Speculations Let's discuss Ancient Weapons! All ideas welcome

#1
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I want to start by suggesting that the Ancient Weapons may be based on achievements in Haki Technology and that they required "Special Procedures" in their design specifications.

These "Special Procedures" have many applications, but there is also a drawback to this. For example, these "Special Procedures" require repair, replacement, and modification. In this sense, you could consider that Shirahoshi being the next incarnation of Poseidon to be a "replacement cycle" with a due date/calibration.

In design, they reproduce the abilities of Gods known as Poseidon, Pluton, and Uranus who represent the spirit of the Sea, the Land, and the Sky. This is why they carry the names of Gods.

Here's an idea! I don't think they were intended to be "Doomsday Weapons" specifically, but rather "Defense Systems". The potential of these defense systems, if used to wage war, would also be effective as doomsday weapons because they embody unique forms of superior technology to the average civilization.

I will continue to write on this as more ideas come to me.... Feel free to include your own! The story will end sometime in the near future and it is a good time to discuss what we think about this.
 
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#2
Not an ancient weapon exactly, but im pretty sure the abyss is ancient technology rather than magic. It might be haki based which is kinda "magic" but anyway... I think it was something similar to your idea of the ancient weapons, it was created not as a tool of "control" but one of "connection" and meant to facilitate easy transportation to connect the many. Instead it is used to great effect to dominate the world by the one who controls it.
 
#3
Not an ancient weapon exactly, but im pretty sure the abyss is ancient technology rather than magic. It might be haki based which is kinda "magic" but anyway... I think it was something similar to your idea of the ancient weapons, it was created not as a tool of "control" but one of "connection" and meant to facilitate easy transportation to connect the many. Instead it is used to great effect to dominate the world by the one who controls it.
The only issue I might have with this idea is that Imu doesn't seem particularly intelligent. I don't think he understands Ancient Kingdom technology. If he did, he wouldn't have needed Vegapunk.

My personal belief is that Imu is strong, but the Ancient Kingdom technology scares him. However, yes, he could have found an alternative to that in the form of the abyss somehow.
 
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The whole ancient weapon plot is kinda of useless from birth because it was the technology used by Ancient Kingdom that fell apart during void century. So even with ancient weapons they lost their war. So why the hell would those weapons be important if they were not the decisive factor for winning?
 
#5
The whole ancient weapon plot is kinda of useless from birth because it was the technology used by Ancient Kingdom that fell apart during void century. So even with ancient weapons they lost their war. So why the hell would those weapons be important if they were not the decisive factor for winning?
It seems the nascent World Government got their hands on Uranus, as that's what they vaporized Lulisa with.
 
#6
The whole ancient weapon plot is kinda of useless from birth because it was the technology used by Ancient Kingdom that fell apart during void century. So even with ancient weapons they lost their war. So why the hell would those weapons be important if they were not the decisive factor for winning?
It has been said the war is ongoing and hasn't actually ended. You're assuming it's been decided already with this reasoning.

The weapons, similarly to the One Piece, were hidden. The people who control it doesn't really matter if they can't activate it or it's hidden (the one Imu seems to have has not been able to be activated properly until recently).
 
#7
It has been said the war is ongoing and hasn't actually ended. You're assuming it's been decided already with this reasoning.

The weapons, similarly to the One Piece, were hidden. The people who control it doesn't really matter if they can't activate it or it's hidden (the one Imu seems to have has not been able to be activated properly until recently).
That's just narrative.

The war is over. Ancient Kingdom lost and World Governament was created to avoid Ancient Kingdom to ever comeback or something like that. And since then it has being increasing it size and power around the world.

A new war will happen but the one from Void Century is long over.
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It seems the nascent World Government got their hands on Uranus, as that's what they vaporized Lulisa with.
Actually seems they always had it but never had the fuel of it. Only with mother flame.
 
#8
That's just narrative.

The war is over. Ancient Kingdom lost and World Governament was created to avoid Ancient Kingdom to ever comeback or something like that. And since then it has being increasing it size and power around the world.

