So I see a lot of people, on YouTube, in here, going all over the place with DF vs Haki topic after reading Law's comment on his Shambles not working on BM nor Kaido in the new chapter, want to talk about it briefly.
A few HUGE misconceptions I see/hear:
1. Shambles doesn't work on BM means Law's DF doesn't work on BM;
2. Haki "nullifies" DF power;
3. BM's haki must be stronger than anybody Law moved before with Shambles.
No, all 3 of these are INCORRECT, correct statements would be:
1. Shambles doesn't work on BM only means this specific technique doesn't work, other techniques from Law stays undetermined;
2. Haki "resists" DF power, when DF power is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY;
3. BM's haki must be stronger than anybody that failed to resist Law's Shambles.
To understand this, here is a few questions:
1. Did Law Shambles Vergo?
2. Did Law Shambles Doflamingo?
3. Did Law Shambles Luffy?
4. What's the difference between these 3?
The answer is:
1. No, Law did not Shambles Vergo, and it is very likely that he couldn't Shambles Vergo, which is why he had so much trouble getting his heart back, Law teleported his heart from Vergo's hand(very similar to what he did to Zeus), instead of teleporting Vergo himself. And this also explains why Vergo still believed his Haki can resist Law's DF at the very end.
2. Yes Law did Shambles Doflamingo, but he only teleported Doflamingo when he's not in battle state or not paying attention to Law, which means his haki(which is will) is not there to resist Law's DF ability. Law heavily that he can't teleport DD anytime he wishes after the Red Hawk combo, which is after losing the element of surprise.
3, Yes Law did Shambles Luffy, saved him from Kaido on Rooftop is one example, switching himself with Luffy to land Gamma Knife is another example.
4. The difference between Vergo and Doflamingo, is that Vergo willingly resists Law's ability throughout, while Doflamingo was chilling at moments, once Doflamingo is in battle state against Law, his situation becomes the same as Vergo's(Which is also the same as BM's); the difference between Doflamingo being Shambled and Luffy being Shambled from Kaido's club swing, is exactly the same, no INTENTIONAL Haki resistance, they both get Shambled; the difference between Doflamingo being Shambled and Luffy being Shambled for Law to land the Gamma Knife, is that Luffy LET Law shambles him, drops all natural Haki resistance, in this situation, Law can Shambles ANYBODY.
REMEMER, HAKI IS WILL RELATED, so if you wonder how does somebody resist "being teleported", it can be as simple as his will saying "no I'm not letting you".
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Now, if Vergo resists Shambles, why did Law Mountain level Amputate cut Vergo? To understand this, you have to understand how DF and Haki interact with each other in OP.
DF and Haki battle each other when used against each other(only when applied to the individual DIRECTLY). With different DF techniques, different amount of "power" is put into it, and when a character is in different state/form, he emits different level of Haki as well, for example, Shambles would have much lower DF power put into it than Mountain level Amputate, and Vergo in his full body Haki form, would emit stronger Haki than his normal form. And the one with more "power" wins.
So Mountain level Amputate "power" > Full Body CoA Vergo "resistance power" > Vergo "resistance power" > Shambles "power".
As the result, Full Body CoA Vergo gets cut, Shambles doesn't move Vergo.
Of course, there are people with strong enough Haki to resist Mountain level Amputate as well, Doflamingo might be one, but Doflamingo can't resist Inject Shot. Think of it this way:
Shambles(applying DF power around someone's entire body, then teleports that individual) < Takt(Law can prob move somebody with Takt as well, he might be even referring to Takt when he was talking about "moving" BM or Kaido; applying DF power around someone's entire body, then moves them normally) < Amputate(applying DF power in one slashing edge, therefore more focused) < Injection Shot(applying DF power at one single point, therefore even more focused).
Many people have this mixed up, they think DF works or not is a "Haki battle" or if one individual resists ONE technique from this other individual, he resists ALL techniques, no, not the case, a DF user wouldn't battle a Haki user through Haki, he battles him through DF, it becomes DF vs Haki, NOT Haki vs Haki; also different DF techniques from the same DF ability, can have very different level of power.
However, like I said, this is only the case when DF technique is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY(It's possible that attacking Logia user through Haki works this way as well), but if you make some type of construct through your DF, like a Gamma Knife or a Bari Bari no mi Barrier, it's a different case, the Haki user is dealing with the construct itself, instead of dealing with the "power" behind a DF technique, think of it as if Law use Takt to throw a giant boulder at you, you aren't dealing with "Takt" itself anymore, you are dealing with the boulder.
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Now here comes to question, if Sugar touches Whitebeard, does he get turned into a toy or nah?
In my theory, there are 2 answers to this logically:
1. If WB doesn't know Sugar's intention, therefore not resisting, very likely he gets turned, this is how Kyros got turned, and this is why Law and Luffy were in danger if Usopp didn't take out Sugar;
2. If WB knew what Sugar is trying to do, he resists with Haki, he likely won't be turned.
If this is the case, Sugar's "power" output through her DF is quite high, since Coliseum fighters were tied down by Trebol then turned by Sugar in a pretty hostile environment, it would be weird if non of them tried to resist, but all of them turned.
