Isaac Netero vs Pre-TS Rob Lucci

#4
@Cinera has Netero at mach 300-ish, i'm not sure where Lucci stands exactly, but i heavily disagree with any scaling from Enel's lightning.
Netero isnt Mach 300 lol. All thats ever said is his hands move faster than Pre Rose Mereum's speed.

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Lucci got KOed by this.



Whilst Netero dishes this out...





Netero lands hundreds and thousands of hits in 40 seconds. Issa wrap for Lucci. Please just stop....
 
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Shuyaku

#5
Netero isnt Mach 300 lol. All thats ever said is his hands move faster than Pre Rose Mereum's speed.

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Lucci got KOed by this.



Whilst Netero dishes this out...





Netero lands hundreds and thousands of hits in 40 seconds. Issa wrap for Lucci. Please just stop....
Your pictures never work. Lucci could slice 3 buildings in a row with ease, tanked Elephant Gun that broke a steel door iirc, and basically equal to G2 Luffy in speed, who should be double digit mach range. If Netero is mach 300, he wins imo, i'm not buying into the bs putting Lucci at lightning speed, that's where OP's inconsistencies come in.

Stop what ? I'm not even arguing for Lucci lmfao.
 
#6
Your pictures never work. Lucci could slice 3 buildings in a row with ease, tanked Elephant Gun that broke a steel door iirc, and basically equal to G2 Luffy in speed, who should be double digit mach range. If Netero is mach 300, he wins imo, i'm not buying into the bs putting Lucci at lightning speed, that's where OP's inconsistencies come in.

Stop what ? I'm not even arguing for Lucci lmfao.
You cant see my pictures ?
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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#8
Netero lands hundreds and thousands of hits in 40 seconds.
That puts him in the hundreds of mach.
:sanmoji:


This battle is pretty fair as both are almost in the same ballpark and both fights mostly H2H

Distance 20 Meter

Who wins
@Cinera has Netero at mach 300-ish, i'm not sure where Lucci stands exactly, but i heavily disagree with any scaling from Enel's lightning.
Rob Lucci's VS Battles Profile
  • Attack Potency: large town level+
  • Speed: massively hypersonic+ (scaled of Khalifa and G2 Luffy)
  • Durability: large town level+
  • Range: hundreds of metres with rankyaku

Isaac Netero's VS Battles Profile
  • Attack Potency: small town level+
  • Speed: massively hypersonic
  • Durability: small town level+
  • Range: several kilometres with nen techniques

The above seems pretty accurate. Lucci's stats are superior, so he wins. Kamisori is faster than Netero's attacks, and Luffy would deal much more damage than him.


@Shuyaku: I disagree with your lightning reaction disagreements. By similar arguments, you could just argue that Borsalino's light isn't actually lightspeed, and that kind of objection is very tenuous. Furthermore, lightning reactions are not an isolated incident. We have multiple characters doing it preskip. Besides, the preskip supernova are already ~ mach 5000 for barely reacting to Borsalino's attacks (and that's well above the lightning speeds used to place Enel).

We also have laser dodging feats from preskip that get thrown out, so discarding the lightning is unnecessary. That lightning isn't useless against fast OP characters is again Oda not being that good with physics. We've seen OP characters dodge lasers preskip, and we know that some can fight with Borsalino. You can just assume some lightning attacks are much faster. Lightning speed isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things by OP standards. Not when we have relativistic+ Marco.


I can see the pictures.
 
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Shuyaku

#9
@Shuyaku: I disagree with your lightning reaction disagreements. By similar arguments, you could just argue that Borsalino's light isn't actually lightspeed, and that kind of objection is very tenuous. Furthermore, lightning reactions are not an isolated incident. We have multiple characters doing it preskip. Besides, the preskip supernova are already ~ mach 5000 for barely reacting to Borsalino's attacks (and that's well above the lightning speeds used to place Enel).
No because Kizaru being light speed comes from the propreties of his fruit. I'm not arguing Enel who manipulates natural lightning isn't lightning speed, i simply believe the feats of Luffy or Nami (literal average human level fodder garbage) reacting to that level of speed so early on is iffy.

