Versus Battle Omegamon (Digimon) vs Gogeta (Dragon ball)
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Omegamon uses merciful form and gogeta uses blue version
Gogeta as of the broly movie and omegamon as of digimon adventure tri.
What classic anime fusion given a new form would win here
Gogeta gets totally trampled. The Digimon Cosmology is vastly above anything in Dragon Ball. Omegamon can literally solo the verse blind and with one hand tied behind his back.
Digimon's cosmology structure is based on a real life philosphy,that of neoplatonic emanationism with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence the philosophy of Plato stressing especially that actual things are copies of transcendent ideas and that these ideas are the objects of true knowledge apprehended by reminiscence. The DW is the perfect world of forms and ideas.This idea can be understood as the principle of the existence of a hierarchy of worlds where there are superior and perfect worlds in contrast to inferior and imperfect worlds, all of which derive from a single unit that would be the absolute being.
The concept of a "World Hierarchy
was introduced to Digimon through the anime "Digimon Adventure'' in the platonic ideas that were used as the origin of the Digimon within this story https://adyivamceanu.wixsite.com/mysite/post/digimon-cosmology-souls-idea-and-the-power-of-thought
Within the Digimon franchise the concept of Neoplatonic emanationism is used to establish the relation between the worlds.
The adopted concept of Platonism is that there is a higher reality, a true abstract existence that is responsible for all that is individual to exist. The concept of emantionism is that there are in fact innumerable layers of reality, one more abstract than the other, but in the end with all arising from a single higher and absolute layer.According to Emanationism, Creation occurs by a process of
emanation - "out-flowing". The entire cosmos, and even all the gods and godheads beyond the cosmos, have come about through emanation. Just as the ocean forms its surface into waves, so the absolute forms create successive manifestations, successive entities. And these in turn create - or rather, emanate - further entities, and so on, with all these entities combining and interacting in the extraordinary network of existence.
Emanationism is an idea in the cosmology or cosmogony of certain religious or philosophical systems. Emanation, from the Latin emanare meaning "to flow from" or "to pour forth or out of", is the mode by which all things are derived from the first reality, or principle.
All things are derived from the first reality or perfect God by steps of degradation to lesser degrees of the first reality or God, and at every step the emanating beings are less pure, less perfect, less divine.
Each of the levels of reality in the emanationist cosmology could be termed a "World". Here, "World" is a general term meaning any self-contained realm or universe of existence. One could equally well say "Universe", "Cosmos", "Sphere", "Realm", "Plane", "Horizon", "Reality", "State of existence", "State of consciousness", etc. The term "World" has been chosen simply because it is a useful general term.
One could think of the relationship between each of these levels as being like "body and soul", "spirit and matter", or "creator and creature", in that each higher level is the soul, spirit, and creator of the level immediately below it; and the body, matter, and creature (created being) of the level immediately above it. The inhabitants of the higher worlds act like the souls of those in the lower worlds. Basically the structure of existence is divided into several layers with a physical and metaphysical difference between the layers.We humans are material beings with bodies composed of atoms, but we still have a soul that we are not able to interact with, wich is metaphysical. In an emanationist cosmology our world is located in a layer, in a layer above ours,our souls are as physical as our bodies in our layer, but these souls happen to have a new metaphysical correspondent just as the physical body has the soul.
To each level of existence, there is a higher level with this physical/metaphysical difference. Our physical bodies have
souls, souls have other souls (I will call it the second soul), the second soul has a third soul, and so on. Digimon follows the same cosmology, the world is structured in a multi-layered hierarchy.
In short, it's nothing akin to universes in parallel to one another, which a superficial knowledge of all this stuff would lead to, nor is it the difference in between the Real and the Virtual/Digital, posited by the V-Pets and by anything following the lore of the V-Pets, but the relationship between a higher plane of existence and the one that's emanated from it. It's vertical, not horizontal. The Digital World is a plane of existence in which the otherwise poorly defined "soul", or the essence, of humans can take physical form.
We humans exist in what is known as the "Physical World", above this layer there are numerous other layers (At least 6) that exist between the level of existence of the humans and digimon.The Digital World itself has an infinite number of layers and servers.Digimon also runs on the stochastic process in quantum mechanics where each action can generate infinite different worlds where something has occurred or has not occurred or to put it in Kyoko's words,each time something happens in one world,a new reality branches off,containing the other possibility with a world for every possible possibility of wich we know there are an endless number of
The Digital Worlds are also said to have an existence that transcends and errodes reality( our human world) and to stand at a higher structural level than ours. The Japanese translation actually mentions "上位の構造である i.e " aka "It's a Superior Structure" to the point it encompasses the Human World and even if you'd use the human world itself(infinte universe/infinite multiverse) as a processing resource the data that makes up the DW cannot be processed https://imgur.com/a/OCg1Xl0
It has existed far before our world and our world was created as but a shadow,an imperfect emanation from Idea,the primordial Digital World,by Demiurge the soulless creator https://imgur.com/a/UAtadZM This is just the DW alone. There are higher dimensions that transcend even it.Digimon were not created by humans,they only could only be observed once humans created the internet and digital tehnology and have existed since ancient times,having manifested as demons,yokai,shikigami through magic or sorcery and the ancient art of onmyodo. This manifestation takes place digitally now and we see them as "digital monsters" but they are actually beings coming from another dimension https://imgur.com/a/rBz57ij According to Mr. Kakudo he has this interpretation of Digimon: Digimon are called ''Digimon'' because they can be recognized by modern digital gadgets,but in the past they were recognized as yokai or shikigami, and the way they were seen changed with the times. Digimon are one of those things that have existed since ancient times and have been recognized by people as ethereal beings, but that have become tangible and visible through digital means, and that people define as "that kind of thing" so that they can understand them with their current knowledge. They are also the other half of their human's soul and their "other self https://imgur.com/a/60iJBPJ
These are all of Hiroyuki Kakudo's tweets https://imgur.com/a/dEexhPJ
When it comes to Digimon's cosmology, people need to stop thinking that the worlds are simply side-by-side of each other (or all over the place). Digimon goes by a world hierarchy (that have been called layers, levels, etc), meaning the worlds go vertically, up and down. The Human World for example is a part of that hierarchy, and it happens to be at the very bottom.
