Questions & Mysteries Kaido was never the strongest like how Wb was never the wsm in Marineford

[Tai long]

Since it is general consensus that old whitebeard was not the actual world strongest man in marineford making world strongest title not omnipotent then it means that it should also apply to kaido who was in his prime and was known as the world strongest creature but if the final villain (probably imu) who is alive and is probably at full power already is stronger than kaido doesn't that mean that kaido was never the world strongest creature in the first place. so there are 3 options
1. world strongest title are meaningless and are given in world and are not 100% accurate until oda himself says so outside
2. world strongest title are accurate meaning old and sick whitebeard is stronger than everyman including mihawk, akainu and so on in marineford before he was stabbed
3. The final villain is not yet at full power. since it should be obvious that blackbeard is not the final villain (headcanon)

 

[Finalbeta]

Kaido was WSM to the eyes of the beholders but those eyes were limited

 

[Chiji_]

The titles are a perception thing I suppose, yes people can be stronger than those w titles but it needs to be proven. Like you said I fully believe in Imu being the strongest around and it’s okay because the public isn’t aware of who he is. It’s also true that characters can grow passed those who are considered the strongest and the titles wouldn’t be a lie because characters are allowed to grow. Zoro will surpass Mihawk and it’s only going to take one fight to prove he’s stronger.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Kaido, unlike WB, isn't old nor does have any sickness.
So his title is legit.

And Imu is pretty much irrelevant at this moment and probably won't be that strong like many people think.

 

[Shasha23]

Since it is general consensus that old whitebeard was not the actual world strongest man in marineford making world strongest title not omnipotent then it means that it should also apply to kaido who was in his prime and was known as the world strongest creature but if the final villain (probably imu) who is alive and is probably at full power already is stronger than kaido doesn't that mean that kaido was never the world strongest creature in the first place. so there are 3 options
1. world strongest title are meaningless and are given in world and are not 100% accurate until oda himself says so outside
2. world strongest title are accurate meaning old and sick whitebeard is stronger than everyman including mihawk, akainu and so on in marineford before he was stabbed
3. The final villain is not yet at full power. since it should be obvious that blackbeard is not the final villain (headcanon)

You are such a baby

I disproved your delusional motions now you created a thread just so you can cope , Ill remind yu again, Newgate himself said he wasnt the strongest anymore during the war, Kaidou nor Mihawk have ever come out and said they arent the strongest

 

[Akainu]

You are such a baby

I disproved your delusional motions now you created a thread just so you can cope , Ill remind yu again, Newgate himself said he wasnt the strongest anymore during the war, Kaidou nor Mihawk have ever come out and said they arent the strongest

panel?

 

[SkySanji]

Stupid comparison, Kaido isn't Whitebeard, what makes Whitebeard's title invalid doesn't just automatically do the same with Kaido's

And Imu is obviously an exception to all titles because pretty much nobody in the verse knows he exists, and it's not like Imu is confirmed to be strong yet either.

 

[ako]

No one bar the Gorosei (and maybe Dragon) even know that Imu exists. So all the World strongest titles are awarded without taking Imu into consideration.

Imu must be either weak and just more of a religious leader (like the Pope) or he is by far the strongest character in one piece. There is no middle ground imo. I expect him to be the final boss so second option more likely for me.

 

[Tai long]

Stupid comparison, Kaido isn't Whitebeard, what makes Whitebeard's title invalid doesn't just automatically do the same with Kaido's

And Imu is obviously an exception to all titles because pretty much nobody in the verse knows he exists, and it's not like Imu is confirmed to be strong yet either.

why is imu an exception to the titles, if there is an exception then the was titles are invalid

 

[SkySanji]

why is imu an exception to the titles, if there is an exception then the was titles are invalid

Because Imu's existence is unknown, and again, Imu might not even be strong, everything you're saying in this thread is complete conjecture.

