Break Week Kaido and his crew were seen as a bigger threat to Whitebeard than Marineford.

Iam25

Iam25

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http://imgur.com/kiZfWpb

http://imgur.com/FjzpIG5

Lets break the scene down.

Izo says they found out a few years after it happened. Hence it they had to find out a few years before the scene. Whitebeard is clearly healthier than stronger at that point than he ever was in marineford. Maybe not primebeard but close. Marco confirms they were considering it several times but didn't because of the sacrifices. Ace then asks to be sent ALONE. The sacrifices being Whitebeard crew mates, not Wano. As Wano is being occupied. No matter how you look at the scene its pretty clear, Whitebeard, even one closer to his prime than Marineford viewed Kaido as powerful enough to not attack.


Now some of you will argue Oden was a case of revenge, while they were going to rescue Ace but



http://imgur.com/a/UuILVby

Unstoppable is the name of the chapter itself. Garp who knows Whitebeard personally doesnt think the war can be stopped even if Ace is alive. Whitebeard attacked MF and would have if Ace were dead or alive. Proof? Storywise why not just kill Ace in that weeklong span they had him. Why signal you are going to execute Ace and not just execute him and have WB not attack

So didn't Roger avoid Big Mom? Funny how to two elder Yonko are the only people WB and Roger avoides.

Add in the entirety of Marineford backing down from Shanks and lol its pretty clear yonko>> admirals.

And that is a fruitless Yonko


So anyone, anyone claiming white beard didn't attack Kaido because he doesn't risk his kids for revenge has gone in serious headcanon mode.
 
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Iam25

Iam25

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My theory is this. Admirals powers limit out at changing the surface of islands. What akainu and aokiji did at PH only changed the surface. Yonko or the stronger was can chanfe islands to the core. Whitebeard possibly sinking marineford and Kaido moving Onigashima. Theoretically if all the marines were gathered in one spot whats to stop kaido from dropping an island on them and killing them all? Or PrimeBeard sinking it?


Celestial D. Dragon said:
Whitebeard went to war with the Marines because there was value in putting their lives on the line to save one of their own.

There is no value to put his and his crews lives on the line for revenge.
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Did you read any of the scans i posted? That's headcanon. And just further evidence admirals equalling the Yonko is built on denial
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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Iam25 said:
http://imgur.com/kiZfWpb

http://imgur.com/FjzpIG5

Lets break the scene down.

Izo says they found out a few years after it happened. Hence it they had to find out a few years before the scene. Whitebeard is clearly healthier than stronger at that point than he ever was in marineford. Maybe not primebeard but close. Marco confirms they were considering it several times but didn't because of the sacrifices. Ace then asks to be sent ALONE. The sacrifices being Whitebeard crew mates, not Wano. As Wano is being occupied. No matter how you look at the scene its pretty clear, Whitebeard, even one closer to his prime than Marineford viewed Kaido as powerful enough to not attack.


Now some of you will argue Oden was a case of revenge, while they were going to rescue Ace but



http://imgur.com/a/UuILVby

Unstoppable is the name of the chapter itself. Garp who knows Whitebeard personally doesnt think the war can be stopped even if Ace is alive. Whitebeard attacked MF and would have if Ace were dead or alive. Proof? Storywise why not just kill Ace in that weeklong span they had him. Why signal you are going to execute Ace and not just execute him and have WB not attack

So didn't Roger avoid Big Mom? Funny how to two elder Yonko are the only people WB and Roger avoides.

Add in the entirety of Marineford backing down from Shanks and lol its pretty clear yonko>> admirals.

And that is a fruitless Yonko


So anyone, anyone claiming white beard didn't attack Kaido because he doesn't risk his kids for revenge has gone in serious headcanon mode.
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We can clearly see that Whitebeard has no medical devices around him, which means this is Old Whitebeard a slightly weaker version than his PRIME and not the sickly Whitebeard.

But look, Whitebeard got news of ODEN's death a few years later and not decades later, and it was his PRIME version, the PRIME version of WB that didn't decide to attack WANO, ACE went to WANO and learned about ODEN and learned about the subtylation that WANO's country was in, (I don't remember well but I think ACE was not yet a member of the WB crew) only after a few years ACE was recruited and came to talk to the WB about wano and Oden, but that was something that the WB already knew, as IZOU himself claims.​


Second point, Whitebeard disease was not popular knowledge the fact that its strength regressed over time and worsened further with the disease was not popular knowledge, it affected their combat skills and their endurance on the battlefield when KAIDO threatened to eliminate Whitebeard, which version of Whitebeard was he referring to?

The OLD WB version without illness, as its illness was not popular knowledge.

PRIME WB > OLD WB > SICK WB.

If Kaido considers himself superior to the OLD version of WB to the point of insinuating that he is going to kill him, he is playing in the same league as WB PRIME.
When KAIDO threatens to kill OLD Whitebeard, he doesn't recognize the existence of any gaps, but sees himself superior to him.

"The violent pirate of the four emperors seeks supremacy in the new world and cruelly obliterates his rivals! Kaido is one of the four emperors and a great pirate of the SAME caliber as Whitebeard and Shanks.

Absolute veteran in the new world who has defeated countless pirates who challenged him as Moriah, a royal Shichibukai and conquered an absolute position on the seas.

Ambitious, if he feels the opportunity to take the head of another emperor, he will do anything to seize it.

In the face of his strength, even the Shichibukai Moriah was annihilated.
Kaido is an insurmountable barrier for those who venture into the new world.

He tried to take Whitebeard's head while Whitebeard was going to ACE's rescue! Always wanting a battle.
What is synonymous insurmountable?
5 synonyms of insurmountable for 2 meanings of the word insurmountable:
unsurpassed, invincible, irremovable,impractical, impassable.