The worlds of the Human World would be side-by-side, horizontally. With the worlds of the Digital World also existing horizontally within its layers (the DW is made up of various layers), but the entire Digital World itself is beyond the Human World (all of them) because it's in a hierarchical position superior to it. Due to the Human World being at the very bottom, any world that's a part of the hierarchy (layers beyond the HW) would be beyond the Human World. This can start before even touching the Digital World. The Human World is your classic infinite multiverse.
Every possible world has emerged in a multi-layered way...and the worlds quite similar yet different to one another lie side-by-side. https://imgur.com/a/rTO5DYx
It's both vertically and horizontally.
I've used this example elsewhere but I guess I can use it here as well. This example uses "threads" and "posts" on sites.Imagine each thread to be a layer (such as this one), with the posts within each thread being universes. The layers are a part of the world hierarchy.
They're obviously many threads on the first page, with each one being a layer with universes within them.The lowest thread would be the lowest layer, equivalent to the Human World. Each post within this thread (layer) would be universes/timelines. This layer alone is basically your classic infinite multiverse. It would be the lowest, smallest, etc, layer.Each thread (layer) is superior to the last. So the second to the last thread would be superior, and the one above that would be superior to everything below it. This goes on until the very top.
You might be able to see each "page" as another collection of worlds, such as the Homeros' Digital World, the third Digital World, possibly Witchelny, etc. These worlds should be in a similar position to Yggdrasill's Digital World, which transcends the Human World (so Yggdrasill's DW would be beyond a HW, Homeros' DW would be beyond a HW, etc). In fact, according to Re Digitize (Decode), they're a variety of Digital Worlds, and all of them transcend the Human Worlds (each should have a Human World below them). We don't know how many layers would make up those worlds though (we don't know much about these worlds in general. Most worlds we've seen have been a part of Yggdrasill's DW).I believe verses like Umineko and the Dark Tower use similar logic with layers.
LEVELS OF THE COSMOLOGY
PHYSICAL WORLD
The Physical World (Also called the Physical/Material Universe) is the Platonic term for referring to the world of space, time and matter in which we humans exist. The term most commonly used to refer to this layer is “Human World” or more ambiguously Real World.This is the world that was created by Demiurge, it is a world of time and space that was created as having its base in the higher worlds. The Physical World is composed of the universes where we humans exist, these exist through the dimensions of time and space. The worlds exist infinitely and in parallel, following the infinite possibilities described by quantum mechanics, where each action can generate infinite different worlds where something has occurred or has not occurred. The story of a world, its timeline, is defined by the Wheel of Destiny, so that the life that someone lives is the result of a certain set of actions that through the Wheel of Fate is put it in one world instead or another.The Human World was created by Demiurgos.But since he used the primordial Digital World that is just like the World of Forms and concepts in neoplatonism perfect and he had to work with pre-existing chaotic matter as basis the Human World came out imperfect and is but a shadow of the Digital World https://imgur.com/a/5HHqDxP
DIMENSIONAL WALL/NETWORK (METAVERSE)
The "Dimensional Wall" is the name given to the barrier that exists between the Digital World and the Real World. The wall exists to keep the worlds apart, in case the barrier falls the worlds begin to merge, which could lead to the total destruction of all worlds In some products of the franchise, the Dimensional Wall is also referred to as the Network on which humans work, ie it would be the computer network itself. In these conditions one of the functions of the network would be the means by which information flows from the Real World to the Digital World and vice versa. Just after the level of the Real World is this "Dimensional Wall" that is divided into six layers.After crossing these 6 layers it is possible to reach the lowest layer of the Digital World, referred to as "Physical Layer". The Network is the main means of transport within the franchise, making it practically impossible to travel between the Real World or the Digital World in case the Network is disconnected. The Network is a region closer to Humans than the Digital World, and humans using their technologies have already been able to use much of the potential of Network creating several services such as the EDEN Network that has numerous servers. https://imgur.com/a/hGNnddx
DARK AREA
The Dark Area is said to be the world of nothingness.The Dark Area corrodes space itself (even a small amount of it does this).It is timeless.They're layers/levels within it.Lucemon FM can use the Dark Area to absorb entire worlds and it is an extension of his body. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...18/932117679463084052/Lucemon_Body_Part_4.png
Basically Lucemon embodies a void of nothingness without conventional space or time. The Dark Area is infinite and multi-layered. Time doesn't exist within it nor does conventional space. It's capable of swallowing the entire Digital World and Human World. It's beyond the network and Human World, just like the Digital World. It's basically the Digital World's Hell.The Dark Web is near the Dark Area (makes sense). The Deep Web was said to be near bottomless and the Dark Web is far larger.Leviamon sleeps deep on the ocean floor of the "Dark Web," a network that's next to the Dark Area. Because of his enormous size, no one has dared to touch him. Because he was asleep during Project Arc, he was not influenced by the motives of those around him, and he remains in the Dark Web as a symbol of awe. https://imgur.com/a/uMkf3E1 The Dark Area exists in a spatial distortion on another layer(dimension) than the Digital World. In the Dark Area, Anubimon, a Digimon who defends and supervises its land, judges the Digimon transferred there as good or evil. The data of bad Digimon is sealed in the Dark Area, while the data of good Digimon are restored as Digieggs.
