Isaac Netero vs Pre-TS Rob Lucci
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Netero isnt Mach 300 lol. All thats ever said is his hands move faster than Pre Rose Mereum's speed.
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Lucci got KOed by this.
Whilst Netero dishes this out...
Netero lands hundreds and thousands of hits in 40 seconds. Issa wrap for Lucci. Please just stop....
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Lucci got KOed by this.
Whilst Netero dishes this out...
Netero lands hundreds and thousands of hits in 40 seconds. Issa wrap for Lucci. Please just stop....
Stop what ? I'm not even arguing for Lucci lmfao.
That puts him in the hundreds of mach.
Rob Lucci's VS Battles Profile
Isaac Netero's VS Battles Profile
The above seems pretty accurate. Lucci's stats are superior, so he wins. Kamisori is faster than Netero's attacks, and Luffy would deal much more damage than him.
@Shuyaku: I disagree with your lightning reaction disagreements. By similar arguments, you could just argue that Borsalino's light isn't actually lightspeed, and that kind of objection is very tenuous. Furthermore, lightning reactions are not an isolated incident. We have multiple characters doing it preskip. Besides, the preskip supernova are already ~ mach 5000 for barely reacting to Borsalino's attacks (and that's well above the lightning speeds used to place Enel).
We also have laser dodging feats from preskip that get thrown out, so discarding the lightning is unnecessary. That lightning isn't useless against fast OP characters is again Oda not being that good with physics. We've seen OP characters dodge lasers preskip, and we know that some can fight with Borsalino. You can just assume some lightning attacks are much faster. Lightning speed isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things by OP standards. Not when we have relativistic+ Marco.
I can see the pictures.
Rob Lucci's VS Battles Profile
- Attack Potency: large town level+
- Speed: massively hypersonic+ (scaled of Khalifa and G2 Luffy)
- Durability: large town level+
- Range: hundreds of metres with rankyaku
Isaac Netero's VS Battles Profile
- Attack Potency: small town level+
- Speed: massively hypersonic
- Durability: small town level+
- Range: several kilometres with nen techniques
The above seems pretty accurate. Lucci's stats are superior, so he wins. Kamisori is faster than Netero's attacks, and Luffy would deal much more damage than him.
@Shuyaku: I disagree with your lightning reaction disagreements. By similar arguments, you could just argue that Borsalino's light isn't actually lightspeed, and that kind of objection is very tenuous. Furthermore, lightning reactions are not an isolated incident. We have multiple characters doing it preskip. Besides, the preskip supernova are already ~ mach 5000 for barely reacting to Borsalino's attacks (and that's well above the lightning speeds used to place Enel).
We also have laser dodging feats from preskip that get thrown out, so discarding the lightning is unnecessary. That lightning isn't useless against fast OP characters is again Oda not being that good with physics. We've seen OP characters dodge lasers preskip, and we know that some can fight with Borsalino. You can just assume some lightning attacks are much faster. Lightning speed isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things by OP standards. Not when we have relativistic+ Marco.
I can see the pictures.
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No because Kizaru being light speed comes from the propreties of his fruit. I'm not arguing Enel who manipulates natural lightning isn't lightning speed, i simply believe the feats of Luffy or Nami (literal average human level fodder garbage) reacting to that level of speed so early on is iffy.
Big Mom, top tier, was using Zeus as one of her main weapons, which is lightning, that she used to blitz the likes of Niji with, who is massively faster than Lucci via scaling, it doesn't add up.
Big Mom, top tier, was using Zeus as one of her main weapons, which is lightning, that she used to blitz the likes of Niji with, who is massively faster than Lucci via scaling, it doesn't add up.
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Damn....
How about now
With 99 hits he made a hole with the near width of the hills around it.
And Netero can land hundreds and thousands of hits in a minute. So again....like I said. Its a wrap. Netero neg diffs him in seconds.
One hit is deeper that Katakuri's strongest attack.
(Im kidding jk
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How about now
With 99 hits he made a hole with the near width of the hills around it.
And Netero can land hundreds and thousands of hits in a minute. So again....like I said. Its a wrap. Netero neg diffs him in seconds.
One hit is deeper that Katakuri's strongest attack.
(Im kidding jk
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Netero seems way faster than Lucci.
Yeah I strongly disagree with this. Nami has and would continue to fight vastly superhuman fighters, her reaction and similar speeds were always going to be far higher than normal humans. All the Strawhats are vastly superhuman.
Again, Rob Lucci shouldn't be much slower than Preskip Supernova, and they are 4 digit hypersonic. A feat that is rightly discounted is Pacifista laser dodging preskip. There, an argument can be made that Zoro couldn't actually be relativistic, because his Supernova peers were getting turbo blitzed by Borsalino (even G2 Luffy got blitzed by him).
If Big Mom can successfully use her lightning against Borsalino what then? With PIS off, Big Mom's attacks should scale to her general speed level (whatever that is).
Nah, Lucci's stats are slightly better.
Lucci has him beat in every relevant stat bar range, and that's not very useful in this fight.
Again, Rob Lucci shouldn't be much slower than Preskip Supernova, and they are 4 digit hypersonic. A feat that is rightly discounted is Pacifista laser dodging preskip. There, an argument can be made that Zoro couldn't actually be relativistic, because his Supernova peers were getting turbo blitzed by Borsalino (even G2 Luffy got blitzed by him).
