Character Discussion Luffy, Rocks and Why Luffy Will Surpass

#1
So this thought came to me when trying to check (and force) parallels in the other thread and this sort of stuck of stuck to me. We had previous topics on these sort of parallels but after the Mural it points to something imo. When was the last time that the leader also had the strongest on his team too.

Nika - Had no record of an ally who was equally strong as him, could be his rival
JB - While Ryuma is pushed by some, the timelines dont match, there was also probably no one equally strong as JB with him
Roger - He had two other strong warriors with him (Ray and Gaban) but they were never the world level alliance like JB and Nika are supposed to have, his rival WB did not ally with him or went against WG together
Shanks - He also has pretty strong crew but he is a rival of Mihawk and Mihawk working under him is pretty much not going to happen
Rocks - The strongest crew we are so far introduced or hyped to and he did have WB under him but WB never accepted being under him, took effort of Roger (pirates) and Garp (marines) to bring them down

Now the Roger, Shanks and Rocks are not the seemingly world level revolutionary figures like Nika and JB and what Luffy will become. Mihawk also pointed out Luffys ability to turn those around him into his allies.

I think this is going to be the difference between Luffy and the previous generations, he himself will be the strongest but he will also have the biggest alliance and what will set him apart is that he will have this generations strongest under him in the form of Zoro. EL and SA already hinted towards this, Luffy having someone as strong as Zoro under him. With Kid and Law getting out of the OP race it is clear that they will not be the WB equivalent to Luffy, before RT there was some chance but then they became Zoro and Luffy cheerleaders and then this notion went down the drain. Roger could not have WB under him, Rocks had WB as ally but never as a true subordinate, Shanks could not have Mihawk under him but Luffy has Zoro under him.

The Grand Fleet also reinforces where strong chars and leaders of their own orgs/crews are by themselves going under the SH flag. Countries like Alabasta, Fishman Island, Dressorsa, Zou and Wano are already allied with SHPs (open or hidden) and many other smaller islands/kingdoms like Drum Kingdom and Amazon Lily imo. Grand Fleet captains are under SHPs, his biggest generation rivals allied with him (Kid, Law, Bege, Drake, Bonney etc.) and he will have the strongest core crew on top of this not to mention that the RA, the biggest threat to WG are being run by his father and brother. If you look at the overall power that Luffy can summon on request then I think he might already be stronger than every Yonko so far. I mean if Luffy asks Shanks to help him against WG then there is no way I think Shanks will refuse.
 
#4
:risiup::risiup::risiup:

Read the other part too now, hater
Why should I
You were claiming and twerking and making threads how the SHP pirates couldnt suprass Rogers less than a year ago, now you jumping up and down about rocks cause that law wb thread triggered your local LLM brain
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...hps-surpass-roger-pirates.57854/#post-5475840
You are a noodle level poster when it comes to lolo instead of kata, no matter what i must insert him into my headcanon
@grey matter look at this shit he was even arguing against you:kobeha:
 
#5
Why should I
You were claiming and twerking and making threads how the SHP pirates couldnt suprass Rogers less than a year ago, now you jumping up and down about rocks cause that law wb thread triggered your local LLM brain
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...hps-surpass-roger-pirates.57854/#post-5475840
You are a noodle level poster when it comes to lolo instead of kata, no matter what i must insert him into my headcanon
@grey matter look at this shit he was even arguing against you:kobeha:
And you ask why I call you a hater?
You got reading issues, which part are you failing to understand and comparing here? Strongest core crew part?
 
#6
And you ask why I call you a hater?
You got reading issues, which part are you failing to understand and comparing here? Strongest core crew part?
I read it well
"Core crew part" and 99 percentage about your posts are about Zoro in that topic and this one, the guy with the 4th most panel time in the crew
:risisure:
We know what is going on dog you ain't fooling anyone
 
#7
Why should I
You were claiming and twerking and making threads how the SHP pirates couldnt suprass Rogers less than a year ago, now you jumping up and down about rocks cause that law wb thread triggered your local LLM brain
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...hps-surpass-roger-pirates.57854/#post-5475840
You are a noodle level poster when it comes to lolo instead of kata, no matter what i must insert him into my headcanon
@grey matter look at this shit he was even arguing against you:kobeha:
Man, my take on gaban from an year turned out to be pretty damn accurate, even to the powerscaling lol.

Prime Gaban being a solid top tier was a relatively unpopular take back then, but should've been pretty straight forward IMO
 
#9
I read it well
"Core crew part" and 99 percentage about your posts are about Zoro in that topic and this one, the guy with the 4th most panel time in the crew
:risisure:
We know what is going on dog you ain't fooling anyone
You are saying like I have ever tried to hide that I am a fan of Zoro here or not pushing Zoro agenda. I dont, I like a few chars and generally dont hate other chars but love trolling and shitting on them for enjoyment.