https://imgur.com/a/YPzh7xw
However, among the evil Digimon who were sealed in the Dark Area, there exists a Digimon who uses the Dark Area as its base and is so powerful that not even Anubimon can lift a finger against it.(most likely Gulfmon and Grandracmon) The Seven Demon Lords also use the lowest layer (cocytus) of the Dark Area as their stronghold. https://imgur.com/a/FWt4xOy
The Dark Area is a materialization of the dark hearts of people, same as the Dark Ocean
.Grand Dracumon is the one who created it. https://imgur.com/a/BqbAGmo
The Dark Area is beyond the Human World and Network (it's close to the Dark Web). It's in a hierarchical position comparable to the Digital World (imagine a coin, with one side being the Digital World and the other side being the Dark Area). Time doesn't exist within it nor does conventional space. Each Digital World (Yggdrasill's DW, Homero's DW, etc) has its own Dark Area.
It's multi-layered and the deepest known layer, Cocytus, is shared by each Dark Area and Digital World (there's only one Cocytus). https://imgur.com/a/aGNwX2B
The Dark Area is pretty much the Digital World's Hell.The deepest area of the Dark Area and the Kernel are the exact opposites.Apocalymon's darkness is likely related to the Dark Area. Apocalymon's darkness has been stated to be infinite numerous times and can turn the Digital World into "Nothingness" ("Nothingness" is capitalized to show its importance). It is said that those engulfed by this darkness lose their sense of orientation in every direction as well.It's also called a world of nothingness. The Dark Area is referred to as the "Graveyard of Deleted Data", the world to where the Digimon that have been erased go. Digimon who use the power of darkness usually have the ability to erase, affect data, souls, and so on. Darkness in Digimon is an umbrella term for anything that isn’t represented by “Light”, this includes the concepts of “Death”, “Nothingness”, “Non-Evolution” and any of the “Negative Feelings”, including the “Seven Deadly Sins” that makes someone closer to “Evil” (Another thing that is also included in Darkness). You can think of Darkness as the void of nothingness that predates existence and is everything that will be once all of creation has been destroyed.
DIGITAL WORLD
Above the level of the Network, there is the Digital World. This world exists outside the Network and above the Physical World, existing on a higher structural level so that the very existence of the lower worlds would be unable to support the existence of the Digital World and even if the human world would be used as a proccesing resource (all of them)it is impossible to process its data.The Human World is cosidered only 1/108 zones of the shattered Digital World.It also apparently said more directly that the comparison is not of the computer resources available in the human universe, but rather about using the universe/multiverse itself as a method of processing the Digital World.Apparently the original text is more direct with the respect to the Digital World being in a hierarchical position superior to the multiverse of the humans to the point that the human multiverse is encompassed by the Digital World.Like the Dimensional Wall, the Digital World consists of several layers, an unknown number of them. Through the layers there are several worlds, universes that are accessed through "Addresses", such as the Training BOX, these worlds are accessed by humans through Digital Devices (Digivices / V-Pets) and there is at least one of them for each Digital Device. The worlds that exist between the layers of the Digital World are separated from each other, in fact there are beings in these worlds who do not even know that there are other worlds like the one in which they live. These worlds are known as "Servers" in the same way as the Servers that were created by humans through the Dimensional Wall. The events where we see the characters,occur in Servers of the Digital World, only a small world compared to the true nature of the Digital World. Still, the scenarios we see contain planets, stars, galaxies, and more. Even Human-Managed Servers (As of the EDEN Network) demonstrate a colossal and literally infinite size.
Do take into account that Eden has numerous servers(8)all infinite in size and the network alone has countless other worlds. The Digital World has existed far before the human world as a chaotic,primordial realm called Idea where concepts existed without any established law.The Digital World is a refference to the perfect world of forms and concepts in neoplatonism.And it has existed far before the creation of the Human World by Demiurge as Idea a primordial and chaotic world where primordial souls and concepts existed without any established law. https://imgur.com/a/nvyKB7S
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As for the Digimon they existed as shikigami,deities,spirits,demons,yokai inhabitting this world.They existed alongside humans since ancient times and manifested either through magic or sorcery or have been subjugated as shikigami through the ancient art of onmyodo. https://imgur.com/a/rBz57ij
They are souls that took a digital form. The missing half of the souls of each human being. https://imgur.com/a/60iJBPJ
According to the Digimon Story Artbook, a hierarchy of worlds is confirmed for the Digimon-verse https://imgur.com/a/pOpYg4y in other words, the worlds/multiverses are layered on top of each other, with each layer being a world/multiverse. Each being superior to the last.
In Cyber Sleuth, Suedō thought to evolve the Real World using the Digital World as a catalyst for such evolution and thus create a perfect world , which implies that the Digital World has surpassed in "perfecting" the Real World. https://imgur.com/a/RWKWE6e
https://imgur.com/a/wkP6UCj
When the Real World becomes digitized, it gains a more complex structure than it had before, which implies that anything made out of data is superior to anything from the Real World (matter, space, time, etc - everything).
