that alot of arguments about when people are not using hardening Haki. Luffy hand wasn't Nlack even though we know it is from Ray flashback and before. When Luffy is using Haki attacks, he literally nanes them different. When he ran out of Haki he couldn't use Elephant gun anymore because its specific Haki attack and used giganto pistol instead. So when Zoro uses purgatory onigari its always Haki attack. It explains why they are doing the exsct same attacks, but just different name. Like Gatling is called Hawk gatling with Haki. Just like the Scabbards know about Kaido body, but didn't show to use Haki. They did use Haki, but Oda is lazy or just doesn't feel like drawing it.
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then we have attacks that have both, haki version and non haki version.
so its not exactly black and white. so it proves nothing tbh
as long as we dont see the visual que or gets some confirmation from char or the attacks hits a logia w/o exploiting its weakness then shit will be always confusing
so its not exactly black and white. so it proves nothing tbh
as long as we dont see the visual que or gets some confirmation from char or the attacks hits a logia w/o exploiting its weakness then shit will be always confusing
jet pistol and sanzen sekai both are pre skip attack. so they have non haki version. then post skip they were used with haki.
jet pistol against pacifista and sanzen sekai against Pica.
not sure why u mentioned gatling tho, i never mentioned it in my previous post.
just saw that jet gatling also has a haki version same name. it was used against ceaser but got intercepted by Monet
jet pistol against pacifista and sanzen sekai against Pica.
not sure why u mentioned gatling tho, i never mentioned it in my previous post.
just saw that jet gatling also has a haki version same name. it was used against ceaser but got intercepted by Monet
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did u even read my post?
jet pistol, sanzen sekai and jet gatling all 3 are pre-skip attacks, meaning they were used w/o haki.
post skip:
jet-pistol used against pacifista>we didnt see the fist but sentomaru mentioned that luffy used haki so we know it was with haki. only thing we dont know is if it hardening or not. but if it turns out sentomaru wasnt referring to COA when he said Luffy used haki, my point still stands as i could still find two other move with haki and w/o haki. if someone looked all the past chap they likely can find more.
Jet gatling> was used against Ceaser, a logia. so ofc it had haki in it. plus Volume version corrected it with adding hardening(u can find the details in the Ryu thread)
Sanzen sekai> Zoro used it to cut pica and his sword was clad in armament hardening.
in all of these cases name didnt change when used with haki.
so we at least have 3 attack that has both haki version and non haki version DESPITE being same name.
so ur point is still wrong. we do have attacks that are improved version of old attack that has haki in it. like u mentioned those hawk moves has haki. BUT its not the rule that they name them something else when using that attack with haki.
So same name attack can have both haki version and non haki version. they can also have amped up version that uses haki too.
ISDS can be said to be a amped up version of Sanzen sekai.
jet pistol, sanzen sekai and jet gatling all 3 are pre-skip attacks, meaning they were used w/o haki.
post skip:
jet-pistol used against pacifista>we didnt see the fist but sentomaru mentioned that luffy used haki so we know it was with haki. only thing we dont know is if it hardening or not. but if it turns out sentomaru wasnt referring to COA when he said Luffy used haki, my point still stands as i could still find two other move with haki and w/o haki. if someone looked all the past chap they likely can find more.
Jet gatling> was used against Ceaser, a logia. so ofc it had haki in it. plus Volume version corrected it with adding hardening(u can find the details in the Ryu thread)
Sanzen sekai> Zoro used it to cut pica and his sword was clad in armament hardening.
in all of these cases name didnt change when used with haki.
so we at least have 3 attack that has both haki version and non haki version DESPITE being same name.
so ur point is still wrong. we do have attacks that are improved version of old attack that has haki in it. like u mentioned those hawk moves has haki. BUT its not the rule that they name them something else when using that attack with haki.
So same name attack can have both haki version and non haki version. they can also have amped up version that uses haki too.
ISDS can be said to be a amped up version of Sanzen sekai.