A new war will happen but the one from Void Century is long over.
Not in the full extent. The weapons not being used may be critical. The flooding was just the result of one of the weapons being used leading to the full extent. The war actually goes back to the first world, I suspect, and it's not actually over.

Because now see YOU are defining the story in your own way with your own rules. It might not be how you see it.

It's like saying the Ancient Kingdom lost the war. They didn't, actually, not yet. That's the entire reason why the Ds are still acting toward a future.
 
#9
Not in the full extent. The weapons not being used may be critical. The flooding was just the result of one of the weapons being used leading to the full extent. The war actually goes back to the first world, I suspect, and it's not actually over.

Because now see YOU are defining the story in your own way with your own rules. It might not be how you see it.

It's like saying the Ancient Kingdom lost the war. They didn't, actually, not yet. That's the entire reason why the Ds are still acting toward a future.
Dude this is like saying WWI and WWII are the same and that is still not over because it will have another war. It makes no fucking sense.

You are basically saying we all live in a war all the time
 
#11
You probably shouldn't have said "all ideas". You've brought this mountain of words down upon yourself!

My personal theory is that the Ancient Weapons weren't originally designed to actually be weapons. They just got re-purposed into weapons after the fact. Because we know Joyboy had the Ancient Weapons and was planning on using them. And I think that was true. But, I think Joyboy's plan was going to be to use them for their original purpose, instead of as the weapons they became better known as.

As for what the Ancient Weapons were originally? I have a feeling they were some form of "construction equipment". Either for terraforming the planet into something more suitable for Humans, or in order to mine the Forbidden Sun at the core of the planet. Or maybe a little bit of both.

I mean, you COULD use a bulldozer, or a wrecking ball, or a drill rig as a weapon. But, that's not it's intended function. I think these things were made to BUILD something, rather than destroy it. Which feels fitting, if Luffy ends up using them.



I also feel like the names are important. They're all named after the outer planets. So, I wonder if that's hinting at a extraterrestrial origin for these?

Personally, I think it's interesting that the epithets for two of the top three of Roger's crew are also named after the outer planets. Gol D Roger himself is the Pirate King or Kaizoku-Oh. The name for Neptune in Japanese is Kaiousei, with the same "kai" for "water". Rayleigh is the Dark King or Mei-Oh. The Japanese name for Pluto is Meiousei, with the same "mei" for "night" or "dark" or "underworld". In theory someone should be named after Uranos, or Tennousei, for a "Sky King" or a "Heaven King", but that character is missing. But, whatever the case, it does seem like Oda got...two-thirds of the way of directly paralleling Roger's crew with the Ancient Weapons. Which I think could be a hint that the Ancient Weapons are actually just "misunderstood good" aligned, like the Roger Pirates themselves.

Buckle up, we're going to crazy town from here on out.

My personal theory is that Humans are not native to this World. Humans are actually the alien invaders who stole this World from it's original inhabitants. And then mated with the locals, resulting in most of the hybrid races we see today. The original inhabitants of this World were the Dragons. And the Ancient Giant's horns and eyes are the result of having Dragon blood in their ancestry. This even works for other races, like the Fishmen or the Long-Limbed Tribes. The Fishmen are amphibious like turtles, and the Long-Limbed Tribes have...long limbs, like a snake-hybrid would have. Almost every "race" in One Piece has Dragon-like reptilian characteristics. Even the Tontatta make sense, since there are some really small reptiles. (Except the Minks. I'll admit, I can't explain the Minks with this theory.)
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2021/02/new-species-madagascar-smallest-reptile-nano-chameleon/

Even the Amazons. They supposedly only birth female offspring. But, it's possible that's because they're slightly lizard-like, from having a different mix of Dragon blood in their lineage. The gender of their offspring may be determined by the temperature of the environment. The environment now is colder than it used to be, due to the Forbidden Sun being mined from the core of the planet. So, all their offspring are female, because the environment isn't hot enough to trigger the birth of male offspring. So, even the Amazons are showing signs of being hybrids with something reptile-like, like the Dragons. The Amazons are literally Dragon Ladies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature-dependent_sex_determination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9989/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Lady

