Future Events Kuina: the Bridge Between Zoro and Sanji

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https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105

In a recent SBS, Oda confirmed something very interesting regarding the Straw Hats and their backstories:

D: Do friends who joined the crew later (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe) heard stories about the East Blue adventure from the original members (mostly Usopp?) and knew what had happened so far? I am curious! P.N. Seito

O: They either knew or they didn't know. Given the identities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will speak if asked. Usopp will speak without being asked, but the adult members can sees through lies, so they ask Nami, Sanji, and Chopper to talk about anything they want to know. However, most of the Straw Hat Pirates don't care about people's past.


Particularly: "Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past."

What does that mean? That Sanji has NO IDEA Zoro's entire goal is because of his childhood female friend, Kuina. Zoro hates sexism more than anyone in the series, refusing to believe that Kuina was weaker than him because she was a woman. Zoro has no problem fighting Tashigi if necessary, or attacking Monet if he wishes to.

This is the core conflict between Zoro and Sanji:

Zoro is a feminist who believes that men whould view women as equals, and respect the strength of strong women.



Zoro beleives in Vivi's strength, and doesn't act like she's a damsel in distress. Similarly, when Tashigi wanted to fight Monet, and they were both Zoro's enemies, he allowed them duel, only interfering when he felt like it.

Sanji is a feminist who believes men aren't superior to women, but, that men should treat women with kindness and gentleness, even if they're bad people ("A man forgives a woman's lies").

To Zoro, acting like women can't defend themselves from men is misogynist. To Sanji, men being willing to fight women to begin with is misogynist.

The resolution point for this is Zoro sharing his backstory with Sanji, and revealing that his dream is all because of a young woman who was viewed as weaker than men by her own father.

This is why Zoro's backstory hasn't been revealed to the crew: his backstory is necessary for Zoro and Sanji to gain true mutual respect for each other.

I beleive Zoro himself will challenge Sanji as a woman, either via Doc Q or Ivankov (probably Doc Q). But, that's not necessary.

Sanji just needs to realize from Zoro that fighting women is at times ABOUT SHOWING THEM RESPECT.



Kuina's proves Sanji is delusional and dysfunctional. If Zoro had followed Sanji's broken morals, and refused to fight Kuina because she was a girl, nothing could have destroyed her more. No sword wound could have cut as deep as Zoro, Kuina's rival, looking her in the face, and telling her what she was most terrified to hear: that she shouldn't fight because she's a girl. That her gender prevents her from fighting with swords.

If Zoro tells Sanji about Kuina, and Sanji yelled at Zoro for attacking his female friend with real swords as a child, Zoro would lose his shit.

"SHUT THE HELL UP! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KUINA WAS FEELING! If I had told her that I couldn't fight her, just because she was a girl, I would have been spitting on everything she had built as a swordsman! I would have been a coward, running away from my rival, my friend's feelings, just because I was weaker, and making excuses! I don't care about how you feel about woman, Kuina was my ideal! Like hell I'll spit on her memory, by acting like I should have never fought her in the first place! DON'T INSULT KUINA'S MEMORY, SANJI, OR I'LL ACTUALLY KILL YOU!"

And, finally, Sanji will learn to smack bad ladies, even though they're ladies. Respecting women like Kuina comes from accepting and admiring their strength, not acting like they're weak and need to be protected.

Still torn if I want the first woman Sanji fights to be fem-Zoro, or Big Mom, though.
 
#3
Sanji and zoro are the only 2 strawhats that would hold back just because they’re against a women. Them being the 2 most and only sexist strawhats when it comes to fighting women. Sanji because of Zeff and zoro probably because he was raised by wano samurai pretty much despite his ties to kuina

Also Sanji doesn’t care if zoro fights a woman as long as it’s necessary
Tho even against monet it was Tashigi who actually took her out

 
#7



Only difference between Zoro and Sanji is that Zoro is not a simp.
They both have very similar views

Or maybe not lol

True
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https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105

In a recent SBS, Oda confirmed something very interesting regarding the Straw Hats and their backstories:

D: Do friends who joined the crew later (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe) heard stories about the East Blue adventure from the original members (mostly Usopp?) and knew what had happened so far? I am curious! P.N. Seito

O: They either knew or they didn't know. Given the identities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will speak if asked. Usopp will speak without being asked, but the adult members can sees through lies, so they ask Nami, Sanji, and Chopper to talk about anything they want to know. However, most of the Straw Hat Pirates don't care about people's past.


Particularly: "Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past."