REALM OF GODS
Beyond the various layers of the Digital World there is the Domain of the Four Holy Beasts, a realm created by them that exists beyond the various worlds of the Digital World. Their layer is stated to be the closest to Yggdrasil https://imgur.com/a/p4BdyrB . In ReDigitize Decode on Infinity Mountai floor 93, it's mentioned " To those who are lost may Qinglongmon protect you". He guards the east. This somewhat fits with them being close to God (Yggdrasill is on floor 100). https://imgur.com/a/1i5LqtI
While residing at this top of the hierarchy, they maintain the balance of the Digital World preventing it from being consumed by darkness. The Four Holy Beasts are the Digimon that protect the fabric of space and time as in they hold together the fabric of space time,upholding the DW and to a lesser degree the human world being called the pillars of the world https://imgur.com/a/ZeiJqP2
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being the anchor that keeps all worlds from fusing with each other and collapsing into a world of darkness.If their power weakens the ballance weakens and the dimensional boundaries that keep the worlds from fusing will begin to fall creating distortions that will lead to the fusing and the eventual destruction of all of them. https://imgur.com/a/tjN1IKy Despite all this, this world is only "close" to the true God’s Domain.
This is only as Adventure goes. The Sacred Beasts are the Digimon who protect the space and time of the Digital World , a multi-layered multiverse that is basically a higher dimension to the real world metaphysically, literally supporting and upholding it and a myriad of other worlds and their power reaches all the way to and helps the Real World(baseline infinite multiverse) as well. Basically the Digital World acts like a higher dimension/multiverse while the Real World acts like a lower multiverse. They are the pillars on wich all the possible worlds rest.The balance has to do with the dimensional boundaries that keep all possible worlds separated. If the Sacred Beasts weaken the worlds begin to overlap leading to distortions that makes them overlap and can make them loose their balance and have them collapse into nonexistence.
The Adventure Server is comprised of:
-Human World(infinite multiverse)
-Digital World(infinite multi-layered multiverse and higher dimension)
-Dark Ocean
-Dark Area(infinite and multi-layered)
-The World of Darkness of Daemon
-The World that materializes wishes
-The 5 worlds shown as pillars of light shown in the final episode of 02 that Kakudo confirmed to be parallel worlds that can be accessed with the D-3
And remeber the gate that is connected to all sorts of worlds in Vamdemon's castle and the number is not at all small. There are 9 cards. Using a basic permutation (9! = 9•8•7•6•5•4•3•2•1) there are 362,880 possible combinations of cards,each combination being a different world. The Sacred Beasts keep all the worlds plus a myriad of other worlds( The Human and Digital Worlds are much more than the single server Adventure takes place on) from melting together and collapsing into nonexistence passively.
Omegamon's halves Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon defeated the Dark Masters who defeated and sealed the Sacred Beasts in battle. Omegamon posseses more than 10x their individual power. Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon alone would manhandle Gogeta.
Digimon's cosmology structure is based on a real life philosphy,that of neoplatonic emanationism with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence the philosophy of Plato stressing especially that actual things are copies of transcendent ideas and that these ideas are the objects of true knowledge apprehended by reminiscence. The DW is the perfect world of forms and ideas.This idea can be understood as the principle of the existence of a hierarchy of worlds where there are superior and perfect worlds in contrast to inferior and imperfect worlds, all of which derive from a single unit that would be the absolute being.
The concept of a "World Hierarchy
was introduced to Digimon through the anime "Digimon Adventure'' in the platonic ideas that were used as the origin of the Digimon within this story https://adyivamceanu.wixsite.com/mysite/post/digimon-cosmology-souls-idea-and-the-power-of-thought
Within the Digimon franchise the concept of Neoplatonic emanationism is used to establish the relation between the worlds.
The adopted concept of Platonism is that there is a higher reality, a true abstract existence that is responsible for all that is individual to exist. The concept of emantionism is that there are in fact innumerable layers of reality, one more abstract than the other, but in the end with all arising from a single higher and absolute layer.According to Emanationism, Creation occurs by a process of
emanation - "out-flowing". The entire cosmos, and even all the gods and godheads beyond the cosmos, have come about through emanation. Just as the ocean forms its surface into waves, so the absolute forms create successive manifestations, successive entities. And these in turn create - or rather, emanate - further entities, and so on, with all these entities combining and interacting in the extraordinary network of existence.
Emanationism is an idea in the cosmology or cosmogony of certain religious or philosophical systems. Emanation, from the Latin emanare meaning "to flow from" or "to pour forth or out of", is the mode by which all things are derived from the first reality, or principle.
All things are derived from the first reality or perfect God by steps of degradation to lesser degrees of the first reality or God, and at every step the emanating beings are less pure, less perfect, less divine.
Each of the levels of reality in the emanationist cosmology could be termed a "World". Here, "World" is a general term meaning any self-contained realm or universe of existence. One could equally well say "Universe", "Cosmos", "Sphere", "Realm", "Plane", "Horizon", "Reality", "State of existence", "State of consciousness", etc. The term "World" has been chosen simply because it is a useful general term.
One could think of the relationship between each of these levels as being like "body and soul", "spirit and matter", or "creator and creature", in that each higher level is the soul, spirit, and creator of the level immediately below it; and the body, matter, and creature (created being) of the level immediately above it. The inhabitants of the higher worlds act like the souls of those in the lower worlds. Basically the structure of existence is divided into several layers with a physical and metaphysical difference between the layers.We humans are material beings with bodies composed of atoms, but we still have a soul that we are not able to interact with, wich is metaphysical. In an emanationist cosmology our world is located in a layer, in a layer above ours,our souls are as physical as our bodies in our layer, but these souls happen to have a new metaphysical correspondent just as the physical body has the soul.
To each level of existence, there is a higher level with this physical/metaphysical difference. Our physical bodies have
souls, souls have other souls (I will call it the second soul), the second soul has a third soul, and so on. Digimon follows the same cosmology, the world is structured in a multi-layered hierarchy.