Big Mom, top tier, was using Zeus as one of her main weapons, which is lightning, that she used to blitz the likes of Niji with, who is massively faster than Lucci via scaling, it doesn't add up.
 
#10
Damn....

How about now






With 99 hits he made a hole with the near width of the hills around it.

And Netero can land hundreds and thousands of hits in a minute. So again....like I said. Its a wrap. Netero neg diffs him in seconds.



One hit is deeper that Katakuri's strongest attack.




(Im kidding jk:mihanha:)
 
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Shuyaku

#12
Damn....

How about now






With 99 hits he made a hole with the near width of the hills around it.

And Netero can land hundreds and thousands of hits in a minute. So again....like I said. Its a wrap. Netero neg diffs him in seconds.



One hit is deeper that Katakuri's strongest attack.




(Im kidding jk:mihanha:)
I still can't. Guess my internet is garbage.

Netero seems way faster than Lucci.
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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#14
Nami (literal average human level fodder garbage)
Yeah I strongly disagree with this. Nami has and would continue to fight vastly superhuman fighters, her reaction and similar speeds were always going to be far higher than normal humans. All the Strawhats are vastly superhuman.

Again, Rob Lucci shouldn't be much slower than Preskip Supernova, and they are 4 digit hypersonic. A feat that is rightly discounted is Pacifista laser dodging preskip. There, an argument can be made that Zoro couldn't actually be relativistic, because his Supernova peers were getting turbo blitzed by Borsalino (even G2 Luffy got blitzed by him).


Big Mom, top tier, was using Zeus as one of her main weapons, which is lightning, that she used to blitz the likes of Niji with, who is massively faster than Lucci via scaling, it doesn't add up.
If Big Mom can successfully use her lightning against Borsalino what then? With PIS off, Big Mom's attacks should scale to her general speed level (whatever that is).


Netero fodder stomps lmao.
Nah, Lucci's stats are slightly better.
:goyea:
Rob Lucci's VS Battles Profile
  • Attack Potency: large town level+
  • Speed: massively hypersonic+ (scaled of Khalifa and G2 Luffy)
  • Durability: large town level+
  • Range: hundreds of metres with rankyaku

Isaac Netero's VS Battles Profile
  • Attack Potency: small town level+
  • Speed: massively hypersonic
  • Durability: small town level+
  • Range: several kilometres with nen techniques

The above seems pretty accurate. Lucci's stats are superior, so he wins. Kamisori is faster than Netero's attacks, and Luffy would deal much more damage than him.
Lucci has him beat in every relevant stat bar range, and that's not very useful in this fight.
 
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Shuyaku

#15
Yeah I strongly disagree with this. Nami has and would continue to fight vastly superhuman fighters, her reaction and similar speeds were always going to be far higher than normal humans. All the Strawhats are vastly superhuman.
Sanji failed to react to Enel, he was downed like a fodder by a casual move. Usopp also failed to. Nami has never been portrayed as being vastly superhuman physically, maybe only a little via scaling i guess, but lightning timer ? That's a big lmfao

If Big Mom can successfully use her lightning against Borsalino what then? With PIS of, Big Mom's attacks should scale to her general speed level (whatever that is).
That simply doesn't make sense. Goes back to your first point about arguing that Kizaru isn't light speed. There is no reason to argue a cloud made of lightning isn't lightning speed.

How fast is lightning btw ? I know it starts at mach 200-something, in which case, if we accept Lucci as a lightning timer, if we take the lower end value he could still be slower than Netero.
 
#16
Lucci....large town .....lvl

:pepeke:


Like this is why I hate these things. No actual logic goes into this. Like at all. Stop using these dumb shit please.