So, I think it's possible, and even pretty likely, that Humans from outer space invaded and conquered this World in the past. Then used something like the Ancient Weapons to terraform the planet to suit their own biology. And also mated with the original Dragon inhabitants of this world to help themselves adapt to the environment. While also mining the planet of it's natural resources, the Forbidden Sun. Mining the Forbidden Sun had unforeseen consequences. And the Dragon's likely fought back against the invading Humans. So, the Humans killed two birds with one stone, by trapping the Dragons in the hollowed-out core of the planet while freezing it in order to keep the Forbidden Sun in check. Thus, explaining Brook and V Nusjuro's "Frozen Underworld" powers. The Ancient Weapons, therefore, are the only way to reverse what they did. Joyboy, and therefore Luffy, need the Ancient Weapons because it's the only way to unfreeze the Dragons at the core of the planet and try to make up for how they were wronged. Luffy would set Uranos to "defrost", but Imu's got it set all the way up to "charbroil" in order to try to kill the Dragons at the center of the planet before they have a chance to wake up again.

This would also explain why we're getting repeated motifs of people like Kaido and Loki dropping from great heights trying to kill themselves, but only leaving behind a giant hole in the ground, failing in their attempt. This is Oda showing us that there's something down in the core of the planet that DID fall farther than either of those two did. And is it any coincidence that the hole that Kaido leaves behind from trying to jump from a Sky Island is pretty similar to the hole that Uranos made in the ocean after it destroyed Lulusia? "They can't even die right". I'm convinced something's still alive down there, at the center of the world. The trapped Dragons may even the source of the "desires" of the Devil Fruits. The Ancient Weapons may just be the key to the Dragon's "jailcell" as it were.

For more on this theory, look over here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...message-will-be-the-dragons-are-coming.55673/



Now, I'm going to talk about the Ancient Weapons, individually. And what their original function was, according to this theory.

Poseidon is basically the inherited "psychic" power to control the Sea Kings. I'll admit, it's weird that this is a mostly water-centered power. Especially if the planet wasn't as flooded as it currently was. But, my theory is that the Sea Kings were basically used as "crowd control". When you remember that the majority of the Sea Kings are in the Calm Belt, around either side of the Grand Line, it kind of makes sense. The Sea Kings are designed to help get people out of harms way, and to keep them away. They're basically living "caution tape" or a giant fence around a construction site. They just never got told to move again.

Uranos seems to be a giant sky laser. We aren't even 100% certain that what destroyed Lulusia was Uranos. But, I'm betting that it probably is, personally. We actually see what is probably the Ancient Weapons in Enel's Moon Mural (Chapter 470 and 472, specifically 472 for the Weapons). Uranos is probably the "Sun" above the winged races carrying balloons. It seems like it has a lot of points or spikes on it. My personal bet is that Uranos was probably some sort of drill rig, used to make holes to get to the core of the planet so they could mine it for the Forbidden Sun energy, as hinted by the Chapter 1138 Mural. Or it's possible it was used mostly for observation or administration. It's easier to see how a project is coming along from above.

Pluton, apparently, is some sort of a battle ship, at least according to what Franky could make of the designs (Chapter 355). In the Chapter 472 Moon Mural, it's probably the "curvy" thing with a bunch of "eyes" that's below the balloon-carrying winged races. It almost looks like it could be "glowing", to me? We know it's below Wano right now. A lot of people think that Franky used his memories of the blueprints to basically remake Pluton as the Thousand Sunny. And while I like the idea, I actually think Oda might be going someplace else with this. But, as for it's role in my "construction equipment" theory. I think this could be the heavy machinery. The thing that's supposed to do some heavy lifting. Maybe moving the "junk rock" out of the way while they mined the Forbidden Sun. (That "junk rock" they discarded eventually forming the One Piece World's many moons, possibly. Enel might just be the ruler of the ancient equivalent to a junk yard or garbage dump.) And if any of these objects has some sort of "freeze ray" that could have frozen the core of the planet, I think Pluton is the most likely Weapon to have that kind of equipment. If anything, Pluton likely has a "Freeze Ray" AND a "Heat Ray" of some sort, in order to freeze or defrost anything it needs to. Possibly as some sort of equivalent to hydraulic mining. Which fits because hydraulic mining was heavily regulated or outright banned in many areas because of the damage it did to the environment. This might ultimately be where all the water underground is coming from. The Strawhats could use Pluton to free the Dragons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining

Here's another crazy idea. I think it's possible that there's actually a Fourth Ancient Weapon out there. If you look at the Moon Mural in Chapter 472, you actually can see FOUR objects surrounding the Sky Races. A lot of people leave out the object that the Automata themselves are left behind on. It could just be representing the Moon itself. Or it could be a "carrier" or "hangar" for the other three Ancient Weapons to fit inside. A Titanus or Tor from Power Rangers, as it were. I think this Ancient Weapon could be what the Thousand Sunny is ultimately paralleling. Because, remember, the Thousand Sunny also has a bunch of other vehicles that it carries around with it. The Seabull Waver, the Mini-Merry, the Shark Sub, the Black Rhino Motorcycle, and the Brachio Tank. Two of which can combine into the Franky Shogun. So all the vehicles that the Thousand Sunny carries would be it's "Ancient Weapons", so to speak. This Fourth Weapon would probably be named after Nibiru or Planet X. Or maybe this is literally just the Moon. Still, I think it's possible we could get this as a reveal down the road.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/nibiru.htm

And for one final thought...can they combine? Because...that would be cool. It would be cool if all the Ancient Weapons could combine together into a huge mech. I guess that would turn Shirahoshi into a mecha musume/Gundam Girl. And I'd be okay with that. No idea if Oda would actually go all the way with that. The Ancient Weapons don't really LOOK like they're designed to combine together. But, crazier things have happened. And I'm kind of rooting for it, personally.



As far the the connection with the Abyss goes, I see it more like "software" to the Ancient Weapon's "hardware". The Abyss Mark system would be the ancient technology equivalent of, say, a cell phone or Siri or Alexa. A versatile piece of software that allows you to do many things. Maybe with some AI in there. It's like someone figured out how to make "cloud storage" by manipulating reality itself. The Ancient Weapons would be the "hardware". The big equipment. The equivalent to cars, or jets, or like I've been saying construction equipment.

It kind of does make you wonder, though. Could the Ancient Weapons have some sort of intelligence themselves? I mean, if even Devil Fruits, if they are ancient technology, have some form of will of their own, could that mean the Ancient Weapons do, too? Some sort of AI Copilot to help you run itself? I know a lot of people were wondering if the "Grim Reaper" that Zoro saw in Wano was actually the "klabautermann" of Pluton underneath Wano (Chapter 1038). Maybe the "klabautermann" of different ships is our equivalent of a "AI Navigator". Maybe the Ancient Weapons each have a "spirit" watching over themselves?

I don't know. There's a lot to think about with the Ancient Weapons.
 
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#12
You probably shouldn't have said "all ideas". You've brought this mountain of words down upon yourself!

My personal theory is that the Ancient Weapons weren't originally designed to actually be weapons. They just got re-purposed into weapons after the fact. Because we know Joyboy had the Ancient Weapons and was planning on using them. And I think that was true. But, I think Joyboy's plan was going to be to use them for their original purpose, instead of as the weapons they became better known as.

As for what the Ancient Weapons were originally? I have a feeling they were some form of "construction equipment". Either for terraforming the planet into something more suitable for Humans, or in order to mine the Forbidden Sun at the core of the planet. Or maybe a little bit of both.

I mean, you COULD use a bulldozer, or a wrecking ball, or a drill rig as a weapon. But, that's not it's intended function. I think these things were made to BUILD something, rather than destroy it. Which feels fitting, if Luffy ends up using them.