If Luffy is surpassing Roger and Zoro is surpassing Ray and Sanji is surpassing Gaban and we know that these guys are the ones who are much stronger than the other ones in the crew then yes they will be the strongest core crew (in current timeline and not of all time), they will be stronger than the core crew of Shanks (Benn, Roux, Yasopp), not sure about BBPs since except BB and Aokiji the rest arent that impressive. They can become the strongest core crew ever if and when they get the likes of Yamato, Momo (after some training on his dragon powers) and Loki (not sold on him being the villain unless BB/Kid frees him and gets the one crew destruction deal). This group will be stronger than Rocks and even Roger pirates with Oden as a member.
 
#10
You are saying like I have ever tried to hide that I am a fan of Zoro here or not pushing Zoro agenda. I dont, I like a few chars and generally dont hate other chars but love trolling and shitting on them for enjoyment.

If Luffy is surpassing Roger and Zoro is surpassing Ray and Sanji is surpassing Gaban and we know that these guys are the ones who are much stronger than the other ones in the crew then yes they will be the strongest core crew (in current timeline and not of all time), they will be stronger than the core crew of Shanks (Benn, Roux, Yasopp), not sure about BBPs since except BB and Aokiji the rest arent that impressive. They can become the strongest core crew ever if and when they get the likes of Yamato, Momo (after some training on his dragon powers) and Loki (not sold on him being the villain unless BB/Kid frees him and gets the one crew destruction deal). This group will be stronger than Rocks and even Roger pirates with Oden as a member.
Yes Luffy crew will be stronger than everyones and so will be their main fighters, that has nothing to do with parallels tho
Just because Luffy suprassed kaidos and big moms crew for example he is not a parallel to them, nor are Nami Sanji Zoro and so on to the members. neither is rocks a parallel to Luffy


And bonus point (something people clowned me for when I say that couple years ago btw. :kidwat:) rocks crew is not even the power floor for the strawhats

People forget, joyboy was the first pirate, who challenged Imu. Xebec was stopped, Roger never wanted it


So there is one other layer the main combatants of SH will suprass when it come to power and people ain't ready :Gaban_Smug:we will see joyboys crew who is even stronger
 
#11
Yes Luffy crew will be stronger than everyones and so will be their main fighters, that has nothing to do with parallels tho
Just because Luffy suprassed kaidos and big moms crew for example he is not a parallel to them, nor are Nami Sanji Zoro and so on to the members. neither is rocks a parallel to Luffy


And bonus point (something people clowned me for when I say that couple years ago btw. :kidwat:) rocks crew is not even the power floor for the strawhats

People forget, joyboy was the first pirate, who challenged Imu. Xebec was stopped, Roger never wanted it


So there is one other layer the main combatants of SH will suprass when it come to power and people ain't ready :Gaban_Smug:we will see joyboys crew who is even stronger
Not one to one parallels but the thing with Kaido being JB or thinking himself to be JB and King promising to not lose and make Kaido the PK is very similar or contrasting to Luffy being JB and Zoro promising to not lose and make Luffy the PK.
 
#12
Not one to one parallels but the thing with Kaido being JB or thinking himself to be JB and King promising to not lose and make Kaido the PK is very similar or contrasting to Luffy being JB and Zoro promising to not lose and make Luffy the PK.
That's not a parallel tho, you can find this about every character
Ulti cares about page one and gets demonic when they hurt him, this doesn't make her a robin parallel. I don't know if this is a English communication kssue
Oda is very obvious with parallels
Either visually, character, or both
Like Zoro has atleast 2 clones of him visually which oda clear draws attention to
Like I said oda is not a subtle author you don't need to microanalyse to know if he thinks you should see the parallel
Fucking joyboy backshot we seen already looked like 1:1 like Luffy at onigashima :gokulaugh:
 
#13
That's not a parallel tho, you can find this about every character
Ulti cares about page one and gets demonic when they hurt him, this doesn't make her a robin parallel. I don't know if this is a English communication kssue
Oda is very obvious with parallels
Either visually, character, or both
Like Zoro has atleast 2 clones of him visually which oda clear draws attention to
Like I said oda is not a subtle author you don't need to microanalyse to know if he thinks you should see the parallel
Fucking joyboy backshot we seen already looked like 1:1 like Luffy at onigashima :gokulaugh:
Yeah it was more about promises of each RHM to their captain. But we also had the contrast of Kaido thinking himself as JB without being one and Luffy not recognizing himself as JB while being one.
 
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