Netero again dumps on Lucci on feats provided. (Same way Post Rose Mereum dumped on Katakuri)

Next person who mentions energy is getting shot:pepestrike:
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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#17
Yeah it's pis, hence i'm not buying any of this lightning level shit in OP
Well we have many feats much better than that:
  • Law and Doflamingo reacting to Issho's meteors: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
  • Preskip Supernova reacting to Borsalino: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
  • Rayleigh intercepting Borsalino: 0.25c (relativistic)
  • Marco intercepting Yasaka no Magatama 0.57c (relativistic+)

We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.


Like this is why I hate these things. No actual logic goes into this. Like at all. Stop using these dumb shit please.

Netero again dumps on Lucci on feats provided. (Same way Post Rose Mereum dumped on Katakuri)
No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
:gonope:
 
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Shuyaku

#18
  • Law and Doflamingo reacting to Issho's meteors: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
Lucci doesn't scale to this in any way lmfao, so not very relevant. What is the conclusion for that speed though i'm curious.

  • Preskip Supernova reacting to Borsalino: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
pis. There is simply no other conclusion we can get from this.

  • Rayleigh intercepting Borsalino: 0.25c (relativistic)
Rayleigh is a top tier.

  • Marco intercepting Yasaka no Magatama 0.57c (relativistic+)
Marco also dumps on CP9 Lucci's entire existance so not relevant.

i'm seizing the lightning feats as far as lucci in concerned, who is a pre ts character, weaker than an individual pacifista, and fodder by current standards. I wasn't making a point that OP as a whole is slow, you know where i stand on this.
 
#20
Well we have many feats much better than that:
  • Law and Doflamingo reacting to Issho's meteors: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
  • Preskip Supernova reacting to Borsalino: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
  • Rayleigh intercepting Borsalino: 0.25c (relativistic)
  • Marco intercepting Yasaka no Magatama 0.57c (relativistic+)

We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.



No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
:gonope:
I dont know the first thing.....




Netero’s Hyakushiki Kannon First Hand





Netero hits Meruem with a single palm attack, resulting in a crater.



I have divided it up into one half spheroid, and two triangular prisms. Meruem, as revealed in a prior blog is 1.942 m tall. He’s 12 pixels here compared to 72 for diameter 1, 45 for diameter 2, 18 for triangular prism base 1, 25 for triangular prism 1 height, 23 for triangular prism 2 base, and 32 for the height of triangular prism 2. Finally, the cliff in the background is 120 pixels, which I’ll be using later.







72 / 12 = 6 * 1.942 = 11.652 m, diameter 1.

45 / 12 = 3.75 * 1.942 = 7.283 m, diameter 2.

18 / 12 = 1.5 * 1.942 = 2.913 m, base 1.

25 / 12 = 2.083 * 1.942 = 4.045 m, length 1.

23 / 12 = 1.917 * 1.942 = 3.723 m, base 2.

32 / 12 = 2.667 * 1.942 = 5.179 m, length 2.

120 / 12 = 10 * 1.942 = 19.42 m, height of cliff.




Meruem measures 358 pixels compared to 669, the depth of the crater.

669 / 358 = 1.869 * 1.942 = 3.63 m, depth.

Volume of half spheroid: 258.905 m^3

Volume of Triangular prism 1: 21.386 m^3

Volume of Triangular prism 2: 34.996 m^3

Total volume: 315.287 m^3

315.287 m^3 = 315,287,000 cm^3

This is cratering, so we use 87 J/cc.

315,287,000 * 87 = 27,429,969,000 J, or 6.556 Tons of TNT.


99 palms = 643.5 tons of tnt

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Netero can land hundreds of thousands hits in a minute. Lets just take that statement to 100, 000 hits each minute

100,000 palms = 650, 000 tons of tnt

So in 1 minute, Netero can produce that much

And we know he can keep this up for 16 hours since thats how long he can keep up his ren

16 hours = 960 minutes

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1 minute = 650,000 tons of tnt

960 minute = 624,000,000 tons of tnt.


In other words if Netero goes non-stop on Lucci.....( and he will till he dies).

Netero will produce a force of 624 megatons of tnt

And thats me just low-balling due to whats been given. Could easily 2-9 times greater.

Which would put it at 6 gigatons if we high ball......




You still think Lucci wins ?
 
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