The funny thing is that in NOVEL ACE, when he mentions that Whitebeard is the strongest pirate in the world and the strongest man in the world, the author is silent about BIG MOM and SHANKS, but gives a reason for us to consider KAIDO > WHITEBEARD.

According to some information collected by Skull from the Spades Pirates, Whitebeard is the strongest pirate in the world.
But the author of this novel says it is not easy to define the word “stronger”.
Skull loves anything about pirates and collects pirate wares.
He believes that Kaidou is the strongest in the 1-on-1 fight.
He adds that Kaidou is the "strongest creature".
He wouldn't die even if you tried to kill him.​
 
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Iam25

Iam25

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You know what the funniest part of the last scan I posted is? It confirms garp thinks Whitebeard rules the seas. Not the marines. So if Whitebeard were 15-20 years younger they would have sank Marineford into the ground
 
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JoNdule

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Wait for them to make excuses

"Few years after it happened.." which means it was 15-18 years ago
WB was in his late 50s and healthy when he found out that Oden died.
We know he got sick only about 5-7 years ago in his late 60s
WB kept avoiding a war with Kaido for 10+ years despite being healthy and in prime back then.

WB knows that Kaido will probably beat him 1v1 and outlast him while he didn't mind fighting Linlin these past 20 years.
Same way Roger knew that Linlin isn't friendly like WB wherr they can stop fighting midway to eat or not really fight all out. He didn't wanna risk a death battle while being already sick
The battle between Great Pirates like Xebec, Roger, WB, Kaido, Linlin and Shiki is always high-high diff/extreme diff.
 
Iam25

Iam25

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I'm really just starting to believe as a whole the strongest marines are a tier below their pirate contemporaries,

Prime Sengoku and Garp are weaker than Big Mom and Kaido by a noticeable margin is my hill. Even Garp and Sengoku know Whitebeard is stronger than them. Its not questioned. A half head Whitebeard made Blackbeard beg for mercy. Sengoku couldn't even ohko weaklings like Burgess and Auger who were to weak to fight Ace.
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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Iam25 said:
http://imgur.com/kiZfWpb

http://imgur.com/FjzpIG5

Lets break the scene down.

Izo says they found out a few years after it happened. Hence it they had to find out a few years before the scene. Whitebeard is clearly healthier than stronger at that point than he ever was in marineford. Maybe not primebeard but close. Marco confirms they were considering it several times but didn't because of the sacrifices. Ace then asks to be sent ALONE. The sacrifices being Whitebeard crew mates, not Wano. As Wano is being occupied. No matter how you look at the scene its pretty clear, Whitebeard, even one closer to his prime than Marineford viewed Kaido as powerful enough to not attack.


Now some of you will argue Oden was a case of revenge, while they were going to rescue Ace but



http://imgur.com/a/UuILVby

Unstoppable is the name of the chapter itself. Garp who knows Whitebeard personally doesnt think the war can be stopped even if Ace is alive. Whitebeard attacked MF and would have if Ace were dead or alive. Proof? Storywise why not just kill Ace in that weeklong span they had him. Why signal you are going to execute Ace and not just execute him and have WB not attack

So didn't Roger avoid Big Mom? Funny how to two elder Yonko are the only people WB and Roger avoides.

Add in the entirety of Marineford backing down from Shanks and lol its pretty clear yonko>> admirals.

And that is a fruitless Yonko


So anyone, anyone claiming white beard didn't attack Kaido because he doesn't risk his kids for revenge has gone in serious headcanon mode.
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You watched KOL's video didn't u
 
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omegalul

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"Storywise why not just kill Ace in that weeklong span they had him. Why signal you are going to execute Ace and not just execute him and have WB not attack "

because then they get to kill a yonko and execute the son of roger :cheers:

Also flashback wb was already sick, we know he had the illness before ace joined + fake new saying "kaido beat oden", when it was "kaido cheapshotted oden"
 
Iam25

Iam25

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So then why didn't they kill shanks. 3 birds with 1 stone. Or. Maybe 2 yonko are too much. Plus we all know Whitebeard is stronger than Oden by a decent margin that shouldn't matter. And whitwbeard wasn't that old when they first considered it. In fact why risk war with the "king of the seas" who gets older and older every year?
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MonsterKaido

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For now lets say Marco/Jozu/Vista > King/Queen/Jack ; Rest of commanders > F6 + Numbers ; 20,000 members help F6 and numbers and 10,000 samurai's help commanders hence they get overwhelmed; rest of WB allies are not going to be > WB pirates themselves

Then there is poison gas , better ships in BP..........they win

Only Prime WB > kaido but kaido > Old sick WB
 
Xlaw

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Well Ace was alive and in Kaidos case not only Oden was dead but he left WB's ship to join his rival. And never returned to them
 
Iam25

Iam25

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Xlaw said:
Well Ace was alive and in Kaidos case not only Oden was dead but he left WB's ship to join his rival. And never returned to them
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Prime case of people not reading scans when they disagree. Or just reading at all.
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Just a member

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Oda screwed the plot. At Marineford, and before, WB was presented like an absolute monster and you should never ever try to harm one of his crewmates/sons. Then there was the problem with Oden being part of WB's crew and killed by Kaido so he put up the "sacrifice crewmates" stuff. Then what about Marineford? He lose a ton of crewmates/sons too, I get he maybe was looking for a good place to die but if that of Wano was his mindset then screw Ace too, right? And so screw WB's legend about not touching his crew. That or there were double standards since Ace was a special case.
 
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