I also feel like the names are important. They're all named after the outer planets. So, I wonder if that's hinting at a extraterrestrial origin for these?

Personally, I think it's interesting that the epithets for two of the top three of Roger's crew are also named after the outer planets. Gol D Roger himself is the Pirate King or Kaizoku-Oh. The name for Neptune in Japanese is Kaiousei, with the same "kai" for "water". Rayleigh is the Dark King or Mei-Oh. The Japanese name for Pluto is Meiousei, with the same "mei" for "night" or "dark" or "underworld". In theory someone should be named after Uranos, or Tennousei, for a "Sky King" or a "Heaven King", but that character is missing. But, whatever the case, it does seem like Oda got...two-thirds of the way of directly paralleling Roger's crew with the Ancient Weapons. Which I think could be a hint that the Ancient Weapons are actually just "misunderstood good" aligned, like the Roger Pirates themselves.

Buckle up, we're going to crazy town from here on out.

My personal theory is that Humans are not native to this World. Humans are actually the alien invaders who stole this World from it's original inhabitants. And then mated with the locals, resulting in most of the hybrid races we see today. The original inhabitants of this World were the Dragons. And the Ancient Giant's horns and eyes are the result of having Dragon blood in their ancestry. This even works for other races, like the Fishmen or the Long-Limbed Tribes. The Fishmen are amphibious like turtles, and the Long-Limbed Tribes have...long limbs, like a snake-hybrid would have. Almost every "race" in One Piece has Dragon-like reptilian characteristics. Even the Tontatta make sense, since there are some really small reptiles. (Except the Minks. I'll admit, I can't explain the Minks with this theory.)
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2021/02/new-species-madagascar-smallest-reptile-nano-chameleon/

Even the Amazons. They supposedly only birth female offspring. But, it's possible that's because they're slightly lizard-like, from having a different mix of Dragon blood in their lineage. The gender of their offspring may be determined by the temperature of the environment. The environment now is colder than it used to be, due to the Forbidden Sun being mined from the core of the planet. So, all their offspring are female, because the environment isn't hot enough to trigger the birth of male offspring. So, even the Amazons are showing signs of being hybrids with something reptile-like, like the Dragons. The Amazons are literally Dragon Ladies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature-dependent_sex_determination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9989/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Lady

So, I think it's possible, and even pretty likely, that Humans from outer space invaded and conquered this World in the past. Then used something like the Ancient Weapons to terraform the planet to suit their own biology. And also mated with the original Dragon inhabitants of this world to help themselves adapt to the environment. While also mining the planet of it's natural resources, the Forbidden Sun. Mining the Forbidden Sun had unforeseen consequences. And the Dragon's likely fought back against the invading Humans. So, the Humans killed two birds with one stone, by trapping the Dragons in the hollowed-out core of the planet while freezing it in order to keep the Forbidden Sun in check. Thus, explaining Brook and V Nusjuro's "Frozen Underworld" powers. The Ancient Weapons, therefore, are the only way to reverse what they did. Joyboy, and therefore Luffy, need the Ancient Weapons because it's the only way to unfreeze the Dragons at the core of the planet and try to make up for how they were wronged. Luffy would set Uranos to "defrost", but Imu's got it set all the way up to "charbroil" in order to try to kill the Dragons at the center of the planet before they have a chance to wake up again.

This would also explain why we're getting repeated motifs of people like Kaido and Loki dropping from great heights trying to kill themselves, but only leaving behind a giant hole in the ground, failing in their attempt. This is Oda showing us that there's something down in the core of the planet that DID fall farther than either of those two did. And is it any coincidence that the hole that Kaido leaves behind from trying to jump from a Sky Island is pretty similar to the hole that Uranos made in the ocean after it destroyed Lulusia? "They can't even die right". I'm convinced something's still alive down there, at the center of the world. The trapped Dragons may even the source of the "desires" of the Devil Fruits. The Ancient Weapons may just be the key to the Dragon's "jailcell" as it were.

