Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1170: REVERSE
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So i want to put it out there, although extremely unlikely(or is it)..
The reason Oda has shown a lot of Norse mythological creatures is not to rule out Loki's devil fruit, it's because he will be able to
Shapeshift in all of those creatures at will..
Loki's devil fruit could be..
Logia Light Light fruit Mythical Model Rainbow..
Loki's a Leprechaun God, Trickster, Shapeshifter, Vanishing invisibility, Gold manipulation, giving Golden Chestnuts to Squirrelnir to trick him for his eternal loyalty..
Would make sense if those Sunstones(painters) were created and left behind by the previous Leprechaun God so the Giants could use them to sail on Rainbows..
'' The leprechaun, a tiny elf from Irish folklore, is said to love gold coins, shamrocks, rainbows and anything green ''..
Loki in mythology is also a Shapeshifter..
The more you think about it, the more it make sense?..
The reason Oda has shown a lot of Norse mythological creatures is not to rule out Loki's devil fruit, it's because he will be able to
Shapeshift in all of those creatures at will..
Loki's devil fruit could be..
Logia Light Light fruit Mythical Model Rainbow..
Loki's a Leprechaun God, Trickster, Shapeshifter, Vanishing invisibility, Gold manipulation, giving Golden Chestnuts to Squirrelnir to trick him for his eternal loyalty..
Would make sense if those Sunstones(painters) were created and left behind by the previous Leprechaun God so the Giants could use them to sail on Rainbows..
'' The leprechaun, a tiny elf from Irish folklore, is said to love gold coins, shamrocks, rainbows and anything green ''..
Loki in mythology is also a Shapeshifter..
The more you think about it, the more it make sense?..
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Just watched one of my fav Japanese One Piece Youtubers "Another Blue", Nosuke, give his take on this chapter and he brought up a few things I thought were pretty interesting
1. Getting Acknowledged By Ragnir
When I read the chapter my personal take on the Harald's comment on the nobody having been able to eat the fruit of legend and him now being being able capable of eating it coz of his newfound strength was that Harald's personality had started becoming sullied by Imu as such Harald had started thinking that he was a "god" hence him thinking he could do anything even what those before him had failed to do. Nosuke commented on the same thing but he brought up "strength" as one of the potentially conditions for Ragnir's acnowledgment saying that by "stregth", Harald was probably referring to the strength buff he got from Imu and I thought was really interesting coz I remember Loki saying in one of the earlier chapters that he's confident he's no.1 in "strength" on Elbaf or something like that and it kinda makes sense that the condition for eating the giant's legendary DF is tied to "strength" given this is the giant's most characteristic stat/trait. He also commented on CoC being highlited during Loki's clash with Ragnir saying that that was probably a condition as well so bascially, a particular threshold of "physical strength" and "conqueror's haki" were probably what was needed to get Ragnir's acknowledment.
2. Loki's CoC
Like I and some of us had already guessed this chapter he's also of the opinion that Loki kinda like Zoro on Wano, was using CoC subconciosuly hence Loki's comments to Gaban about him not properly understanding his powers when Gaban explained proper way to utilize CoC to the lads in the underworld.
3. Loki's final comments to Harald
Right before Loki killed Harald, he told him that he was the shittiest of parents and that he would detest him for as long as he lives and then Harald replying saying "Me too, I Love you"
Personally when I first read this I simply thought that Harald's comments were referring to him understanding how fcked up what he asked Loki to do was hence the "me too" and then telling him he loves him but then Nosuke reminded me that Loki has a tendency to be "tsundere" of sorts lol in that he masks his true feelings with cold words etc. so what he was probably actually saying in that moment was that "I don't want you to die dad, I Love you" or something along those lines and Harald understood that hence why he said "me too, I love you"and this makes sense because even this chapter Oda confirmed that Harald could see behind Loki's masked words and all the rumors and he truly understood his son with him thanking him about "Alcohol Town" incident.