A few HUGE misconceptions I see/hear:
1. Shambles doesn't work on BM means Law's DF doesn't work on BM;
2. Haki "nullifies" DF power;
3. BM's haki must be stronger than anybody Law moved before with Shambles.
No, all 3 of these are INCORRECT, correct statements would be:
1. Shambles doesn't work on BM only means this specific technique doesn't work, other techniques from Law stays undetermined;
2. Haki "resists" DF power, when DF power is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY;
3. BM's haki must be stronger than anybody that failed to resist Law's Shambles.
To understand this, here is a few questions:
1. Did Law Shambles Vergo?
2. Did Law Shambles Doflamingo?
3. Did Law Shambles Luffy?
4. What's the difference between these 3?
The answer is:
1. No, Law did not Shambles Vergo, and it is very likely that he couldn't Shambles Vergo, which is why he had so much trouble getting his heart back, Law teleported his heart from Vergo's hand(very similar to what he did to Zeus), instead of teleporting Vergo himself. And this also explains why Vergo still believed his Haki can resist Law's DF at the very end.
2. Yes Law did Shambles Doflamingo, but he only teleported Doflamingo when he's not in battle state or not paying attention to Law, which means his haki(which is will) is not there to resist Law's DF ability. Law heavily that he can't teleport DD anytime he wishes after the Red Hawk combo, which is after losing the element of surprise.
3, Yes Law did Shambles Luffy, saved him from Kaido on Rooftop is one example, switching himself with Luffy to land Gamma Knife is another example.
4. The difference between Vergo and Doflamingo, is that Vergo willingly resists Law's ability throughout, while Doflamingo was chilling at moments, once Doflamingo is in battle state against Law, his situation becomes the same as Vergo's(Which is also the same as BM's); the difference between Doflamingo being Shambled and Luffy being Shambled from Kaido's club swing, is exactly the same, no INTENTIONAL Haki resistance, they both get Shambled; the difference between Doflamingo being Shambled and Luffy being Shambled for Law to land the Gamma Knife, is that Luffy LET Law shambles him, drops all natural Haki resistance, in this situation, Law can Shambles ANYBODY.
REMEMER, HAKI IS WILL RELATED, so if you wonder how does somebody resist "being teleported", it can be as simple as his will saying "no I'm not letting you".
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Now, if Vergo resists Shambles, why did Law Mountain level Amputate cut Vergo? To understand this, you have to understand how DF and Haki interact with each other in OP.
DF and Haki battle each other when used against each other(only when applied to the individual DIRECTLY). With different DF techniques, different amount of "power" is put into it, and when a character is in different state/form, he emits different level of Haki as well, for example, Shambles would have much lower DF power put into it than Mountain level Amputate, and Vergo in his full body Haki form, would emit stronger Haki than his normal form. And the one with more "power" wins.
So Mountain level Amputate "power" > Full Body CoA Vergo "resistance power" > Vergo "resistance power" > Shambles "power".
As the result, Full Body CoA Vergo gets cut, Shambles doesn't move Vergo.
Of course, there are people with strong enough Haki to resist Mountain level Amputate as well, Doflamingo might be one, but Doflamingo can't resist Inject Shot. Think of it this way:
Shambles(applying DF power around someone's entire body, then teleports that individual) < Takt(Law can prob move somebody with Takt as well, he might be even referring to Takt when he was talking about "moving" BM or Kaido; applying DF power around someone's entire body, then moves them normally) < Amputate(applying DF power in one slashing edge, therefore more focused) < Injection Shot(applying DF power at one single point, therefore even more focused).
Many people have this mixed up, they think DF works or not is a "Haki battle" or if one individual resists ONE technique from this other individual, he resists ALL techniques, no, not the case, a DF user wouldn't battle a Haki user through Haki, he battles him through DF, it becomes DF vs Haki, NOT Haki vs Haki; also different DF techniques from the same DF ability, can have very different level of power.
However, like I said, this is only the case when DF technique is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY(It's possible that attacking Logia user through Haki works this way as well), but if you make some type of construct through your DF, like a Gamma Knife or a Bari Bari no mi Barrier, it's a different case, the Haki user is dealing with the construct itself, instead of dealing with the "power" behind a DF technique, think of it as if Law use Takt to throw a giant boulder at you, you aren't dealing with "Takt" itself anymore, you are dealing with the boulder.
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Now here comes to question, if Sugar touches Whitebeard, does he get turned into a toy or nah?
In my theory, there are 2 answers to this logically:
1. If WB doesn't know Sugar's intention, therefore not resisting, very likely he gets turned, this is how Kyros got turned, and this is why Law and Luffy were in danger if Usopp didn't take out Sugar;
2. If WB knew what Sugar is trying to do, he resists with Haki, he likely won't be turned.
If this is the case, Sugar's "power" output through her DF is quite high, since Coliseum fighters were tied down by Trebol then turned by Sugar in a pretty hostile environment, it would be weird if non of them tried to resist, but all of them turned.
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