In short, it's nothing akin to universes in parallel to one another, which a superficial knowledge of all this stuff would lead to, nor is it the difference in between the Real and the Virtual/Digital, posited by the V-Pets and by anything following the lore of the V-Pets, but the relationship between a higher plane of existence and the one that's emanated from it. It's vertical, not horizontal. The Digital World is a plane of existence in which the otherwise poorly defined "soul", or the essence, of humans can take physical form.
We humans exist in what is known as the "Physical World", above this layer there are numerous other layers (At least 6) that exist between the level of existence of the humans and digimon.The Digital World itself has an infinite number of layers and servers.Digimon also runs on the stochastic process in quantum mechanics where each action can generate infinite different worlds where something has occurred or has not occurred or to put it in Kyoko's words,each time something happens in one world,a new reality branches off,containing the other possibility with a world for every possible possibility of wich we know there are an endless number of
The Digital Worlds are also said to have an existence that transcends and errodes reality( our human world) and to stand at a higher structural level than ours. The Japanese translation actually mentions "上位の構造である i.e " aka "It's a Superior Structure" to the point it encompasses the Human World and even if you'd use the human world itself(infinte universe/infinite multiverse) as a processing resource the data that makes up the DW cannot be processed https://imgur.com/a/OCg1Xl0
It has existed far before our world and our world was created as but a shadow,an imperfect emanation from Idea,the primordial Digital World,by Demiurge the soulless creator https://imgur.com/a/UAtadZM This is just the DW alone. There are higher dimensions that transcend even it.Digimon were not created by humans,they only could only be observed once humans created the internet and digital tehnology and have existed since ancient times,having manifested as demons,yokai,shikigami through magic or sorcery and the ancient art of onmyodo. This manifestation takes place digitally now and we see them as "digital monsters" but they are actually beings coming from another dimension https://imgur.com/a/rBz57ij According to Mr. Kakudo he has this interpretation of Digimon: Digimon are called ''Digimon'' because they can be recognized by modern digital gadgets,but in the past they were recognized as yokai or shikigami, and the way they were seen changed with the times. Digimon are one of those things that have existed since ancient times and have been recognized by people as ethereal beings, but that have become tangible and visible through digital means, and that people define as "that kind of thing" so that they can understand them with their current knowledge. They are also the other half of their human's soul and their "other self https://imgur.com/a/60iJBPJ
These are all of Hiroyuki Kakudo's tweets https://imgur.com/a/dEexhPJ
When it comes to Digimon's cosmology, people need to stop thinking that the worlds are simply side-by-side of each other (or all over the place). Digimon goes by a world hierarchy (that have been called layers, levels, etc), meaning the worlds go vertically, up and down. The Human World for example is a part of that hierarchy, and it happens to be at the very bottom.
The worlds of the Human World would be side-by-side, horizontally. With the worlds of the Digital World also existing horizontally within its layers (the DW is made up of various layers), but the entire Digital World itself is beyond the Human World (all of them) because it's in a hierarchical position superior to it. Due to the Human World being at the very bottom, any world that's a part of the hierarchy (layers beyond the HW) would be beyond the Human World. This can start before even touching the Digital World. The Human World is your classic infinite multiverse.
Every possible world has emerged in a multi-layered way...and the worlds quite similar yet different to one another lie side-by-side. https://imgur.com/a/rTO5DYx
It's both vertically and horizontally.
I've used this example elsewhere but I guess I can use it here as well. This example uses "threads" and "posts" on sites.Imagine each thread to be a layer (such as this one), with the posts within each thread being universes. The layers are a part of the world hierarchy.
They're obviously many threads on the first page, with each one being a layer with universes within them.The lowest thread would be the lowest layer, equivalent to the Human World. Each post within this thread (layer) would be universes/timelines. This layer alone is basically your classic infinite multiverse. It would be the lowest, smallest, etc, layer.Each thread (layer) is superior to the last. So the second to the last thread would be superior, and the one above that would be superior to everything below it. This goes on until the very top.
You might be able to see each "page" as another collection of worlds, such as the Homeros' Digital World, the third Digital World, possibly Witchelny, etc. These worlds should be in a similar position to Yggdrasill's Digital World, which transcends the Human World (so Yggdrasill's DW would be beyond a HW, Homeros' DW would be beyond a HW, etc). In fact, according to Re Digitize (Decode), they're a variety of Digital Worlds, and all of them transcend the Human Worlds (each should have a Human World below them). We don't know how many layers would make up those worlds though (we don't know much about these worlds in general. Most worlds we've seen have been a part of Yggdrasill's DW).I believe verses like Umineko and the Dark Tower use similar logic with layers.
