Versus Battle Jojo’s bizarre adventure is Faster than Light

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is an aspect of Jojo people downplay because they supposedly say Araki is inconsistent or they say Araki isn’t paying attention to the physics of his feats or they say Stands are FTL but not humans (which doesn’t make sense since humans are controlling stands so the Stands’ FTL feats can’t be possible if humans can’t react at that same speed as their stands)

Well let’s get into it. What are the arguments and what are the counter arguments?

Here’s a quick video of someone attempting a scaling.

 

[Daniel]

Can the stand users themselves keep up with the agility/speed of opposing stands, as well as their own in the heat of combat?

They should scale if they do.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Can the stand users themselves keep up with the agility/speed of opposing stands, as well as their own in the heat of combat?

They should scale if they do.

They do. Stands aren’t automatic. By the time they can make their stands react to opposing stands then that means they have comparable reaction speeds to them

also yes there’s multiple examples of the stand user himself dodging stand attacks

 

[Daniel]

They do. Stands aren’t automatic. By the time they can make their stands react to opposing stands then that means they have comparable reaction speeds to them

also yes there’s multiple examples of the stand user himself dodging stand attacks

For reference, this was the feat that yielded the highest speed when it was calculated. It was somewhere around ~220x lightspeed?

http://imgur.com/a/fgDn6RV

 

[RogerRogerd]

They do. Stands aren’t automatic. By the time they can make their stands react to opposing stands then that means they have comparable reaction speeds to them

also yes there’s multiple examples of the stand user himself dodging stand attacks

A little misleading, there are Stands that are automatic such as Sheer Heart Attack or Black Sabbath. There are also a good handful that possess some level of sentience (?) like Hey Ya or Gold Experience Requiem. So there's a gap in control/connection to stands for any given Stand user. Obvious example is Jotaro who has been shown to have great vision and greater than average reaction speed. Star Platinum also has incredible eysight and reaction speed obviously. In the case of someone like Jotaro it can be argued that his actual physical reaction speed (not only his Stand) can be FTL or ATL scaled to Star Platinum.
I do think that in general though, Stand users have faster reflexes and better senses than regular humans, given the shenanigans that occur whenever Stand users are out in public doing their crazy shit and getting away with it 99% of the time.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

A little misleading, there are Stands that are automatic such as Sheer Heart Attack or Black Sabbath. There are also a good handful that possess some level of sentience (?) like Hey Ya or Gold Experience Requiem. So there's a gap in control/connection to stands for any given Stand user. Obvious example is Jotaro who has been shown to have great vision and greater than average reaction speed. Star Platinum also has incredible eysight and reaction speed obviously. In the case of someone like Jotaro it can be argued that his actual physical reaction speed (not only his Stand) can be FTL or ATL scaled to Star Platinum.
I do think that in general though, Stand users have faster reflexes and better senses than regular humans, given the shenanigans that occur whenever Stand users are out in public doing their crazy shit and getting away with it 99% of the time.

I know automatic stands exist… then again automatic stands are usually also given the caveat of being limited in either speed or power or mobility in general… hence why they can’t be used for the general scaling of stand users vs Stands

 

[RayanOO]

This is an aspect of Jojo people downplay because they supposedly say Araki is inconsistent or they say Araki isn’t paying attention to the physics of his feats or they say Stands are FTL but not humans (which doesn’t make sense since humans are controlling stands so the Stands’ FTL feats can’t be possible if humans can’t react at that same speed as their stands)

Well let’s get into it. What are the arguments and what are the counter arguments?

Here’s a quick video of someone attempting a scaling.

I never bought the « faster than light » stands

It doesn’t match the overall power calling and is contradicted by other feats and statements

Same for the ice man in part 5 that was chasing after a car in a stand suit. My man wasn’t FTL at all lol

People doesn’t interpret well the hanged man feat at all and Araki bs statements doesn’t help

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I never bought the « faster than light » stands

It doesn’t match the overall power calling and is contradicted by other feats and statements

Same for the ice man in part 5 that was chasing after a car in a stand suit. My man wasn’t FTL at all lol

People doesn’t interpret well the hanged man feat at all and Araki bs statements doesn’t help

The ice man is travel speed, not reaction speed

the ha German feat isn’t the only time characters dodge light in the series

 

[MonochromeYoru]

jjba is ftl the same way one piece is ftl because goofy dodged some beams.

In that they aren't really. You can point to some rare instances where they are ftl. But the vast majority of the time, they are so fucking slow.

Only vs battle nerds care about that.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

jjba is ftl the same way one piece is ftl because goofy dodged some beams.