If Big Mom can successfully use her lightning against Borsalino what then? With PIS off, Big Mom's attacks should scale to her general speed level (whatever that is).
Nah, Lucci's stats are slightly better.
Lucci has him beat in every relevant stat bar range, and that's not very useful in this fight.
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Sanji failed to react to Enel, he was downed like a fodder by a casual move. Usopp also failed to. Nami has never been portrayed as being vastly superhuman physically, maybe only a little via scaling i guess, but lightning timer ? That's a big lmfao
That simply doesn't make sense. Goes back to your first point about arguing that Kizaru isn't light speed. There is no reason to argue a cloud made of lightning isn't lightning speed.
How fast is lightning btw ? I know it starts at mach 200-something, in which case, if we accept Lucci as a lightning timer, if we take the lower end value he could still be slower than Netero.
That simply doesn't make sense. Goes back to your first point about arguing that Kizaru isn't light speed. There is no reason to argue a cloud made of lightning isn't lightning speed.
How fast is lightning btw ? I know it starts at mach 200-something, in which case, if we accept Lucci as a lightning timer, if we take the lower end value he could still be slower than Netero.
Well we have many feats much better than that:
We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.
No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
- Law and Doflamingo reacting to Issho's meteors: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
- Preskip Supernova reacting to Borsalino: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
- Rayleigh intercepting Borsalino: 0.25c (relativistic)
- Marco intercepting Yasaka no Magatama 0.57c (relativistic+)
We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.
No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
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Lucci doesn't scale to this in any way lmfao, so not very relevant. What is the conclusion for that speed though i'm curious.
pis. There is simply no other conclusion we can get from this.
Rayleigh is a top tier.
Marco also dumps on CP9 Lucci's entire existance so not relevant.
i'm seizing the lightning feats as far as lucci in concerned, who is a pre ts character, weaker than an individual pacifista, and fodder by current standards. I wasn't making a point that OP as a whole is slow, you know where i stand on this.
pis. There is simply no other conclusion we can get from this.
Rayleigh is a top tier.
Marco also dumps on CP9 Lucci's entire existance so not relevant.
i'm seizing the lightning feats as far as lucci in concerned, who is a pre ts character, weaker than an individual pacifista, and fodder by current standards. I wasn't making a point that OP as a whole is slow, you know where i stand on this.
Well we have many feats much better than that:
We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.
No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
- Law and Doflamingo reacting to Issho's meteors: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
- Preskip Supernova reacting to Borsalino: 4 digit mach (MHS+)
- Rayleigh intercepting Borsalino: 0.25c (relativistic)
- Marco intercepting Yasaka no Magatama 0.57c (relativistic+)
We also have a plethora of laser dodging feats that we threw out just cause. Lightning timing is again dwarfed by many other feats in OP. It feels weird to me to seize on the lightning feats when there are many other even crazier feats.
No, you just don't know the first thing about crossverse battles.
Neteroβs Hyakushiki Kannon First Hand
Netero hits Meruem with a single palm attack, resulting in a crater.
I have divided it up into one half spheroid, and two triangular prisms. Meruem, as revealed in a prior blog is 1.942 m tall. Heβs 12 pixels here compared to 72 for diameter 1, 45 for diameter 2, 18 for triangular prism base 1, 25 for triangular prism 1 height, 23 for triangular prism 2 base, and 32 for the height of triangular prism 2. Finally, the cliff in the background is 120 pixels, which Iβll be using later.
72 / 12 = 6 * 1.942 = 11.652 m, diameter 1.
45 / 12 = 3.75 * 1.942 = 7.283 m, diameter 2.
18 / 12 = 1.5 * 1.942 = 2.913 m, base 1.
25 / 12 = 2.083 * 1.942 = 4.045 m, length 1.
23 / 12 = 1.917 * 1.942 = 3.723 m, base 2.
32 / 12 = 2.667 * 1.942 = 5.179 m, length 2.
120 / 12 = 10 * 1.942 = 19.42 m, height of cliff.
Meruem measures 358 pixels compared to 669, the depth of the crater.
669 / 358 = 1.869 * 1.942 = 3.63 m, depth.
Volume of half spheroid: 258.905 m^3
Volume of Triangular prism 1: 21.386 m^3
Volume of Triangular prism 2: 34.996 m^3
Total volume: 315.287 m^3
315.287 m^3 = 315,287,000 cm^3
This is cratering, so we use 87 J/cc.
315,287,000 * 87 = 27,429,969,000 J, or 6.556 Tons of TNT.
99 palms = 643.5 tons of tnt
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Netero can land hundreds of thousands hits in a minute. Lets just take that statement to 100, 000 hits each minute
100,000 palms = 650, 000 tons of tnt
So in 1 minute, Netero can produce that much
And we know he can keep this up for 16 hours since thats how long he can keep up his ren
16 hours = 960 minutes
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1 minute = 650,000 tons of tnt
960 minute = 624,000,000 tons of tnt.
In other words if Netero goes non-stop on Lucci.....( and he will till he dies).
Netero will produce a force of 624 megatons of tnt
And thats me just low-balling due to whats been given. Could easily 2-9 times greater.
Which would put it at 6 gigatons if we high ball......
You still think Lucci wins ?
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