Versus Battle Kanmei army vs Seika Army

[RayanOO]

Kanmei army is composed of : Kanmei, Rinbukun, Hakurei and Kou Yoku (Juuko Hakurei and Yoku)

Seika army is composed of SBS, Kansaro, Jiaga and Gakushou

same number neutral ground

Bonus round : if you think SBS side loses add Jyou Ka Ryuu

let’s goooo

@Elder Lee Hung @Owl Ki @BanditKanki @Cichy @Bullet @TheKnightOfTheSea @Pirao @Ninjashadow0209 @FutureWarrior123 @Blackbeard @SakazOuki @God Buggy etc etc

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Me pondering this matchup

The problem for Kanmei is definitely his subs. Jyoukaryuu almost took Shin’s head off, and Shibashou’s other generals are all relative to Gakushou while let’s be real, the Chu rookies are similar to Shin but weaker.

Shibashou really is the Zhao Kanmei, his ceiling isn’t known yet but his hype as a warrior has just been completely insane. Shibashou might be a bit weaker than Kanmei but he also might be a bit smarter. Overall I see he and Kanmei on a similar level, which is slightly above high Qin6 level.

Overall I would say Seika extreme diffs due to having slightly superior subordinates, even without Jyoukaryuu.

 

[SakazOuki]

The Kanmei army destroys them

 

[RayanOO]

The Kanmei army destroys them

Me pondering this matchup

The problem for Kanmei is definitely his subs. Jyoukaryuu almost took Shin’s head off, and Shibashou’s other generals are all relative to Gakushou while let’s be real, the Chu rookies are similar to Shin but weaker.

Shibashou really is the Zhao Kanmei, his ceiling isn’t known yet but his hype as a warrior has just been completely insane. Shibashou might be a bit weaker than Kanmei but he also might be a bit smarter. Overall I see he and Kanmei on a similar level, which is slightly above high Qin6 level.

Overall I would say Seika extreme diffs due to having slightly superior subordinates, even without Jyoukaryuu.

Yoku is likely be the strongest commander here and can likely beat Kansaro in a duel

But I think Kansaro and Gakushou are overall better at warfare than either RBK Yoku or Hakurei

And they aren’t weaklings martially at all

And Jiaga is likely at RBK level

So I can agree that Seika subs aren’t below Kanmei ones

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yoku is likely be the strongest commander here and can likely beat Kansaro in a duel

Idk if I’d put him there yet, all he’s done is clash with Tou once and clash with Ranbihaku once. He’s probably up there but “strongest commander here?” Nah too early to say that.

And Jiaga is likely at RBK level

You basically have Shibashou with 3 ~Ranbihaku level subs, vs Kanmei with 2 dudes on the cusp of Ranbihaku level and one dude clearly beneath (Rinbukun)

 

[SakazOuki]

Yoku is likely be the strongest commander here and can likely beat Kansaro in a duel

But I think Kansaro and Gakushou are overall better at warfare than either RBK Yoku or Hakurei

And they aren’t weaklings martially at all

And Jiaga is likely at RBK level

So I can agree that Seika subs aren’t below Kanmei ones

Kanmei army doesn't give 2 craps about Seika and their resolve, those tricks wont work on them. Undefeated commander and army, wiped out a big chunk of China, led by, for years, the strongest most supreme fighting general in China. Shibashou likely wont even force Kanmei to take up the mace

 

[Bullet]

Kanmei conquers his 101 city for the mighty Chu.

You basically have Shibashou with 3 ~Ranbihaku level subs, vs Kanmei with 2 dudes on the cusp of Ranbihaku level and one dude clearly beneath (Rinbukun)

Bro, what?
You keep deep throating these losers but there should be a limit
Kansaro slays a couple of fodders and is Ranbihaku level?
GKS fails to slay Akou in a 3 v 1 and becomes Ranbihaku level too?
Ranbihaku > Ji Aga > Old fuck > Kansaro > Gakushou
Kou Yoku slays any of these Seika bums 💯 in a duel and Rinbunkun most likely beats them all too with the only one having a chance against him being Ji Aga

Kanmei > SBS
His subs > Seika bums
Chu army > Zhao army

 

[GodofDarkness]

Shibashou is stronger than Mobou let alone Kanmei.

 

[BanditKanki]

If you accept that Kouyoku scales to Shin/Ouhon then it’s a huge difference.

How do the matches pair up?

I side with Chu. I don’t think SBS beats Kanmei in a duel and Kouyoku wins his, I think.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You keep deep throating these losers but there should be a limit

I’m not deepthroating anyone, Hara is.

Jyoukaryuu almost took Shin’s head off 1v1. This was a post Houken Shin failing to push Jyoukaryuu to mid diff. Cry/bitch/moan/piss and shit all you want, it won’t change anything regarding Jyoukaryuu being above Gian Shin.

Kansaro is stronger than Jyoukaryuu, Jiaga said that Kansaro was the only one he’d ever met who he could call his equal, and Jiaga is obviously above Jyoukaryuu. So by that logic Kansaro and Jiaga would body Shin harder than Jyoukaryuu did.

Kou Yoku slays any of these Seika bums 💯 in a duel

Hilarious. Yoku would be lucky to push Shin to extreme diff and Shin loses to any of the Seika gang aside from maybe Gakushou who’s true strength isn’t really known.