In that they aren't really. You can point to some rare instances where they are ftl. But the vast majority of the time, they are so fucking slow.

Only vs battle nerds care about that.

Don’t forget Zoro also dodged light beams, pre time skip too

So if we doing a vs battle and like someone shoots a laser beam at Jotaro or Zoro, should either jotaro or Zoro get hit or not?

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Don’t forget Zoro also dodged light beams, pre time skip too

So if we doing a vs battle and like someone shoots a laser beam at Jotaro or Zoro, should either jotaro or Zoro get hit or not?

The way i see it, the "light speed" statements from any series that only has those statements alone and no other actual feats, should be discarded.

But as i said, vs battle nerds won't think like that. Their whole thing is taking even the miniscule statements and blowing it out of proportion to back up their favorite characters and series.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

no other actual feats, should be discarded.

But there are feats… There are feats of characters reacting to light speed

it’s not just statements

 

[MonochromeYoru]

But there are feats… There are feats of characters reacting to light speed

it’s not just statements

No...

Characters are reacting to "light speed" from the statements.

Like, Kuma says his pads are lightspeed. There's no real evidence for it. It's just mangaka talk for "really fast".

In wano, goofy and zolo couldn't even catch up to a dude who was 200 mph lol

 

[RayanOO]

The ice man is travel speed, not reaction speed

the ha German feat isn’t the only time characters dodge light in the series

Reaction speed is often faster than reaction speed, it’s true
But
You can’t react 100000000 faster than your are moving

White album traveling at 100/150km/h

if you can move your arms and legs to parry or block at LS you don’t run at 100km/h

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You have way more situations where the characters aren’t moving or fighting at LS than the opposite

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You can’t react 100000000 faster than your are moving

You can, if the fiction says you can

In the fiction of Jojo’s light speed attacks can’t be dodged and reacted to

that’s how Araki has written the logic of his world… So that’s what we have to consider

Like, Kuma says his pads are lightspeed. There's no real evidence for it. It's just mangaka talk for "really fast".

Kizaru’s lasers are also said to be light speed… That’s a statement right? Do you want proof as to whether Kizaru’s lasers actually are light speed or?

And Zoro dodged Kuma’s lasers which are are as fast as Kizaru’s lasers… So clearly it’s consistent across the board that Zoro can already dodge at light speed in that fight… That’s not even counting Kuma’s paw pads

 

[Daniel]

Reaction speed is often faster than reaction speed, it’s true
But
You can’t react 100000000 faster than your are moving

White album traveling at 100/150km/h

if you can move your arms and legs to parry or block at LS you don’t run at 100km/h

These reaction feats tend to be shown in very brief instances, or in short bursts, for the lack of a better word. It's a speed that can't be sustained by the characters (who scale to it) for long distances unless it's something that's shown on screen.

But your argument is solid though. Lack of consistency by authors who illustrate the feat lead to misunderstandings though.

 

[RayanOO]

Kizaru’s lasers are also said to be light speed… That’s a statement right? Do you want proof as to whether Kizaru’s lasers actually are light speed or?

And Zoro dodged Kuma’s lasers which are are as fast as Kizaru’s lasers… So clearly it’s consistent across the board that Zoro can already dodge at light speed in that fight… That’s not even counting Kuma’s paw pads

Nope it’s not consistent

Dodging a laser beam isn’t being light speed

Kizaru is moving at LS with his DF and is 100 times faster than pre TS Zoro or any SN

Pre TS zoro isn’t LS at all, not in reaction speed or anything

 

[Steven]

Joseph has a FTL feat
http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...og-entry/joseph-avoids-castration-jjba.20733/

And every Stand who is comparable to Silver Chariot, who could intercept Hanged Man millimeters away from the reflective surface of a coin,is FTL+

 

[RayanOO]

Joseph has a FTL feat
http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...og-entry/joseph-avoids-castration-jjba.20733/

And Kars was pressured by nazi Gatling gun

and only with light blade mode he was able to cut the bullet extremely fast. But it’s telling that people are shocked that he is cutting normal bullets

it’s fucking not LS

 

[Daniel]

Dodging a laser beam isn’t being light speed

It's somewhere within that lightspeed range, or sometimes even faster because a lot of these laser dodging feats show these characters evading them at relatively close range.

Plus in that Kars scan, he casually managed to cut through those multiple bullets from that gatling gun and an argument could be made for Kars (at the very least) scaling directly to the speed of those ammunition, which should be faster than normal, moving fast enough to generate enough kinetic energy to pierce through 3cm thic steel plates and all