What does that mean? That Sanji has NO IDEA Zoro's entire goal is because of his childhood female friend, Kuina. Zoro hates sexism more than anyone in the series, refusing to believe that Kuina was weaker than him because she was a woman. Zoro has no problem fighting Tashigi if necessary, or attacking Monet if he wishes to.

This is the core conflict between Zoro and Sanji:

Zoro is a feminist who believes that men whould view women as equals, and respect the strength of strong women.



Zoro beleives in Vivi's strength, and doesn't act like she's a damsel in distress. Similarly, when Tashigi wanted to fight Monet, and they were both Zoro's enemies, he allowed them duel, only interfering when he felt like it.

Sanji is a feminist who believes men aren't superior to women, but, that men should treat women with kindness and gentleness, even if they're bad people ("A man forgives a woman's lies").

To Zoro, acting like women can't defend themselves from men is misogynist. To Sanji, men being willing to fight women to begin with is misogynist.

The resolution point for this is Zoro sharing his backstory with Sanji, and revealing that his dream is all because of a young woman who was viewed as weaker than men by her own father.

This is why Zoro's backstory hasn't been revealed to the crew: his backstory is necessary for Zoro and Sanji to gain true mutual respect for each other.

I beleive Zoro himself will challenge Sanji as a woman, either via Doc Q or Ivankov (probably Doc Q). But, that's not necessary.

Sanji just needs to realize from Zoro that fighting women is at times ABOUT SHOWING THEM RESPECT.



Kuina's proves Sanji is delusional and dysfunctional. If Zoro had followed Sanji's broken morals, and refused to fight Kuina because she was a girl, nothing could have destroyed her more. No sword wound could have cut as deep as Zoro, Kuina's rival, looking her in the face, and telling her what she was most terrified to hear: that she shouldn't fight because she's a girl. That her gender prevents her from fighting with swords.

If Zoro tells Sanji about Kuina, and Sanji yelled at Zoro for attacking his female friend with real swords as a child, Zoro would lose his shit.

"SHUT THE HELL UP! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KUINA WAS FEELING! If I had told her that I couldn't fight her, just because she was a girl, I would have been spitting on everything she had built as a swordsman! I would have been a coward, running away from my rival, my friend's feelings, just because I was weaker, and making excuses! I don't care about how you feel about woman, Kuina was my ideal! Like hell I'll spit on her memory, by acting like I should have never fought her in the first place! DON'T INSULT KUINA'S MEMORY, SANJI, OR I'LL ACTUALLY KILL YOU!"

And, finally, Sanji will learn to smack bad ladies, even though they're ladies. Respecting women like Kuina comes from accepting and admiring their strength, not acting like they're weak and need to be protected.

Still torn if I want the first woman Sanji fights to be fem-Zoro, or Big Mom, though.

Actually a Thread i enjoyed reading totally agreed
 
#12
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105

In a recent SBS, Oda confirmed something very interesting regarding the Straw Hats and their backstories:

D: Do friends who joined the crew later (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe) heard stories about the East Blue adventure from the original members (mostly Usopp?) and knew what had happened so far? I am curious! P.N. Seito

O: They either knew or they didn't know. Given the identities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will speak if asked. Usopp will speak without being asked, but the adult members can sees through lies, so they ask Nami, Sanji, and Chopper to talk about anything they want to know. However, most of the Straw Hat Pirates don't care about people's past.


Particularly: "Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past."

What does that mean? That Sanji has NO IDEA Zoro's entire goal is because of his childhood female friend, Kuina. Zoro hates sexism more than anyone in the series, refusing to believe that Kuina was weaker than him because she was a woman. Zoro has no problem fighting Tashigi if necessary, or attacking Monet if he wishes to.

This is the core conflict between Zoro and Sanji:

Zoro is a feminist who believes that men whould view women as equals, and respect the strength of strong women.



Zoro beleives in Vivi's strength, and doesn't act like she's a damsel in distress. Similarly, when Tashigi wanted to fight Monet, and they were both Zoro's enemies, he allowed them duel, only interfering when he felt like it.

Sanji is a feminist who believes men aren't superior to women, but, that men should treat women with kindness and gentleness, even if they're bad people ("A man forgives a woman's lies").

To Zoro, acting like women can't defend themselves from men is misogynist. To Sanji, men being willing to fight women to begin with is misogynist.

The resolution point for this is Zoro sharing his backstory with Sanji, and revealing that his dream is all because of a young woman who was viewed as weaker than men by her own father.

This is why Zoro's backstory hasn't been revealed to the crew: his backstory is necessary for Zoro and Sanji to gain true mutual respect for each other.

I beleive Zoro himself will challenge Sanji as a woman, either via Doc Q or Ivankov (probably Doc Q). But, that's not necessary.