LEVELS OF THE COSMOLOGY
PHYSICAL WORLD
The Physical World (Also called the Physical/Material Universe) is the Platonic term for referring to the world of space, time and matter in which we humans exist. The term most commonly used to refer to this layer is “Human World” or more ambiguously Real World.This is the world that was created by Demiurge, it is a world of time and space that was created as having its base in the higher worlds. The Physical World is composed of the universes where we humans exist, these exist through the dimensions of time and space. The worlds exist infinitely and in parallel, following the infinite possibilities described by quantum mechanics, where each action can generate infinite different worlds where something has occurred or has not occurred. The story of a world, its timeline, is defined by the Wheel of Destiny, so that the life that someone lives is the result of a certain set of actions that through the Wheel of Fate is put it in one world instead or another.The Human World was created by Demiurgos.But since he used the primordial Digital World that is just like the World of Forms and concepts in neoplatonism perfect and he had to work with pre-existing chaotic matter as basis the Human World came out imperfect and is but a shadow of the Digital World https://imgur.com/a/5HHqDxP
DIMENSIONAL WALL/NETWORK (METAVERSE)
The "Dimensional Wall" is the name given to the barrier that exists between the Digital World and the Real World. The wall exists to keep the worlds apart, in case the barrier falls the worlds begin to merge, which could lead to the total destruction of all worlds In some products of the franchise, the Dimensional Wall is also referred to as the Network on which humans work, ie it would be the computer network itself. In these conditions one of the functions of the network would be the means by which information flows from the Real World to the Digital World and vice versa. Just after the level of the Real World is this "Dimensional Wall" that is divided into six layers.After crossing these 6 layers it is possible to reach the lowest layer of the Digital World, referred to as "Physical Layer". The Network is the main means of transport within the franchise, making it practically impossible to travel between the Real World or the Digital World in case the Network is disconnected. The Network is a region closer to Humans than the Digital World, and humans using their technologies have already been able to use much of the potential of Network creating several services such as the EDEN Network that has numerous servers. https://imgur.com/a/hGNnddx
DARK AREA
The Dark Area is said to be the world of nothingness.The Dark Area corrodes space itself (even a small amount of it does this).It is timeless.They're layers/levels within it.Lucemon FM can use the Dark Area to absorb entire worlds and it is an extension of his body. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...18/932117679463084052/Lucemon_Body_Part_4.png
Basically Lucemon embodies a void of nothingness without conventional space or time. The Dark Area is infinite and multi-layered. Time doesn't exist within it nor does conventional space. It's capable of swallowing the entire Digital World and Human World. It's beyond the network and Human World, just like the Digital World. It's basically the Digital World's Hell.The Dark Web is near the Dark Area (makes sense). The Deep Web was said to be near bottomless and the Dark Web is far larger.Leviamon sleeps deep on the ocean floor of the "Dark Web," a network that's next to the Dark Area. Because of his enormous size, no one has dared to touch him. Because he was asleep during Project Arc, he was not influenced by the motives of those around him, and he remains in the Dark Web as a symbol of awe. https://imgur.com/a/uMkf3E1 The Dark Area exists in a spatial distortion on another layer(dimension) than the Digital World. In the Dark Area, Anubimon, a Digimon who defends and supervises its land, judges the Digimon transferred there as good or evil. The data of bad Digimon is sealed in the Dark Area, while the data of good Digimon are restored as Digieggs.
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However, among the evil Digimon who were sealed in the Dark Area, there exists a Digimon who uses the Dark Area as its base and is so powerful that not even Anubimon can lift a finger against it.(most likely Gulfmon and Grandracmon) The Seven Demon Lords also use the lowest layer (cocytus) of the Dark Area as their stronghold. https://imgur.com/a/FWt4xOy
The Dark Area is a materialization of the dark hearts of people, same as the Dark Ocean
.Grand Dracumon is the one who created it. https://imgur.com/a/BqbAGmo
The Dark Area is beyond the Human World and Network (it's close to the Dark Web). It's in a hierarchical position comparable to the Digital World (imagine a coin, with one side being the Digital World and the other side being the Dark Area). Time doesn't exist within it nor does conventional space. Each Digital World (Yggdrasill's DW, Homero's DW, etc) has its own Dark Area.
It's multi-layered and the deepest known layer, Cocytus, is shared by each Dark Area and Digital World (there's only one Cocytus). https://imgur.com/a/aGNwX2B
The Dark Area is pretty much the Digital World's Hell.The deepest area of the Dark Area and the Kernel are the exact opposites.Apocalymon's darkness is likely related to the Dark Area. Apocalymon's darkness has been stated to be infinite numerous times and can turn the Digital World into "Nothingness" ("Nothingness" is capitalized to show its importance). It is said that those engulfed by this darkness lose their sense of orientation in every direction as well.It's also called a world of nothingness. The Dark Area is referred to as the "Graveyard of Deleted Data", the world to where the Digimon that have been erased go. Digimon who use the power of darkness usually have the ability to erase, affect data, souls, and so on. Darkness in Digimon is an umbrella term for anything that isn’t represented by “Light”, this includes the concepts of “Death”, “Nothingness”, “Non-Evolution” and any of the “Negative Feelings”, including the “Seven Deadly Sins” that makes someone closer to “Evil” (Another thing that is also included in Darkness). You can think of Darkness as the void of nothingness that predates existence and is everything that will be once all of creation has been destroyed.
DIGITAL WORLD
Above the level of the Network, there is the Digital World. This world exists outside the Network and above the Physical World, existing on a higher structural level so that the very existence of the lower worlds would be unable to support the existence of the Digital World and even if the human world would be used as a proccesing resource (all of them)it is impossible to process its data.The Human World is cosidered only 1/108 zones of the shattered Digital World.It also apparently said more directly that the comparison is not of the computer resources available in the human universe, but rather about using the universe/multiverse itself as a method of processing the Digital World.Apparently the original text is more direct with the respect to the Digital World being in a hierarchical position superior to the multiverse of the humans to the point that the human multiverse is encompassed by the Digital World.Like the Dimensional Wall, the Digital World consists of several layers, an unknown number of them. Through the layers there are several worlds, universes that are accessed through "Addresses", such as the Training BOX, these worlds are accessed by humans through Digital Devices (Digivices / V-Pets) and there is at least one of them for each Digital Device. The worlds that exist between the layers of the Digital World are separated from each other, in fact there are beings in these worlds who do not even know that there are other worlds like the one in which they live. These worlds are known as "Servers" in the same way as the Servers that were created by humans through the Dimensional Wall. The events where we see the characters,occur in Servers of the Digital World, only a small world compared to the true nature of the Digital World. Still, the scenarios we see contain planets, stars, galaxies, and more. Even Human-Managed Servers (As of the EDEN Network) demonstrate a colossal and literally infinite size.
