Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1194: EVERYTHING CHANGES

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Which is funny because I presented arguments to you from 2022-2025 and you addressed none of them. Lol

All of these guys are stronger than Vista:


Here you can see drunken Kuzan neg diffing Pizarro and Vasco:


Pizarro in particular tanked two island sized AdCoC nukes from Garp and Koby while King was one shot by the same Zolo who couldn’t beat Lucci:


-Can tank island sized AdCoC nukes from
Garp and Koby, can’t tank drunken Kuzan

And of course this is what a Yawnco had to say when drunken Kuzan picked a fight with him and his entire crew:


Now just to show you how fair I am, here is an image of top tier characters stating how afraid they are of Mihawk’s strength:
Lee cooking these frauds 🔥 @MarineHQ
 
Zoro would give up on his dream if it means he'll save Luffy.
And Luffy would die and give up his dream if it meant saving Zoro
What kinda bullshit logic is that?

And read the actual statement
In Thriller Bark he said if he can't even protect his captain and crew, he is not worth being WSS. WSS is a strength based title, what good is strength if it can't even protect friends.
 
Yeah @Elder Lee Hung is definitely stuck in the past and refuses to acknowledge reality.

Shit happens, life changes, we have to adapt with the change. You cant be born in 80s and act like life is still a same.

An Admiral is 2018 is literally a glorified commander at best and their feats are dog shit if they actually are top tiers and they have enough anti-feats for them to not be considered top tiers assuming Shanks is a top tier..Green Broccoli is clearly a glorified fodder to him.
The guy was using a panel from 17 years ago, man. That’s literally the only reference he has.

We used to have a general understanding that when top tiers fought other top tiers, it was at the very least a high-diff fight and usually an extreme-diff one. Then Green Bull straight-up admitted he was weaker than Kaido and genuinely feared him, Shanks Wi-Fi diffed Green Bull, and Xebec killed an Admiral just by bumping into him in a hallway.

Kizaru and Aokiji’s pathetic performances only reinforced my view even more. At this point, you really can’t call the Admirals top tiers. They’re basically in the manga just to be glorified commanders.
 
And Luffy would die and give up his dream if it meant saving Zoro
What kinda bullshit logic is that?

And read the actual statement
In Thriller Bark he said if he can't even protect his captain and crew, he is not worth being WSS. WSS is a strength based title, what good is strength if it can't even protect friends.
Luffy is super selfish and constantly brings the SH crew into unnecessary danger just because he wants to fulfill his own goals.
 
Almost all positive characters in a story would give up their life for certain convinctions, doesn't mean they have no strong sense of self (which is what Oda is Retconning coc to be).
I also think Sanji will get it when he accepts his germa part (hence Gaban says he is "self deprecating/torturing).
It's usually the crewmates following their Captain's commands no matter how selfish they are.

Sure, Luffy might try to save Zoro, but 9/10 times Zoro is in that dire situation because of Luffy.
 
Man Zoro is so retarded...
He must have seen green smoke and lightning coming of his swords back in Wano. The fact he even named it means the saw/felt a difference.
Kaido literaly said he used CoC's...
People around him fainted and King asked him what King he wants to be...
''Ehhh, i HaVe CoNqUeReRs HaKi?'' :Patrickthink:
''I thought CoC was only for Captains!'' - literaly saw Rayleigh back in Sabaody use CoC...:Patrickthink:
I believe that Oda thinks, for some reason, that this makes Zoro look more badass, because he is so focused on his goal and fights that he didn't notice fodder fainting, or his swords leaking haki and stuff

But still, he is so unaware to some of the shit he is doing and seeing that it just feels duumb, but hey even Luffy of all people calls Zoro dumb, you wont see Luffy saying that about Sanji.. so it fits lmao
 
Man Zoro is so retarded...
He must have seen green smoke and lightning coming of his swords back in Wano. The fact he even named it means the saw/felt a difference.
Kaido literaly said he used CoC's...
People around him fainted and King asked him what King he wants to be...
''Ehhh, i HaVe CoNqUeReRs HaKi?'' :Patrickthink:
''I thought CoC was only for Captains!'' - literaly saw Rayleigh back in Sabaody use CoC...:Patrickthink:
Oda: "Zoro thinks Captain Ussop will have CoC, I am a genius"
 