Sanji just needs to realize from Zoro that fighting women is at times ABOUT SHOWING THEM RESPECT.



Kuina's proves Sanji is delusional and dysfunctional. If Zoro had followed Sanji's broken morals, and refused to fight Kuina because she was a girl, nothing could have destroyed her more. No sword wound could have cut as deep as Zoro, Kuina's rival, looking her in the face, and telling her what she was most terrified to hear: that she shouldn't fight because she's a girl. That her gender prevents her from fighting with swords.

If Zoro tells Sanji about Kuina, and Sanji yelled at Zoro for attacking his female friend with real swords as a child, Zoro would lose his shit.

"SHUT THE HELL UP! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KUINA WAS FEELING! If I had told her that I couldn't fight her, just because she was a girl, I would have been spitting on everything she had built as a swordsman! I would have been a coward, running away from my rival, my friend's feelings, just because I was weaker, and making excuses! I don't care about how you feel about woman, Kuina was my ideal! Like hell I'll spit on her memory, by acting like I should have never fought her in the first place! DON'T INSULT KUINA'S MEMORY, SANJI, OR I'LL ACTUALLY KILL YOU!"

And, finally, Sanji will learn to smack bad ladies, even though they're ladies. Respecting women like Kuina comes from accepting and admiring their strength, not acting like they're weak and need to be protected.

Still torn if I want the first woman Sanji fights to be fem-Zoro, or Big Mom, though.
This.
People mistake Zoro as a sexist because he didn't kill or injure Monet despite being able to, but that's not even close to why he did it, he purposefully held back while making sure to show her that he was far superior and she could do absolutely nothing to stop him from beating her badly if he really had to.
That's not a technique he'd only use on women, he just happened to use it on a woman once.
 
#14
Kinda sad that as a friend you don't want to or care to know your friend's past or troubles. This really dampers on my opinion of are the Strawhats really friends or they just using Luffy to accomplish their own goals? Which speak volumes because this is Luffy piece and he one selfish man where he won't let people go even if they want to leave... cough cough Sanji.

Anyway to solve this conflict between Zoro and Sanji is bring up Tashigi because she the one lady that actually bring out Zoro's past or get him to speak.
 

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#15
This.
People mistake Zoro as a sexist because he didn't kill or injure Monet despite being able to, but that's not even close to why he did it, he purposefully held back while making sure to show her that he was far superior and she could do absolutely nothing to stop him from beating her badly if he really had to.
That's not a technique he'd only use on women, he just happened to use it on a woman once.
Exactly.

The coolest thing is that Zoro learned that from Mihawk; that a real swordsman doesn't just mindlessly murder people. Hell, in the Manga, Mihawk didn't even bother fighting Krieg, he knew Krieg was so far beneath him. Just cut his ship in half and left.

Zoro defeated Monet far beyond a simple murder, he broke her mind for a bit.

Like, if Zoro had a chance to decapitate Big Mom, he's taking that. With Monet, it's "You're so weak to me I don't even need to kill you, just get out of my fucking way." Zoro knows Monet didn't want ANYTHING after that cut.



Zoro doesn't like hurting women because of Kuina, but he has no problems slicing and dicing if anyone pisses him off.

This scene also shows why people underestimate swords in One Piece. Luffy couldn't do anything to Monet at first, Zoro just negged her immediately with no regards for human life.

People always think I'm crazy when I say Zoro is stronger than Luffy in certain situations, ignoring the fact Oda has directly proved this.

Funny enough, I don't think Zoro ever actually attacked Big Mom directly, though. Am I wrong? I ain't going back through all of Roof Piece again, LOL
 
#16
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105

In a recent SBS, Oda confirmed something very interesting regarding the Straw Hats and their backstories:

D: Do friends who joined the crew later (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe) heard stories about the East Blue adventure from the original members (mostly Usopp?) and knew what had happened so far? I am curious! P.N. Seito

O: They either knew or they didn't know. Given the identities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will speak if asked. Usopp will speak without being asked, but the adult members can sees through lies, so they ask Nami, Sanji, and Chopper to talk about anything they want to know. However, most of the Straw Hat Pirates don't care about people's past.


Particularly: "Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past."

What does that mean? That Sanji has NO IDEA Zoro's entire goal is because of his childhood female friend, Kuina. Zoro hates sexism more than anyone in the series, refusing to believe that Kuina was weaker than him because she was a woman. Zoro has no problem fighting Tashigi if necessary, or attacking Monet if he wishes to.