4. Loki breaking Imu's connection with Harald
This is something that's been a mystery for me since the chapter ended and tbf, this is something that a few people have already commented on when the chapter came out but Nosuke highlighted the fact that Oda highlighted Harald's Deep Sea seal taking damage saying that, damaging the seal but partcicularly damaging it with "CoC" was probably why Imu's connection was cut off but only temporarily because Harald himself urged Loki to kill him before Imu took control again.
Atm that's all I remember but I did find it interesting that there was no mention from him even once on Loki's power level, which is interesting to me because that was the biggest takeaway from the western fanbase on this chapter lol so wonder if this obsession with PLs is just a cultural ting and if it is, kinda begets the question whether Oda's as fussed with it as we are lol. Of course it could be that Nosuke is simply not as obsseesed with stuff like that but thought it was interesting regardless. Also he conmnented on Loki most likely having the Fenrir DF, given it is most likely a zoan, seems to have claws and use claw attacks, seems to have fur and seemed to have been a four legged animal with that panel of Loki running towards Harald after he consumed the fruit.
1. Getting Acknowledged By Ragnir
When I read the chapter my personal take on the Harald's comment on the nobody having been able to eat the fruit of legend and him now being being able capable of eating it coz of his newfound strength was that Harald's personality had started becoming sullied by Imu as such Harald had started thinking that he was a "god" hence him thinking he could do anything even what those before him had failed to do. Nosuke commented on the same thing but he brought up "strength" as one of the potentially conditions for Ragnir's acnowledgment saying that by "stregth", Harald was probably referring to the strength buff he got from Imu and I thought was really interesting coz I remember Loki saying in one of the earlier chapters that he's confident he's no.1 in "strength" on Elbaf or something like that and it kinda makes sense that the condition for eating the giant's legendary DF is tied to "strength" given this is the giant's most characteristic stat/trait. He also commented on CoC being highlited during Loki's clash with Ragnir saying that that was probably a condition as well so bascially, a particular threshold of "physical strength" and "conqueror's haki" were probably what was needed to get Ragnir's acknowledment.
2. Loki's CoC
Like I and some of us had already guessed this chapter he's also of the opinion that Loki kinda like Zoro on Wano, was using CoC subconciosuly hence Loki's comments to Gaban about him not properly understanding his powers when Gaban explained proper way to utilize CoC to the lads in the underworld.
3. Loki's final comments to Harald
Right before Loki killed Harald, he told him that he was the shittiest of parents and that he would detest him for as long as he lives and then Harald replying saying "Me too, I Love you"
Personally when I first read this I simply thought that Harald's comments were referring to him understanding how fcked up what he asked Loki to do was hence the "me too" and then telling him he loves him but then Nosuke reminded me that Loki has a tendency to be "tsundere" of sorts lol in that he masks his true feelings with cold words etc. so what he was probably actually saying in that moment was that "I don't want you to die dad, I Love you" or something along those lines and Harald understood that hence why he said "me too, I love you"
and this makes sense because even this chapter Oda confirmed that Harald could see behind Loki's masked words and all the rumors and he truly understood his son with him thanking him about "Alcohol Town" incident.4. Loki breaking Imu's connection with Harald
This is something that's been a mystery for me since the chapter ended and tbf, this is something that a few people have already commented on when the chapter came out but Nosuke highlighted the fact that Oda highlighted Harald's Deep Sea seal taking damage saying that, damaging the seal but partcicularly damaging it with "CoC" was probably why Imu's connection was cut off but only temporarily because Harald himself urged Loki to kill him before Imu took control again.
Atm that's all I remember but I did find it interesting that there was no mention from him even once on Loki's power level, which is interesting to me because that was the biggest takeaway from the western fanbase on this chapter lol so wonder if this obsession with PLs is just a cultural ting and if it is, kinda begets the question whether Oda's as fussed with it as we are lol. Of course it could be that Nosuke is simply not as obsseesed with stuff like that but thought it was interesting regardless. Also he conmnented on Loki most likely having the Fenrir DF, given it is most likely a zoan, seems to have claws and use claw attacks, seems to have fur and seemed to have been a four legged animal with that panel of Loki running towards Harald after he consumed the fruit.