Which is funny because I presented arguments to you from 2022-2025 and you addressed none of them. Lol

All of these guys are stronger than Vista:


Here you can see drunken Kuzan neg diffing Pizarro and Vasco:


Pizarro in particular tanked two island sized AdCoC nukes from Garp and Koby while King was one shot by the same Zolo who couldn’t beat Lucci:


-Can tank island sized AdCoC nukes from
Garp and Koby, can’t tank drunken Kuzan

And of course this is what a Yawnco had to say when drunken Kuzan picked a fight with him and his entire crew:


Now just to show you how fair I am, here is an image of top tier characters stating how afraid they are of Mihawk’s strength:
Dude this is why I say you are still stuck in 2018
You keep using Vista like it is some how supposed to trigger me.

Clown I said Zoro has repeatedly stomped people far stronger than Vista.
And yes ACTUALLY far stronger than Vista not your make belief fantasy where Oda came in your dream and told you "All these guys are stronger than Vista"

Here is an actual character stronger than Vista, a 2% HP Zoro while fighting his own sword, mutilated


After Day Dreaming of Mihawk


And Janitor CuckBrocoilli the Film Red Promotional Material was introduced as a Janitor to pick up Zoro's Left Overs.
Literally stated in manga chapter after he defeated King and Queen "He is picking on the injured or something alone those lines.

Here is another guy stronger than Vista, ACTUALLY STRONGER than Vista, not your Admiral fuck boy fantasy "All Guys Stronger than Vista" Zoro turned into a Walking Corpse with his casual attack while Zoro was distracted. Usually in admiral's case a commander level opponent is distracted and they cheap shot them


And RIGHT NOW Zoro is about to Stomp a Dude who might legitimately kill all the Whitebeard commanders Akainu fought for 2 minutes at most and did nothing more than Aura Farming and defeating Curiel who is at best as strong as a gifter.


You are stuck in 2018 because you are still looking at Manga from Marine Ford lens, when those cuck-ass Vista arguments did not work on me even in 2018, you think now you said something ground breaking?

Mihawk isn't some guy who fought Vista in Marine Ford, since then he also became the guy who
-Made his Blade Black by Countless Battles, and is probably the result of peak tier Haki, either CoC or CoA or Both
-Has 3.6 Billion Bounty and World Government itself considered Mihawk so much bigger than a Yonko, that even when he "serves" under a Yonko, he is seen as a bigger threat.
-He had Yonko title on his lap and he said fuck this tittle it is beneath me, I'd let the clown keep it
-The Guy Zoro who is collecting bodies for YC1 YC1+ and Low top tiers now for hobby, desperately trying to surpass
-Grand Master of Conqueror's Haki
-Strongest Swordsman in the World were both Roger and Xebec are swordsmen

Meanwhile Cuckmirals have done nothing to upgrade themselves from guys who were used as a Soccer ball by YC1 level character.


And needing a YC1 to be pinned by a Vice Admiral, be in Sea Stone Cuffs and not looking at you



At least Marco was looking at him when Cuckboy Garp Punched him. DoorDashZaru didn't even get that privilege.

Post Time Skip Fujitora is also treated by YC1 level and weaker characters.
First Zoro overpowers him and he runs away like a bitch


Then Sabo has him on his ass for like what? 20 Chapters?


Oh but one thing changed about Admirals in terms of Portrayal, instead of "defeating" Yonko's commanders when they are not looking, now they are punching bags for actual top tiers.

Sometimes they get knocked on their ass


Sometimes they bend over back wards and get fucked in the ass from 2 Miles away in a literal neg diff loss


And sometimes they are so fragile, a Top Tier runs into them and they die in the backstage


WTF are you celebrating lmao
 
Dude this is why I say you are still stuck in 2018
You keep using Vista like it is some how supposed to trigger me.

Clown I said Zoro has repeatedly stomped people far stronger than Vista.
And yes ACTUALLY far stronger than Vista not your make belief fantasy where Oda came in your dream and told you "All these guys are stronger than Vista"

Here is an actual character stronger than Vista, a 2% HP Zoro while fighting his own sword, mutilated


After Day Dreaming of Mihawk


And Janitor CuckBrocoilli the Film Red Promotional Material was introduced as a Janitor to pick up Zoro's Left Overs.
Literally stated in manga chapter after he defeated King and Queen "He is picking on the injured or something alone those lines.