This is the core conflict between Zoro and Sanji:

Zoro is a feminist who believes that men whould view women as equals, and respect the strength of strong women.



Zoro beleives in Vivi's strength, and doesn't act like she's a damsel in distress. Similarly, when Tashigi wanted to fight Monet, and they were both Zoro's enemies, he allowed them duel, only interfering when he felt like it.

Sanji is a feminist who believes men aren't superior to women, but, that men should treat women with kindness and gentleness, even if they're bad people ("A man forgives a woman's lies").

To Zoro, acting like women can't defend themselves from men is misogynist. To Sanji, men being willing to fight women to begin with is misogynist.

The resolution point for this is Zoro sharing his backstory with Sanji, and revealing that his dream is all because of a young woman who was viewed as weaker than men by her own father.

This is why Zoro's backstory hasn't been revealed to the crew: his backstory is necessary for Zoro and Sanji to gain true mutual respect for each other.

I beleive Zoro himself will challenge Sanji as a woman, either via Doc Q or Ivankov (probably Doc Q). But, that's not necessary.

Sanji just needs to realize from Zoro that fighting women is at times ABOUT SHOWING THEM RESPECT.



Kuina's proves Sanji is delusional and dysfunctional. If Zoro had followed Sanji's broken morals, and refused to fight Kuina because she was a girl, nothing could have destroyed her more. No sword wound could have cut as deep as Zoro, Kuina's rival, looking her in the face, and telling her what she was most terrified to hear: that she shouldn't fight because she's a girl. That her gender prevents her from fighting with swords.

If Zoro tells Sanji about Kuina, and Sanji yelled at Zoro for attacking his female friend with real swords as a child, Zoro would lose his shit.

"SHUT THE HELL UP! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KUINA WAS FEELING! If I had told her that I couldn't fight her, just because she was a girl, I would have been spitting on everything she had built as a swordsman! I would have been a coward, running away from my rival, my friend's feelings, just because I was weaker, and making excuses! I don't care about how you feel about woman, Kuina was my ideal! Like hell I'll spit on her memory, by acting like I should have never fought her in the first place! DON'T INSULT KUINA'S MEMORY, SANJI, OR I'LL ACTUALLY KILL YOU!"

And, finally, Sanji will learn to smack bad ladies, even though they're ladies. Respecting women like Kuina comes from accepting and admiring their strength, not acting like they're weak and need to be protected.

Still torn if I want the first woman Sanji fights to be fem-Zoro, or Big Mom, though.
he is still racist though
 
#18
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105

In a recent SBS, Oda confirmed something very interesting regarding the Straw Hats and their backstories:

D: Do friends who joined the crew later (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe) heard stories about the East Blue adventure from the original members (mostly Usopp?) and knew what had happened so far? I am curious! P.N. Seito

O: They either knew or they didn't know. Given the identities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will speak if asked. Usopp will speak without being asked, but the adult members can sees through lies, so they ask Nami, Sanji, and Chopper to talk about anything they want to know. However, most of the Straw Hat Pirates don't care about people's past.


Particularly: "Luffy and Zoro don't talk about the past."

What does that mean? That Sanji has NO IDEA Zoro's entire goal is because of his childhood female friend, Kuina. Zoro hates sexism more than anyone in the series, refusing to believe that Kuina was weaker than him because she was a woman. Zoro has no problem fighting Tashigi if necessary, or attacking Monet if he wishes to.

This is the core conflict between Zoro and Sanji:

Zoro is a feminist who believes that men whould view women as equals, and respect the strength of strong women.



Zoro beleives in Vivi's strength, and doesn't act like she's a damsel in distress. Similarly, when Tashigi wanted to fight Monet, and they were both Zoro's enemies, he allowed them duel, only interfering when he felt like it.

Sanji is a feminist who believes men aren't superior to women, but, that men should treat women with kindness and gentleness, even if they're bad people ("A man forgives a woman's lies").

To Zoro, acting like women can't defend themselves from men is misogynist. To Sanji, men being willing to fight women to begin with is misogynist.

The resolution point for this is Zoro sharing his backstory with Sanji, and revealing that his dream is all because of a young woman who was viewed as weaker than men by her own father.

This is why Zoro's backstory hasn't been revealed to the crew: his backstory is necessary for Zoro and Sanji to gain true mutual respect for each other.
You lost me after this part🤣
 

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You lost me after this part🤣
I feel bad because the part with Koshiro saying Kuina is weak because she's a woman is anime only, I believe.

But, I fully believe this. Oda has his flaws writing women, but, I believe Oda does truly respect and treasure women. I don't think we'd have characters like Robin in the story if that wasn't the case.
 
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