 

[Tai long]

The titles are a perception thing I suppose, yes people can be stronger than those w titles but it needs to be proven. Like you said I fully believe in Imu being the strongest around and it’s okay because the public isn’t aware of who he is. It’s also true that characters can grow passed those who are considered the strongest and the titles wouldn’t be a lie because characters are allowed to grow. Zoro will surpass Mihawk and it’s only going to take one fight to prove he’s stronger.

all I just want to confirm is that titles are given by people in the one piece verse and are not omnipotent meaning a man can still be stronger than the wsm title holder

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Because Imu's existence is unknown, and again, Imu might not even be strong, everything you're saying in this thread is complete conjecture.

even if imus existence is unknown by people at least oda know about him so if imu is the final villain and his stronger than kaido then it means kaidos title was useless in the first place if imu was always stronger

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Imagine WB as a Heavyweight boxer with the greatest record, a draw against the now retired GOAT and owner of 3 belts with 15 title defences. For a long time he has been the WSM. But he is now pushing 40 years old.

Imagine Kaido as a Heavyweight boxer with one out of 4 belts. Many believe he is WSC and undefeatable in a 1vs1 physically and he is also very strong mentally. Perhaps WB with his experience and technique can rival him, but no one else can beat this 30 year old prime monster who knocks everybody out inside 4 rounds.

Now there are a couple of dark horses entering the fray.

Blackbeard is waiting patiently for WB to get weaker by the day and the moment he sees Kaido get an injury he will demand a match up for his belt, until then he is content lurking and won't gun for the top spot. Still only 25 time is on his side.

Luffy is the young hot head blazing through the rankings. He is much too raw but he is learning fast, getting stronger by the day and has ambition to match any one of them. Being 19 he is regarded as the future of the division if he only plays his cards right.

 

[Fujishiro]

The manga litteraly telling us Kaido needed JB to be defeated, that he himself thought he cannot be brought down. That he is called the strongest Pirate,etc and you still have threads like these lmfao. Never change WG.

You are such a baby

I disproved your delusional motions now you created a thread just so you can cope , Ill remind yu again, Newgate himself said he wasnt the strongest anymore during the war, Kaidou nor Mihawk have ever come out and said they arent the strongest

Kaido litteraly on panel thought to himself that there was ''No being capable of bringing him down'', this was with Shanks being alive as well as other top tiers.

 

[Shasha23]

Kaido litteraly on panel thought to himself that there was ''No being capable of bringing him down'', this was with Shanks being alive as well as other top tiers.

This thread is agenda-driven because if the world's strongest titles are valid, which they are, it means their fav characters are not as strong as they wish them to be meaning their stupid character ranking lists are by default stupid, so they make stupid threads like this to try and say titles that Oda gave his characters are invalid.

 

[Fujishiro]

This thread is agenda-driven because if the world's strongest titles are valid, which they are, it means their fav characters are not as strong as they wish them to be meaning their stupid character ranking lists are by default stupid, so they make stupid threads like this to try and say titles that Oda gave his characters are invalid.

I mean this has been the case since Kaido was introduced. I have seen many try to discredit Mihawk and Kaido by bringing up how WB wasnt the strongest in MF and Im like context matters you know.

 

[Chiji_]

all I just want to confirm is that titles are given by people in the one piece verse and are not omnipotent meaning a man can still be stronger than the wsm title holder

Yes I would say this is true

 

[Fujishiro]

Yes I would say this is true

Who's this swordsman stronger than Mihawk? Clearly Zoro been wanting to surpass the wrong dude according to you.

 

[Gorosei]

Kaido was the Strongest KNOWN living thing. Includes Whitebeard, FraudHawk, Garp, and pretty much everyone else.

Does NOT include Im who's very existence is a secret.

 

[Chiji_]

Who's this swordsman stronger than Mihawk? Clearly Zoro been wanting to surpass the wrong dude according to you.

I think you’re taking this the wrong way, I’m saying that it is possible that people can be stronger than title holders due to them either being unknowns or that they simply grew stronger and haven’t had a chance to prove that. You took it as me saying every title is false and shouldn’t ever be taken seriously, that isn’t what I’m saying at all.

 

[Tai long]

Who's this swordsman stronger than Mihawk? Clearly Zoro been wanting to surpass the wrong dude according to you.

what I am trying to say is hypothetically if zoro and mihawk are to fight their final battle and zoro does not get a power-up mid battle and if he beats mihawk then that means zoro was stronger than mihawk before they fought and mihawks wss tittle was false