Hello everybody before going on break wanted to put this out. The reason that led me to make this thread is because while I do see many Admiral fans, and in particular Sakazuki fans, what I don't see a whole lot of is Marine fans. So let's get started with part 1 of this Marine series that I will be doing over the scope of years (assuming the forum will be kicking for that long). The below is not simply based off of my opinion, but put together with a collective thought from some individuals, forum posters & youtubers, I am in a OP discord with (don't want to take any sole credit here, if there is any to be taken).
The Marines in the One Piece world are the largest Military group in the world. Their total force is big enough to police the 4 grand oceans and both halves of the grandline. They have also been presented as the direct opposites of Pirates as a whole, in the classic Robber-Police scenario. But in order to better understand their World set-up, lets look at their responsibilities:
Misconception: Warlords + Marine = Yonko
This misconception has been spread around in the fanbase for a long time now based on the bad translation done by Viz, where they took 海軍本部 (Marine HQ) and translated it as 海軍 (Marine). There is a vast difference between the two. The Marine HQ is the part of marines that is dedicated to dealing with the likes of the Yonko and other grandline threats. And this makes much more sense because comparing a global organization that has the above responsibilities to 4 pirate rulers of a small portion of the grandline doesn't make much sense.
Separation between 'Marines' & 'Marine HQ':
Expanding on the above so individuals reading this know a clear difference between the two, as it is crucial when you talk about faction power.
Marines - Marine HQ, Grandline divisions 1-5, Branch divisions 1- 153, marine bases located in cities like Loguetown & Sabody that aren't counted as part of the branches.
Marine HQ - Main center hub of the Marines that deals with grandline issues, and does not bother much with things going on outside the grandline.
Why does this make a difference?
The Marines as a whole have more man power than the Yonko combined. Are most of em fodder? Yes. But they're fodder who will allow the marines to run far more ships than the Yonko. Allow the marines to use more weapons. Allow the marines to layout more strategies. In a war those fodder will make a giant difference.
Layout of the Marines compared with Pirates:
Pirates = Marines
Pirates in grandline are strong = Marines in grandline are strong
Pirates have rising Pirates (supernovas) = Marines have rising marines (Smoker/Drake/Tashigi/Sentomaru/Koby/Hina/etc)
Pirates have strong Yonko underlings (the fodder) = Marines have strong underlings (The Marine HQ fodders)
Pirates have Yonko Commanders/Veterans = Marines have shit ton of Vice-Admirals (covering the whole veteran-YC range)
Pirates have the 4 Emperors = Marines have the 4 Admirals
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Evolution of the Marines:
Pre-TS: As established above, prior to the timeskip the Marine HQ + Warlords, balanced out the 4 Emperors.
Post-TS: But this is when something huge happened, that a lot (I mean nearly the entire forum fanbase) overlooks or just forgot about. And it's one of the most crucial things that happened along with the rise of Blackbeard. It is the World Government Military Draft, now I know people remember the Draft, but what's overlooked is the effect it had. The Marines have not just grown stronger, but they have grown FAR MORE stronger than ever before in their past.
Now let's think about this for a second. The Marines right now, with Garp & Sengoku no longer being on the frontlines and only being there for their name to train people and with Kuzan gone.. the Marines are not just their equal, they're not just stronger than when they had all 3 active.. They are FAR MORE stronger than when those 3 were active in the marines. And it surely can't be because of just Green Bull & Fujitora. So what does it mean? Well, it means we're in for hell of a surprise when the Marines become the focus of the manga during the Final War or whenever before that. It means the Marines have recruited strong ass people over the timeskip. It means the key Marines themselves have gotten stronger since pre-TS.
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But then arises a question that completely takes a giant crap on everything I just said, then why do the Marines need whatever Vegapunk is creating to replace the Warlords, when they're already far stronger than pre-TS?
Fear not though, I have perfect answer. The reason they need the SSG to keep the seas stable, isn't because they can't keep the restrain the Yonko on their own. It's because they're dealing with forces outside of the Yonko, and the biggest one being The Will of the People. And according to Doflamingo, an individual the majority here considers to be highly powerful, the Will of the People does not only have strong fighters, but rather they're STOCKED with fighters to be reckoned with.
Now some fans might say, what now, the CP0 counter the RA. Well to an extent yes. However, even the CP0 when going against the RA, they did not do so alone. In fact it was a joint effort of Marine fleet + CP0.
Then of course recently, the big RA clash that happened wasn't with the CP0, but it was the Marines. We also have multiple panels of Sakazuki detesting Dragon himself, so we can be certain the RA are a threat the Marines take into account.
So the SSG isn't needed just for the Emperors but for combined threat of the Emperors and another force that is as strong, if not stronger than the 4 Emperors, The Will of the People.
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That is all for this part, a short overview of the scope of the Marines and their basic set up in the one piece universe. Now of course this is my take on it, and the thread was made to share that take, disagreements are more than welcomed. In fact I made this thread right now because I would like to see where a good portion of the fanbase on the forum stands as far as the scope of the Marines goes.
I will be making Part 2 after the current Wano act finishes, which will be based on the forces of the Marines and where they stand compared to the rest of the verse (with detailed breakdown of the various individuals). For that I want to wait and see the results of the Warlord stuff, as well as the possible marine interference that will happen, which will give me more evidence and more accurate information to back up my claims above.
Please take caution:
- This is not a VS thread (So avoid Sakazuki vs Big Mom and etc)
- This is not a power level thread (so no spamming of Yonko vs Admiral stuff, in fact I hope the thread doesn't get degraded to just the Yonko vs Admirals)
THE MARINES - SCOPE
The Marines in the One Piece world are the largest Military group in the world. Their total force is big enough to police the 4 grand oceans and both halves of the grandline. They have also been presented as the direct opposites of Pirates as a whole, in the classic Robber-Police scenario. But in order to better understand their World set-up, lets look at their responsibilities:
- Dealing with millions of criminals on a daily basis.