For more on this theory, look over here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...message-will-be-the-dragons-are-coming.55673/



Now, I'm going to talk about the Ancient Weapons, individually. And what their original function was, according to this theory.

Poseidon is basically the inherited "psychic" power to control the Sea Kings. I'll admit, it's weird that this is a mostly water-centered power. Especially if the planet wasn't as flooded as it currently was. But, my theory is that the Sea Kings were basically used as "crowd control". When you remember that the majority of the Sea Kings are in the Calm Belt, around either side of the Grand Line, it kind of makes sense. The Sea Kings are designed to help get people out of harms way, and to keep them away. They're basically living "caution tape" or a giant fence around a construction site. They just never got told to move again.

Uranos seems to be a giant sky laser. We aren't even 100% certain that what destroyed Lulusia was Uranos. But, I'm betting that it probably is, personally. We actually see what is probably the Ancient Weapons in Enel's Moon Mural (Chapter 470 and 472, specifically 472 for the Weapons). Uranos is probably the "Sun" above the winged races carrying balloons. It seems like it has a lot of points or spikes on it. My personal bet is that Uranos was probably some sort of drill rig, used to make holes to get to the core of the planet so they could mine it for the Forbidden Sun energy, as hinted by the Chapter 1138 Mural. Or it's possible it was used mostly for observation or administration. It's easier to see how a project is coming along from above.

Pluton, apparently, is some sort of a battle ship, at least according to what Franky could make of the designs (Chapter 355). In the Chapter 472 Moon Mural, it's probably the "curvy" thing with a bunch of "eyes" that's below the balloon-carrying winged races. It almost looks like it could be "glowing", to me? We know it's below Wano right now. A lot of people think that Franky used his memories of the blueprints to basically remake Pluton as the Thousand Sunny. And while I like the idea, I actually think Oda might be going someplace else with this. But, as for it's role in my "construction equipment" theory. I think this could be the heavy machinery. The thing that's supposed to do some heavy lifting. Maybe moving the "junk rock" out of the way while they mined the Forbidden Sun. (That "junk rock" they discarded eventually forming the One Piece World's many moons, possibly. Enel might just be the ruler of the ancient equivalent to a junk yard or garbage dump.) And if any of these objects has some sort of "freeze ray" that could have frozen the core of the planet, I think Pluton is the most likely Weapon to have that kind of equipment. If anything, Pluton likely has a "Freeze Ray" AND a "Heat Ray" of some sort, in order to freeze or defrost anything it needs to. Possibly as some sort of equivalent to hydraulic mining. Which fits because hydraulic mining was heavily regulated or outright banned in many areas because of the damage it did to the environment. This might ultimately be where all the water underground is coming from. The Strawhats could use Pluton to free the Dragons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining

Here's another crazy idea. I think it's possible that there's actually a Fourth Ancient Weapon out there. If you look at the Moon Mural in Chapter 472, you actually can see FOUR objects surrounding the Sky Races. A lot of people leave out the object that the Automata themselves are left behind on. It could just be representing the Moon itself. Or it could be a "carrier" or "hangar" for the other three Ancient Weapons to fit inside. A Titanus or Tor from Power Rangers, as it were. I think this Ancient Weapon could be what the Thousand Sunny is ultimately paralleling. Because, remember, the Thousand Sunny also has a bunch of other vehicles that it carries around with it. The Seabull Waver, the Mini-Merry, the Shark Sub, the Black Rhino Motorcycle, and the Brachio Tank. Two of which can combine into the Franky Shogun. So all the vehicles that the Thousand Sunny carries would be it's "Ancient Weapons", so to speak. This Fourth Weapon would probably be named after Nibiru or Planet X. Or maybe this is literally just the Moon. Still, I think it's possible we could get this as a reveal down the road.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/nibiru.htm

And for one final thought...can they combine? Because...that would be cool. It would be cool if all the Ancient Weapons could combine together into a huge mech. I guess that would turn Shirahoshi into a mecha musume/Gundam Girl. And I'd be okay with that. No idea if Oda would actually go all the way with that. The Ancient Weapons don't really LOOK like they're designed to combine together. But, crazier things have happened. And I'm kind of rooting for it, personally.