Do take into account that Eden has numerous servers(8)all infinite in size and the network alone has countless other worlds. The Digital World has existed far before the human world as a chaotic,primordial realm called Idea where concepts existed without any established law.The Digital World is a refference to the perfect world of forms and concepts in neoplatonism.And it has existed far before the creation of the Human World by Demiurge as Idea a primordial and chaotic world where primordial souls and concepts existed without any established law. https://imgur.com/a/nvyKB7S
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As for the Digimon they existed as shikigami,deities,spirits,demons,yokai inhabitting this world.They existed alongside humans since ancient times and manifested either through magic or sorcery or have been subjugated as shikigami through the ancient art of onmyodo. https://imgur.com/a/rBz57ij
They are souls that took a digital form. The missing half of the souls of each human being. https://imgur.com/a/60iJBPJ
According to the Digimon Story Artbook, a hierarchy of worlds is confirmed for the Digimon-verse https://imgur.com/a/pOpYg4y in other words, the worlds/multiverses are layered on top of each other, with each layer being a world/multiverse. Each being superior to the last.
In Cyber Sleuth, Suedō thought to evolve the Real World using the Digital World as a catalyst for such evolution and thus create a perfect world , which implies that the Digital World has surpassed in "perfecting" the Real World. https://imgur.com/a/RWKWE6e
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When the Real World becomes digitized, it gains a more complex structure than it had before, which implies that anything made out of data is superior to anything from the Real World (matter, space, time, etc - everything).
REALM OF GODS
Beyond the various layers of the Digital World there is the Domain of the Four Holy Beasts, a realm created by them that exists beyond the various worlds of the Digital World. Their layer is stated to be the closest to Yggdrasil https://imgur.com/a/p4BdyrB . In ReDigitize Decode on Infinity Mountai floor 93, it's mentioned " To those who are lost may Qinglongmon protect you". He guards the east. This somewhat fits with them being close to God (Yggdrasill is on floor 100). https://imgur.com/a/1i5LqtI
While residing at this top of the hierarchy, they maintain the balance of the Digital World preventing it from being consumed by darkness. The Four Holy Beasts are the Digimon that protect the fabric of space and time as in they hold together the fabric of space time,upholding the DW and to a lesser degree the human world being called the pillars of the world https://imgur.com/a/ZeiJqP2
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being the anchor that keeps all worlds from fusing with each other and collapsing into a world of darkness.If their power weakens the ballance weakens and the dimensional boundaries that keep the worlds from fusing will begin to fall creating distortions that will lead to the fusing and the eventual destruction of all of them. https://imgur.com/a/tjN1IKy Despite all this, this world is only "close" to the true God’s Domain.
This is only as Adventure goes. The Sacred Beasts are the Digimon who protect the space and time of the Digital World , a multi-layered multiverse that is basically a higher dimension to the real world metaphysically, literally supporting and upholding it and a myriad of other worlds and their power reaches all the way to and helps the Real World(baseline infinite multiverse) as well. Basically the Digital World acts like a higher dimension/multiverse while the Real World acts like a lower multiverse. They are the pillars on wich all the possible worlds rest.The balance has to do with the dimensional boundaries that keep all possible worlds separated. If the Sacred Beasts weaken the worlds begin to overlap leading to distortions that makes them overlap and can make them loose their balance and have them collapse into nonexistence.
The Adventure Server is comprised of:
-Human World(infinite multiverse)
-Digital World(infinite multi-layered multiverse and higher dimension)
-Dark Ocean
-Dark Area(infinite and multi-layered)
-The World of Darkness of Daemon
-The World that materializes wishes
-The 5 worlds shown as pillars of light shown in the final episode of 02 that Kakudo confirmed to be parallel worlds that can be accessed with the D-3
And remeber the gate that is connected to all sorts of worlds in Vamdemon's castle and the number is not at all small. There are 9 cards. Using a basic permutation (9! = 9•8•7•6•5•4•3•2•1) there are 362,880 possible combinations of cards,each combination being a different world. The Sacred Beasts keep all the worlds plus a myriad of other worlds( The Human and Digital Worlds are much more than the single server Adventure takes place on) from melting together and collapsing into nonexistence passively.
Omegamon's halves Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon defeated the Dark Masters who defeated and sealed the Sacred Beasts in battle. Omegamon posseses more than 10x their individual power. Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon alone would manhandle Gogeta.
As in all of them. On average the Royal Knights are relative with each other. Even the weakest among them, Duftmon would humiliate Gogeta. Even the weakest can blast holes into space and time, erase parts of the human world like data, withstand attacks that can blast through space-time, transcend infinitely branching space-time, are acausal. And many other things.
Why would savers dukemon or mother eater from the games even be relevant here?
It's adventure continuity omegamon in merciful mode not composited even if it was quite unfair your not including heroes feats and it's infinite multiverse type feats
Dbs vs digimon adventure tri
Blue gogeta vs merciful mode omegamon
Why even bump a thread relating to adventure if your interested in specifically composited versions
It's adventure continuity omegamon in merciful mode not composited even if it was quite unfair your not including heroes feats and it's infinite multiverse type feats
Dbs vs digimon adventure tri
Blue gogeta vs merciful mode omegamon
Why even bump a thread relating to adventure if your interested in specifically composited versions
A collection of worlds that are separate/independent from another collection of worlds can qualify for "megaversal". Digimon has that, plus far more.