Here is another guy stronger than Vista, ACTUALLY STRONGER than Vista, not your Admiral fuck boy fantasy "All Guys Stronger than Vista" Zoro turned into a Walking Corpse with his casual attack while Zoro was distracted. Usually in admiral's case a commander level opponent is distracted and they cheap shot them


And RIGHT NOW Zoro is about to Stomp a Dude who might legitimately kill all the Whitebeard commanders Akainu fought for 2 minutes at most and did nothing more than Aura Farming and defeating Curiel who is at best as strong as a gifter.


You are stuck in 2018 because you are still looking at Manga from Marine Ford lens, when those cuck-ass Vista arguments did not work on me even in 2018, you think now you said something ground breaking?

Mihawk isn't some guy who fought Vista in Marine Ford, since then he also became the guy who
-Made his Blade Black by Countless Battles, and is probably the result of peak tier Haki, either CoC or CoA or Both
-Has 3.6 Billion Bounty and World Government itself considered Mihawk so much bigger than a Yonko, that even when he "serves" under a Yonko, he is seen as a bigger threat.
-He had Yonko title on his lap and he said fuck this tittle it is beneath me, I'd let the clown keep it
-The Guy Zoro who is collecting bodies for YC1 YC1+ and Low top tiers now for hobby, desperately trying to surpass
-Grand Master of Conqueror's Haki
-Strongest Swordsman in the World were both Roger and Xebec are swordsmen

Meanwhile Cuckmirals have done nothing to upgrade themselves from guys who were used as a Soccer ball by YC1 level character.


And needing a YC1 to be pinned by a Vice Admiral, be in Sea Stone Cuffs and not looking at you



At least Marco was looking at him when Cuckboy Garp Punched him. DoorDashZaru didn't even get that privilege.

Post Time Skip Fujitora is also treated by YC1 level and weaker characters.
First Zoro overpowers him and he runs away like a bitch


Then Sabo has him on his ass for like what? 20 Chapters?


Oh but one thing changed about Admirals in terms of Portrayal, instead of "defeating" Yonko's commanders when they are not looking, now they are punching bags for actual top tiers.

Sometimes they get knocked on their ass


Sometimes they bend over back wards and get fucked in the ass from 2 Miles away in a literal neg diff loss


And sometimes they are so fragile, a Top Tier runs into them and they die in the backstage


WTF are you celebrating lmao
Yeah the more the manga goes the more I'm convinced black blades = ACoC + ACoA/ Omen (if any other character besides Imu n associate will use it, it will be mihawk)
I'm more on the ACoC + ACoA side since Ryuma also forged one.
I think massive upscales are coming for both characters via black blade reveal (the longer oda takes to reveal something = more busted it is, usually)
 
@Elder Lee Hung Oh and that Pizzaro bullshit is the reason why I keep telling you you have lost your touch. How can quality of your arguments drop so bad, since I stopped taking One Piece seriously, you used to be a genuinely good debater who presented actual argument.

Now you just take every possible crumb you can get in manga, multiply that by 1000 and give an Admiral a W he never got.

Pizzaro is Pica from Walmart lol, dude can become Pica but not even move from his place, and all Coby did was break his arm.

How do you know it is even CoC? Even Scabbards attack had black sparks.

And clown not all CoC users are built the same.
You can be YC1+ trash like Yamato whose Signature CoC attacks Barely injure Ulti,
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
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Dude this is why I say you are still stuck in 2018
“Stuck in 2018,” yet all of the Kuzan scenes happened in 2023 during Egghead. Lol

Clown I said Zoro has repeatedly stomped people far stronger than Vista.
Zolo has canonically only fought 1 dude stronger than Vista in the form of King. And this gets back to what I was saying about Oda plotting Zolo to victory.

It was widely criticized by the broader fandom that King only lost to Zolo because King literally turned his invincibility off by firing off his flames when there was zero reason for him to do so. If King would have just kept his flames on, Zolo would have eventually lost, but Oda instead had King snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by having him perform an action that made absolutely no sense, so that Zolo could achieve a victory he didn’t earn or deserve.