As far the the connection with the Abyss goes, I see it more like "software" to the Ancient Weapon's "hardware". The Abyss Mark system would be the ancient technology equivalent of, say, a cell phone or Siri or Alexa. A versatile piece of software that allows you to do many things. Maybe with some AI in there. It's like someone figured out how to make "cloud storage" by manipulating reality itself. The Ancient Weapons would be the "hardware". The big equipment. The equivalent to cars, or jets, or like I've been saying construction equipment.

It kind of does make you wonder, though. Could the Ancient Weapons have some sort of intelligence themselves? I mean, if even Devil Fruits, if they are ancient technology, have some form of will of their own, could that mean the Ancient Weapons do, too? Some sort of AI Copilot to help you run itself? I know a lot of people were wondering if the "Grim Reaper" that Zoro saw in Wano was actually the "klabautermann" of Pluton underneath Wano (Chapter 1038). Maybe the "klabautermann" of different ships is our equivalent of a "AI Navigator". Maybe the Ancient Weapons each have a "spirit" watching over themselves?

I don't know. There's a lot to think about with the Ancient Weapons.
No, actually, let's do all the ideas. I'm happy to have anyone's ideas on it here. I want us to really think about it. We're brainstorming. This is a great platform, as good as any, and we will make use of it.
 
#15
Yes it is you saying that. The war is clearly over.
You need to leave the thread and no it's not me saying that, and you're imposing your own thoughts on others.

You're not welcome here. Leave. You won't receive any more responses from me.

You represent an issue of people imposing their thoughts on others when they're just brainstorming. Your little power struggle is nobody's emergency here.
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I am not responding to this other person anymore, but, as a comparison, the war being discussed is the same thing that happened in Wano with Kaido, Oden, and the Scabbards.

A) Kaido did not really win with Wano because Oden and the Scabbards were never wiped out and eventually came back to defeat him. (Yes, Oden was there, because Yamato was there)

B) Imu did not really win with The Ancient Kingdom because Joyboy and the Ds were never wiped out and will eventually come back to defeat him. (Yes, Joyboy will be there, because Luffy will be there)

People can argue semantics about it all they like, but, at the end, neither Kaido or Imu will have won. This is pretty much a fact.

The scope of the war between Joyboy and Imu may be larger than you think. Imu understands perfectly well that as long as certain "lights" exist he has not completely secured his victory. He is just as scared as Orochi was that the Scabbards would return.

And this STOPS being relatable to real-world scenarios when you consider the main elements like the same people are involved throughout the entire thing. It's not new people, necessarily, in each situation. It's the same guys lol there could never possibly be a situation where someone basically respawns to continue a fight. Does that make sense?
 
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#16
You need to leave the thread
Classic bad loser behaviour. Can't argue and tell others to stop arguing with you.

and no it's not me saying that, and you're imposing your own thoughts on others.
That's literally you.

You're not welcome here. Leave. You won't receive any more responses from me.
OMG please no I need to be welcomed here

:doffycry:

You represent an issue of people imposing their thoughts on others when they're just brainstorming. Your little power struggle is nobody's emergency here.
Keep addressing to others what you do yourself.

I am not responding to this other person anymore, but, as a comparison, the war being discussed is the same thing that happened in Wano with Kaido, Oden, and the Scabbards.

A) Kaido did not really win with Wano because Oden and the Scabbards were never wiped out and eventually came back to defeat him. (Yes, Oden was there, because Yamato was there)
That's WWI and WWII. Two separate wars. Germany wasn't wiped out. Therefore they came back. And still weren't wiped out. So WWIII is always a possibility. Fantastic argument.