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Right so the onomatopoeia when Loki first transform is '' Baoooo '', what kind of beast would make a sound like.. I was randomly
searching for Life Span in Enies Lobby when i stopped at Spandam's Elephant Sword, the sound of the Elephant is '' Paooo '', but then when Franky slams it onto the ground his sound effect turns to '' Baoooo ''.. This got me wondering if Loki's fruit could be the yokai Baku, it has an Elephants head, Tiger's claws and feeds on Nightmares.. It's unrelated to Norse Mythology, but whatever it would be cool..
Loki's mouth is kind of hidden while in hybrid..
Also realized that '' Shururu '', suggest transformation, so Loki must have beaten Harald mostly in Zoan form, not hybrid..
searching for Life Span in Enies Lobby when i stopped at Spandam's Elephant Sword, the sound of the Elephant is '' Paooo '', but then when Franky slams it onto the ground his sound effect turns to '' Baoooo ''.. This got me wondering if Loki's fruit could be the yokai Baku, it has an Elephants head, Tiger's claws and feeds on Nightmares.. It's unrelated to Norse Mythology, but whatever it would be cool..
Loki's mouth is kind of hidden while in hybrid..
Also realized that '' Shururu '', suggest transformation, so Loki must have beaten Harald mostly in Zoan form, not hybrid..
Just watched one of my fav Japanese One Piece Youtubers "Another Blue", Nosuke, give his take on this chapter and he brought up a few things I thought were pretty interesting
1. Getting Acknowledged By Ragnir
When I read the chapter my personal take on the Harald's comment on the nobody having been able to eat the fruit of legend and him now being being able capable of eating it coz of his newfound strength was that Harald's personality had started becoming sullied by Imu as such Harald had started thinking that he was a "god" hence him thinking he could do anything even what those before him had failed to do. Nosuke commented on the same thing but he brought up "strength" as one of the potentially conditions for Ragnir's acnowledgment saying that by "stregth", Harald was probably referring to the strength buff he got from Imu and I thought was really interesting coz I remember Loki saying in one of the earlier chapters that he's confident he's no.1 in "strength" on Elbaf or something like that and it kinda makes sense that the condition for eating the giant's legendary DF is tied to "strength" given this is the giant's most characteristic stat/trait. He also commented on CoC being highlited during Loki's clash with Ragnir saying that that was probably a condition as well so bascially, a particular threshold of "physical strength" and "conqueror's haki" were probably what was needed to get Ragnir's acknowledment.
2. Loki's CoC
Like I and some of us had already guessed this chapter he's also of the opinion that Loki kinda like Zoro on Wano, was using CoC subconciosuly hence Loki's comments to Gaban about him not properly understanding his powers when Gaban explained proper way to utilize CoC to the lads in the underworld.
3. Loki's final comments to Harald
Right before Loki killed Harald, he told him that he was the shittiest of parents and that he would detest him for as long as he lives and then Harald replying saying "Me too, I Love you"
Personally when I first read this I simply thought that Harald's comments were referring to him understanding how fcked up what he asked Loki to do was hence the "me too" and then telling him he loves him but then Nosuke reminded me that Loki has a tendency to be "tsundere" of sorts lol in that he masks his true feelings with cold words etc. so what he was probably actually saying in that moment was that "I don't want you to die dad, I Love you" or something along those lines and Harald understood that hence why he said "me too, I love you"and this makes sense because even this chapter Oda confirmed that Harald could see behind Loki's masked words and all the rumors and he truly understood his son with him thanking him about "Alcohol Town" incident.
4. Loki breaking Imu's connection with Harald
This is something that's been a mystery for me since the chapter ended and tbf, this is something that a few people have already commented on when the chapter came out but Nosuke highlighted the fact that Oda highlighted Harald's Deep Sea seal taking damage saying that, damaging the seal but partcicularly damaging it with "CoC" was probably why Imu's connection was cut off but only temporarily because Harald himself urged Loki to kill him before Imu took control again.