And see this is the opposite of what Oda does with the Admirals: He always gives them reasons why they can’t show their full power, emotionally nerfs them but not their opponents, places them in scenarios where they have to hold back, etc.

And this is why I stated: the Admirals are so powerful that Oda constantly has to nerf them so they don’t end the manga. Meanwhile Zolo is the opposite: such a weakling that Oda literally introduced an invincible character so Zolo could accidentally fall into a win he did not deserve.

You disregard this because you are a liar. Lol

Literally stated in manga chapter after he defeated King and Queen "He is picking on the injured or something alone those lines.
You know your evidence is weak when you aren’t even able to pull the quote you are referencing. Lol

“Allow me to now make an argument based on a quote I don’t even remember”

And no, the scabbards were completely healed when Gigabull attacked, and the scabbards took far more damage than King and Queen did. King and Queen are also fast healing Zoans while the scabbards are not.

Regardless, King and Queen being wounded does not change the context of the quote I gave you. Gigabull doesn’t state “I’d lose face if I lost to weakened opponents,” he states “I’d lose face if I lost to commanders.” At no point did Green Bull imply that he could have lost if they were fresh, and in fact his words imply that he still would be expected to win anyway.

Now Lucci is debatably not even stronger than Vista at all, but Zolo canonically did not beat Vista as I already proved to you, Lucci recovered from Zolo’s slash instantly and Jinbe had to punch him away, grab Zolo, and run lmfao. At no point did Zolo knock Lucci out during that encounter.

And RIGHT NOW Zoro is about to Stomp a Dude who might legitimately kill all the Whitebeard commanders Akainu fought for 2 minutes at most and did nothing more than Aura Farming and defeating Curiel who is at best as strong as a gifter.
If you think Sommers can beat Marco alone, you are a legitimate clown.

As a teenager, Marco fought against the prime Roger pirates and was not defeated:


This is even crazier now that we know Gaban and Rayleigh have comparable legends to Roger himself, and this was literally a rookie Marco.

Gaban stated that the Roger Pirates bodies the Holy Knights numerous times, but they could never beat a rookie Marco who was only sparring with them and not seriously fighting against the Dodger Pirates.

At Marineford, he blocked Kizaru’s Yata Mirror which in the recent manga shot straight through Sanji:



Kicked through Kizaru’s guard when the same base Luffy who could badly injure Kaido could not do:






Blocked a magma fist from Akainu which blew his captain’s head off:



Was objectively winning against Big Mom:



This scene is even more humiliating in color:


Marco looked better 1v1 against Big Mom than Kid and Law looked against her for most of their 2v1.


Had an extended fight against King and Queen simultaneously where he was getting in big blows against them both:








“But trust me bro, solo’ing King and Queen isn’t a big deal!”


While severely wounded, blocked Kaido’s Bolo Breath easily:



Marco legit has strong feats against more top tiers than anyone else in the verse. Unlike Mihawk, he is actually a character Oda deemed worthy of clashing against top tiers, and never outright losing.

You know which top tier wasn’t worth Marco’s time?


Oh but one thing changed about Admirals in terms of Portrayal, instead of "defeating" Yonko's commanders when they are not looking, now they are punching bags for actual top tiers.
The Admirals have canonically either beaten or had great portrayal against more top tiers than Mihawk has ever even laid eyes on.

This guy is stronger than Mihawk:


This guy is probably around the same general level as Mihawk:


Remember how Oda didn’t deem Mihawk worthy of facing Whitebeard?




Now what did Mihawk think of the Yawnco?


What do the Admirals think of the Yawnco?



We see two different instances of Admirals being unafraid of facing multiple Yawnco, while Mihawk was clearly afraid of picking a fight with Yawnco.

There is more than I have even mentioned here, such as Admirals canonically restraining themselves or even not using their fruit powers to overwhelm/fight equally with the old legend characters who are stronger than Mihawk, to Akainu defeating Aokiji, to Blackbeard running from Akainu, to Dragon openly stating he didn’t want to start a war with the Marines, to Gigabull negging Weevil but being scared of starting a fight with Fujitora, etc…

Either way the portrayal is clear and overwhelming. Mihawk is simply a top pirate, nothing more. The Admirals are far far above that level.
 
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