Now Ranbihaku is around the Seika gang’s level which is what I said from the start, despite Ranbihaku failing to overpower trash like Bum To Un who couldn’t overpower the same Rokuomi that Yoko swatted around like a fly.

Look at this weak fraudulent bitch incapable of overpowering Rokuomi. This is what a real warrior does to Rokuomi:

So yeah Ranbihaku should be greatful that I’m even comparing him to the Seika gang, this is the greatest honor of his miserable life considering he couldn’t overcome trash like Sento’Un who Yoko Yoko would squash like a bug.

 

[RayanOO]

His subs > Seika bums

Martially maybe but tactically / smart Gakushou is unmatched here and likely Kansaro too

Chu army > Zhao army

Seika army is really strong
Their moral with their leader is top notch

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If you accept that Kouyoku scales to Shin/Ouhon then it’s a huge difference.

It’s Juuko Yoku / Hakurei

not current one

 

[Bullet]

Seika army is really strong
Their moral with their leader is top notch

Seika army is like 5k
The rest of them is normal Zhao armies that don't have that Seika loyalty or intense moral or whatever while the Chu army acknowledges and has served Kanmei in all his battles
Just vanguard of his army which are Moubu sized giants outnumber the actual Seika forces

Martially maybe but tactically / smart Gakushou is unmatched here and likely Kansaro too

Hakurei should be a tactical match for either and Yoku beats the other anyway
Let Ji Aga and Rinbunkun unga bunga each other

 

[RayanOO]

Hakurei should be a tactical match for eithe

Why ?

Mouten who is the greatest mind of the 5 young talents was trolled by Gakushou tactics. And Gakushou is no slouch at all martially. Compared to other « strategic commander » we have seen Gakushou is one of the strongest

And Kansaro proved himself to be a great leader, and a complete package of tactic, strength, leadership etc. Hakurei is maybe stronger than him in one department but is not a better commander at all.

Let Ji Aga and Rinbunkun unga bunga each other

Lol agree with that I have them around the same level
Let the best ape wins

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Yoku beats the other anyway

Martially I agree Yoku is stronger than anyone here
But as a commande army vs army I don’t see him beating Kansaro

 

[Bullet]

Mouten who is the greatest mind of the 5 young talents was trolled by Gakushou tactics. And Gakushou is no slouch at all martially. Compared to other « strategic commander » we have seen Gakushou is one of the strongest

Countering one move isn't making a complete troll out of him
It was one clash and he had the number advantage

And Kansaro proved himself to be a great leader, and a complete package of tactic, strength, leadership etc. Hakurei is maybe stronger than him in one department but is not a better commander at all.

He might be a better tactician but it's not gonna matter much when they are acting as pawns of 2 head on collision type of commanders.
There is no way this battle sees the second day where Kansaro can keep laying traps or nonsense like that. Once Kanmei charges, Ku yoku takes to the field and slays this bum in a hard fight.

 

[RayanOO]

Countering one move isn't making a complete troll out of him
It was one clash and he had the number advantage

It’s great portrayal and shows at that time (2 years after Juuko battle and it is Juuko Hakurei and Yoku here) Gakushou was somewhat comparable to Mouten at least or superior

it’s better than Hakurei résumé or profile

Hakurei doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt here as a tactician

And yeah again chapter 719-723 you’ll see that Gakushou and his army was indeed impressive

 

[God Buggy]

Battle of the bums

 

[RayanOO]

He might be a better tactician but it's not gonna matter much when they are acting as pawns of 2 head on collision type of commanders.

SBS and Kanmei can go at it
It doesn’t mean their subs won’t play their own act (like in any war we have seen thus far)

 

[Bullet]

SBS and Kanmei can go at it
It doesn’t mean their subs won’t play their own act (like in any war we have seen thus far)

They can do mini tactics but at the end of the day they are pawns in a head on clash
Kansaro's tactical advantage is reduced in a situation like this

 

[BanditKanki]

Kansaro isn’t stronger in a duel than JKR and JKR didn’t nearly kill Shin. Those statements are incorrect.

Jkr is a beast though. He did have a very short 1v1 exchange with Shin and did not look out of place.

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Seika army is like 5k
The rest of them is normal Zhao armies that don't have that Seika loyalty or intense moral or whatever while the Chu army acknowledges and has served Kanmei in all his battles
Just vanguard of his army which are Moubu sized giants outnumber the actual Seika forces

Hakurei should be a tactical match for either and Yoku beats the other anyway
Let Ji Aga and Rinbunkun unga bunga each other

Seika army is defo above 5k now, given that the whole City has accepted and is willing to be focused on war.

I couldn’t give you a prediction though as it’s just guesswork

 

[RayanOO]

ansaro isn’t stronger in a duel than JKR and JKR didn’t nearly kill Shin. Those statements are incorrect.

Jkr is a beast though. He did have a very short 1v1 exchange with Shin and did not look out of place.

To be fair Kansaro and JKR should be really close martially wise

Kansaro is the top 1 general under SBS

And Gakushou the number 2

Gakushou seems great tactically and also really good martially

Let’s invent numbers

GKS is 87/88 STR and 90/91 INT

JKR is 92/93 STR

And Jiaga is 93/94 STR

And Kansaro is the top dog among them all. To be above GKS while being likely less tactically gifted, Kansaro had to be stronger martially. And from the flashback Jiaga and Kansaro aren’t that far apart either

Kansaro is likely in the 90/91 stats in STR

I think Kansaro will be one of the most balanced general with 90 in all stats