Any Digimon that can affect all worlds or even simply the entire Digital World (as in all the layers and worlds within them) would be megaversal as the layers are a collection of worlds,making each layer its own multiverse.(The HW alone has an infinite number of infinite sized universes,timelines,space-times that branch infinitely for infinite possibilities). And the HW is the lowest,smallest level/layer in the Hierarchy.
We don't know how many layers the DWs have in total tough but even the lowest/smallest layer of the DWs stand beyond and transcend the HW(infinite multiverse) and the Network(6 layers).
Apocalymon was a threat to all of it just by simply existing.His existence warped the fabric of space-time, and it had nearly brought the world to total destruction.His very existence created distortions. Distortions can cause the worlds to lose their balance and combine into one wich would cause them to collapse and return to the primordial void of nothingness (Digital World came abnormally close to the Real World). When dealing with distortions, there's always more than one world being involved. The situation with Belial Vamdemon was affecting 7+ worlds, likely more. In the novel, we know Vamdemon wanted all worlds. Apocalymon is a bigger threat whose distortions brought Adult level Digimon to the Human World who by just partially manifesting were creating country/continental ranged natural disasters.
He's an evil possibility that had been sealed away, one whose very existence threw the world into chaos. Everyone who gets engulfed by his darkness (Darkness Zone) lose their sense of orientation in every direction, and are shortly after turned into nothingness. Said darkness is infinite (IIRC, there's around 9 statements of it being infinite and we know it can turn the whole Digital World into nothingness, which is far larger than the Real World) and can transcend dimensions.
The quantized world (or Quantum Sea) is different than any possible world, and is the primordial world, and is supposedly where all multi-layered worlds arose from including the DW and uncountable other worlds. Ordinemon and the infected Digimon she created were disrupting the continuity of it and would have eventually destroyed it. Her miasma was erasing the Human World just like her profile says that the "endlessly overflowing" miasma is capable of covering the entire world, and ending all life on it." Apocalymon can do that via Darkness Zone.
Ordinemon was merging the worlds passively with it being stated that the DW would end up swallowing the RW. Both worlds would collapse as a result.
Ordinemon's special move "End of the World" destroys all data. Since it's called "End of the World", I wouldn't be surprised if this is how it turns the entire world into "nothingness". In the Digital World (the Real World is converted into data when Digimon manifest this being seen first hand with Lucemon FM in Frontier, the Eaters who induce Digital Shift making the RW more complex in CS and the Spirals who create Digital Points in Rearise), everything is made out of data - souls, minds, matter, space, etc.
Omegamon scales to all of this. We even know that Tamers Omegamon defeated an Apocalymon and comes from the DW of another dimension(this may or may not be the same Omegamon from Adventure).
It's honestly crazy how high S1 Digimon scale when you have proper context.
Yeah, Gogeta has no chance.
Any Digimon that can affect all worlds or even simply the entire Digital World (as in all the layers and worlds within them) would be megaversal as the layers are a collection of worlds,making each layer its own multiverse.(The HW alone has an infinite number of infinite sized universes,timelines,space-times that branch infinitely for infinite possibilities). And the HW is the lowest,smallest level/layer in the Hierarchy.
We don't know how many layers the DWs have in total tough but even the lowest/smallest layer of the DWs stand beyond and transcend the HW(infinite multiverse) and the Network(6 layers).
Apocalymon was a threat to all of it just by simply existing.His existence warped the fabric of space-time, and it had nearly brought the world to total destruction.His very existence created distortions. Distortions can cause the worlds to lose their balance and combine into one wich would cause them to collapse and return to the primordial void of nothingness (Digital World came abnormally close to the Real World). When dealing with distortions, there's always more than one world being involved. The situation with Belial Vamdemon was affecting 7+ worlds, likely more. In the novel, we know Vamdemon wanted all worlds. Apocalymon is a bigger threat whose distortions brought Adult level Digimon to the Human World who by just partially manifesting were creating country/continental ranged natural disasters.
He's an evil possibility that had been sealed away, one whose very existence threw the world into chaos. Everyone who gets engulfed by his darkness (Darkness Zone) lose their sense of orientation in every direction, and are shortly after turned into nothingness. Said darkness is infinite (IIRC, there's around 9 statements of it being infinite and we know it can turn the whole Digital World into nothingness, which is far larger than the Real World) and can transcend dimensions.
The quantized world (or Quantum Sea) is different than any possible world, and is the primordial world, and is supposedly where all multi-layered worlds arose from including the DW and uncountable other worlds. Ordinemon and the infected Digimon she created were disrupting the continuity of it and would have eventually destroyed it. Her miasma was erasing the Human World just like her profile says that the "endlessly overflowing" miasma is capable of covering the entire world, and ending all life on it." Apocalymon can do that via Darkness Zone.
Ordinemon was merging the worlds passively with it being stated that the DW would end up swallowing the RW. Both worlds would collapse as a result.
Ordinemon's special move "End of the World" destroys all data. Since it's called "End of the World", I wouldn't be surprised if this is how it turns the entire world into "nothingness". In the Digital World (the Real World is converted into data when Digimon manifest this being seen first hand with Lucemon FM in Frontier, the Eaters who induce Digital Shift making the RW more complex in CS and the Spirals who create Digital Points in Rearise), everything is made out of data - souls, minds, matter, space, etc.
Omegamon scales to all of this. We even know that Tamers Omegamon defeated an Apocalymon and comes from the DW of another dimension(this may or may not be the same Omegamon from Adventure).
It's honestly crazy how high S1 Digimon scale when you have proper context.
Yeah, Gogeta has no chance.
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