Atm that's all I remember but I did find it interesting that there was no mention from him even once on Loki's power level, which is interesting to me because that was the biggest takeaway from the western fanbase on this chapter lol so wonder if this obsession with PLs is just a cultural ting and if it is, kinda begets the question whether Oda's as fussed with it as we are lol. Of course it could be that Nosuke is simply not as obsseesed with stuff like that but thought it was interesting regardless. Also he conmnented on Loki most likely having the Fenrir DF, given it is most likely a zoan, seems to have claws and use claw attacks, seems to have fur and seemed to have been a four legged animal with that panel of Loki running towards Harald after he consumed the fruit.
1. Getting Acknowledged By Ragnir
When I read the chapter my personal take on the Harald's comment on the nobody having been able to eat the fruit of legend and him now being being able capable of eating it coz of his newfound strength was that Harald's personality had started becoming sullied by Imu as such Harald had started thinking that he was a "god" hence him thinking he could do anything even what those before him had failed to do. Nosuke commented on the same thing but he brought up "strength" as one of the potentially conditions for Ragnir's acnowledgment saying that by "stregth", Harald was probably referring to the strength buff he got from Imu and I thought was really interesting coz I remember Loki saying in one of the earlier chapters that he's confident he's no.1 in "strength" on Elbaf or something like that and it kinda makes sense that the condition for eating the giant's legendary DF is tied to "strength" given this is the giant's most characteristic stat/trait. He also commented on CoC being highlited during Loki's clash with Ragnir saying that that was probably a condition as well so bascially, a particular threshold of "physical strength" and "conqueror's haki" were probably what was needed to get Ragnir's acknowledment.
2. Loki's CoC
Like I and some of us had already guessed this chapter he's also of the opinion that Loki kinda like Zoro on Wano, was using CoC subconciosuly hence Loki's comments to Gaban about him not properly understanding his powers when Gaban explained proper way to utilize CoC to the lads in the underworld.
3. Loki's final comments to Harald
Right before Loki killed Harald, he told him that he was the shittiest of parents and that he would detest him for as long as he lives and then Harald replying saying "Me too, I Love you"
Personally when I first read this I simply thought that Harald's comments were referring to him understanding how fcked up what he asked Loki to do was hence the "me too" and then telling him he loves him but then Nosuke reminded me that Loki has a tendency to be "tsundere" of sorts lol in that he masks his true feelings with cold words etc. so what he was probably actually saying in that moment was that "I don't want you to die dad, I Love you" or something along those lines and Harald understood that hence why he said "me too, I love you"
and this makes sense because even this chapter Oda confirmed that Harald could see behind Loki's masked words and all the rumors and he truly understood his son with him thanking him about "Alcohol Town" incident.4. Loki breaking Imu's connection with Harald
This is something that's been a mystery for me since the chapter ended and tbf, this is something that a few people have already commented on when the chapter came out but Nosuke highlighted the fact that Oda highlighted Harald's Deep Sea seal taking damage saying that, damaging the seal but partcicularly damaging it with "CoC" was probably why Imu's connection was cut off but only temporarily because Harald himself urged Loki to kill him before Imu took control again.
Atm that's all I remember but I did find it interesting that there was no mention from him even once on Loki's power level, which is interesting to me because that was the biggest takeaway from the western fanbase on this chapter lol so wonder if this obsession with PLs is just a cultural ting and if it is, kinda begets the question whether Oda's as fussed with it as we are lol. Of course it could be that Nosuke is simply not as obsseesed with stuff like that but thought it was interesting regardless. Also he conmnented on Loki most likely having the Fenrir DF, given it is most likely a zoan, seems to have claws and use claw attacks, seems to have fur and seemed to have been a four legged animal with that panel of Loki running towards Harald after he consumed the fruit.