B) Imu did not really win with The Ancient Kingdom because Joyboy and the Ds were never wiped out and will eventually come back to defeat him. (Yes, Joyboy will be there, because Luffy will be there)
So your idea of winning the war is just nuke one side. There is no surrender. There is no fleeing. You have absolute no idea of what a war means. War have goals. If you are invading a country and you succesfully take control over it like Kaido did at Wano, that means he won the war. If you are trying to take over the world and people are trying to stop you, if you have them stop doing it and you manage to control the world that means you won the war.

And this STOPS being relatable to real-world scenarios when you consider the main elements like the same people are involved throughout the entire thing. It's not new people, necessarily, in each situation. It's the same guys lol there could never possibly be a situation where someone basically respawns to continue a fight. Does that make sense?
In One Piece World is literally new guys. We had Nika, then JoyBoy and now Luffy. We had Oden and Scabbards and now Pirate-Samurai-Mink Alliance. Some Scabbards are the same as before just like some enemies of opposite side are the same but not 100% equal before. Same thing about World Governament.
 
#17
Classic bad loser behaviour. Can't argue and tell others to stop arguing with you.


That's literally you.


OMG please no I need to be welcomed here

:doffycry:


Keep addressing to others what you do yourself.


That's WWI and WWII. Two separate wars. Germany wasn't wiped out. Therefore they came back. And still weren't wiped out. So WWIII is always a possibility. Fantastic argument.


So your idea of winning the war is just nuke one side. There is no surrender. There is no fleeing. You have absolute no idea of what a war means. War have goals. If you are invading a country and you succesfully take control over it like Kaido did at Wano, that means he won the war. If you are trying to take over the world and people are trying to stop you, if you have them stop doing it and you manage to control the world that means you won the war.


In One Piece World is literally new guys. We had Nika, then JoyBoy and now Luffy. We had Oden and Scabbards and now Pirate-Samurai-Mink Alliance. Some Scabbards are the same as before just like some enemies of opposite side are the same but not 100% equal before. Same thing about World Governament.
If you have an idea, you can share it, but don't try to disqualify other people's thoughts here. That's the last thing I'll be telling you about it.

(It's possible people will see things in different ways, and the acceptance of that is especially important here - I, and others, will have some wild ideas, and they won't make sense to everyone. They don't need to.)
 
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If you have an idea, you can share it, but don't try to disqualify other people's thoughts here. That's the last thing I'll be telling you about it.

(It's possible people will see things in different ways, and the acceptance of that is especially important here - I, and others, will have some wild ideas, and they won't make sense to everyone. They don't need to.)
One thing is to have an idea. Other thing is to deny reality. The war being over is clear as fuck.
 
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I want to present an additional part of the Ancient Weapons design specifications ideas.

I believe the wording is very important with how they were originally described.

How were they originally described?
- They were said to carry the names of Gods because their abilities reflected their power.

What does this mean?
- This means they do not necessarily need to take the FORM of the God to use the ability. In other words, they are not the Gods themselves, but rather recreate the abilities of the Gods.

1. Poseidon actually went for the direct transfer of ability through a reincarnation cycle. The mermaid princess is born with this ability every few hundred years. The form is NEW, but it carries the ability of the God, and therefore it is also called [Poseidon]. (Princess Shirahoshi's other name). You can almost call this a calibration cycle. (The energy source is Shirahoshi's life force itself in this case)

2. Pluton is a battleship. This may just be a way of saying that a person can be like a battleship and they recreated the battleship part. (This would mean they would require an external energy source)

3. Uranus has the least known about it, but if we relate it to a Sky God then we can say that it recreates the abilities of the Sky God. Imu seems to have it, and it created an array of lasers.
(This would mean they would require an external energy source- it may be known as the mother flame)

I believe that it is possible all of these are inclusive to previous actual God characters who could perform these techniques/abilities/operations.

Each of the Ancient Weapons can be used to rule the world or destroy it, but nobody has actually used them properly since the Void Century.

The world got flooded MORE during the Void Century than it ever did at this time. Imu was there both times, so why is he having trouble, now? Unless he didn't actually really use them back then, and only got his hands on a dysfunctional one and has been trying to get it to work ever since. In other words, it's unlikely he was responsible for all the disasters back then.
 
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