- Policing 6 oceans. To put into perspective how big this is the Yonko who reign like Emperors look over less than 50% of the New World, which is already 50% of the grandline, which then is smaller than a single big blue. This is a crucial factor, because traveling time makes a giant difference in what forces are available to deal with a threat. When you're policing the entire world, naturally you will need more manpower, so you're able to defend yourself, if needed.
- Politics. As the reverie showcased, they are directly related to political affairs, where a huge amount of their man power is dedicated to the protection of political figures. 1-2 ships for each monarch around the globe. That's about 50-100 ships going throughout the globe occupied for weeks.
- The Revolutionaries. Marines have to assist in the wars happening across the world by the Revolutionaries where countries are being stolen from the WG.
Misconception: Warlords + Marine = Yonko
This misconception has been spread around in the fanbase for a long time now based on the bad translation done by Viz, where they took 海軍本部 (Marine HQ) and translated it as 海軍 (Marine). There is a vast difference between the two. The Marine HQ is the part of marines that is dedicated to dealing with the likes of the Yonko and other grandline threats. And this makes much more sense because comparing a global organization that has the above responsibilities to 4 pirate rulers of a small portion of the grandline doesn't make much sense.
Separation between 'Marines' & 'Marine HQ':
Expanding on the above so individuals reading this know a clear difference between the two, as it is crucial when you talk about faction power.
Marines - Marine HQ, Grandline divisions 1-5, Branch divisions 1- 153, marine bases located in cities like Loguetown & Sabody that aren't counted as part of the branches.
Marine HQ - Main center hub of the Marines that deals with grandline issues, and does not bother much with things going on outside the grandline.
Why does this make a difference?
The Marines as a whole have more man power than the Yonko combined. Are most of em fodder? Yes. But they're fodder who will allow the marines to run far more ships than the Yonko. Allow the marines to use more weapons. Allow the marines to layout more strategies. In a war those fodder will make a giant difference.
Layout of the Marines compared with Pirates:
Pirates = Marines
Pirates in grandline are strong = Marines in grandline are strong
Pirates have rising Pirates (supernovas) = Marines have rising marines (Smoker/Drake/Tashigi/Sentomaru/Koby/Hina/etc)
Pirates have strong Yonko underlings (the fodder) = Marines have strong underlings (The Marine HQ fodders)
Pirates have Yonko Commanders/Veterans = Marines have shit ton of Vice-Admirals (covering the whole veteran-YC range)
Pirates have the 4 Emperors = Marines have the 4 Admirals
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Evolution of the Marines:
Pre-TS: As established above, prior to the timeskip the Marine HQ + Warlords, balanced out the 4 Emperors.
Post-TS: But this is when something huge happened, that a lot (I mean nearly the entire forum fanbase) overlooks or just forgot about. And it's one of the most crucial things that happened along with the rise of Blackbeard. It is the World Government Military Draft, now I know people remember the Draft, but what's overlooked is the effect it had. The Marines have not just grown stronger, but they have grown FAR MORE stronger than ever before in their past.
Now let's think about this for a second. The Marines right now, with Garp & Sengoku no longer being on the frontlines and only being there for their name to train people and with Kuzan gone.. the Marines are not just their equal, they're not just stronger than when they had all 3 active.. They are FAR MORE stronger than when those 3 were active in the marines. And it surely can't be because of just Green Bull & Fujitora. So what does it mean? Well, it means we're in for hell of a surprise when the Marines become the focus of the manga during the Final War or whenever before that. It means the Marines have recruited strong ass people over the timeskip. It means the key Marines themselves have gotten stronger since pre-TS.
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But then arises a question that completely takes a giant crap on everything I just said, then why do the Marines need whatever Vegapunk is creating to replace the Warlords, when they're already far stronger than pre-TS?
Fear not though, I have perfect answer. The reason they need the SSG to keep the seas stable, isn't because they can't keep the restrain the Yonko on their own. It's because they're dealing with forces outside of the Yonko, and the biggest one being The Will of the People. And according to Doflamingo, an individual the majority here considers to be highly powerful, the Will of the People does not only have strong fighters, but rather they're STOCKED with fighters to be reckoned with.
Now some fans might say, what now, the CP0 counter the RA. Well to an extent yes. However, even the CP0 when going against the RA, they did not do so alone. In fact it was a joint effort of Marine fleet + CP0.
So the SSG isn't needed just for the Emperors but for combined threat of the Emperors and another force that is as strong, if not stronger than the 4 Emperors, The Will of the People.
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That is all for this part, a short overview of the scope of the Marines and their basic set up in the one piece universe. Now of course this is my take on it, and the thread was made to share that take, disagreements are more than welcomed. In fact I made this thread right now because I would like to see where a good portion of the fanbase on the forum stands as far as the scope of the Marines goes.
I will be making Part 2 after the current Wano act finishes, which will be based on the forces of the Marines and where they stand compared to the rest of the verse (with detailed breakdown of the various individuals). For that I want to wait and see the results of the Warlord stuff, as well as the possible marine interference that will happen, which will give me more evidence and more accurate information to back up my claims above.
Please take caution:
- This is not a VS thread (So avoid Sakazuki vs Big Mom and etc)
- This is not a power level thread (so no spamming of Yonko vs Admiral stuff, in fact I hope the thread doesn't get degraded to just the Yonko vs Admirals)
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