freedom, but another pirate like Teach might simply wish to attain raw power freedom or not, which is yet not specified.

I am not getting this point of highest freedom = finding one piece...
See shanks.... dude has been stated most free person as of now.... dude not interested in one piece..
If Luffy can beat all other 4 yonkos/navy he becomes most free... so its sort of power thing.... why a journey?? why an adventure?? why road poneyglyph??

 

[Finalbeta]

I am not getting this point of highest freedom = finding one piece...
See shanks.... dude has been stated most free person as of now.... dude not interested in one piece..
If Luffy can beat all other 4 yonkos/navy he becomes most free... so its sort of power thing.... why a journey?? why an adventure?? why road poneyglyph??

Yea some Pirates instead probably think that becoming PK means obtaining a lot of gold and treasures and power but Luffy thinks about freedom prominently xd it has to be related to power but he doesn't seem so interested in treasures

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Yea some Pirates instead probably think that becoming PK means obtaining a lot of gold and treasures and power but Luffy thinks about freedom prominently xd it has to be related to power but he doesn't seem so interested in treasures

Luffy seems like a kid who is playing an RPG and wants to finish the game and doesnt even know what is the reward for final boss.... he just wanna be champion....

 

[Nel-Zel fiasco]

looks like everybody in one piece have different opinion about pirate king
luffy Pk is the most free man alive ... but that so vague ...
big mom clearly want to expand her empire n made lots of alliance/conquer lots of island n goverments...
kaido want to create the greatest war by fighting WG n marines
BB we still not very clear about his purpose n target
Shanks is interesting he clearly have relation with WG n respected by them n he already free (maybe he really don,t want that OP or PK title) but we still not sure But from what we see Shanks Really want to defend Status Quo in the world.....
overall the title of PK is very vague .... need more revelation from oda ...

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

WB was the closest man to the One Piece aka Pirate King title. Kaido might never declares that he wants to be a PK but he needs it to wage war. Big Mom trying to become PK because she wants to unite all races under her command. And what's better than a PK unifying all races? Blackbeard wants to become both the PK and king of the world by taking down the World Government.