Powers & Abilities Possibility of Zoro getting a powerup in Wano Arc (after chapter 1044)

uyuu

uyuu

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Supporting stuff from my opinion

- Someone told me that theres a chapter titled "Warrior of Science" for Sanji, then "Warrior of Liberation" for Luffy, but theres not yet a chapter titled "Warrior of So and So" for Zoro. Maybe it's a foreshadowing of Zoro getting his next powerup?

- There was a Grim Reaper waiting to strike Zoro "somewhere" (hallucination? Death metaphor Zoro must overcome?)

- Kaidou waiting for Monster Samurai, while Luffy's as far as it can get from being a samurai

- Binks Sake lyrics about rising moon = Shimotsuki?

- Luffy's not the killing type and Kaidou seem to be relentless except if you kill him

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Disproving points from my opinion

- What will be the powerup's purpose? Will it be needed to fight Kaidou? I really don't think so, since only Luffy is powerful enough at this point to defeat Kaidou. So will it be against government agents after Luffy sleeps? Kaidou? BM? Like how is it gonna make sense for Zoro to get a powerup, if there's no motivation/opponent/plot reasons to fight?

- Even Kaidou's not gonna stop even after being defeated, well Luffy can always defeat him again and again and again since again, he's powerful enough to do that

- grim reaper may be just a representation of drug's side effects

- Zoro interfering in a clash between WSCs to decide the PK candidacy betrays Luffy's worth in the shonen narrative in which he should surpass Kaidou in powerlevel on his own decisively. It's like Zoro needs Vista+King+Smoothie+Cracker's help to win against Mihawk


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So trying to be fair, imo there are supporting as well as disproving points that approach the possibility of Zoro getting another powerup, be it just for the powerlevel hype sake, explaining narrative mystery like grim reaper, or many points that people said to be foreshadowing.

What do you think about this?
 
cleanmrpostman

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uyuu said:
Once Luffy surpass a person in powerlevel individually, theres literally no reason he can't match them for multiple rounds.

And if you doubt Luffy's strength, then it's solid reason to doubt Zoro's strength many times more since it's to kill the same opponent you doubt Luffy against.
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Once Luffy moves on from an arc, what are the chances Oda takes time out of the narrative to handle Kaido again and again? Luffy will be busy doing whatever in the future, and Kaido explicitly cannot be contained by any prisons, nor can he be handled by regular means of execution. Whether Luffy could beat him again is irrelevant, just like the question of whether or not Zoro can do enough damage to kill Kaido in one shot (especially if he creates a black blade), you're capping your imagination once it gets to the part where zoro kills kaido. If this were about Luffy making a comeback you'd think it was possible even if conditions were worse than they are for Zoro.

If you need a reason for the powerup, it's to fulfill Zoro's many parallels with Ryuma the Sword God who killed a dragon over the flower capital to save the people of Wano. You'd most likely say that Luffy's PU was to defeat Kaido, well Zoro's is to kill Kaido.
 
uyuu

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cleanmrpostman said:
Once Luffy moves on from an arc, what are the chances Oda takes time out of the narrative to handle Kaido again and again? Luffy will be busy doing whatever in the future, and Kaido explicitly cannot be contained by any prisons, nor can he be handled by regular means of execution. Whether Luffy could beat him again is irrelevant, just like the question of whether or not Zoro can do enough damage to kill Kaido in one shot (especially if he creates a black blade), you're capping your imagination once it gets to the part where zoro kills kaido. If this were about Luffy making a comeback you'd think it was possible even if conditions were worse than they are for Zoro.

If you need a reason for the powerup, it's to fulfill Zoro's many parallels with Ryuma the Sword God who killed a dragon over the flower capital to save the people of Wano. You'd most likely say that Luffy's PU was to defeat Kaido, well Zoro's is to kill Kaido.
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Yea you might be right, i'm not denying the possibility of it happening since grim reaper stuff is suspicious, its nice to read your view about it.
 
RoronoaZorro

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Suppose you own a Scouter and see No-RS Exo Sanji's combat strength as 2000, Enma Zoro as 5000, and Gear 4 CoCting as 10000. Or whatever.

You can make up any number for all three. The safest placement for Enma CoCting Zoro is around halfway between No-RS Exo Sanji and Gear 4 CoCting Luffy. You can put Zoro closer to Sanji, or Luffy, it doesn't actually matter.

Recently Luffy gets much much stronger with Gear 5 and a God fruit. In relative to Luffy's new strength, Zoro will get combat power increase by whatever mean, even if it's as small as 1%.
 
Franosuke

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I think it is more likely than not at this point, but I won't be 100% confident unless we see Zoro actually do something or we see something happening to Zoro in the next few chapters

So far we had:
  • Zoro couldn't move his body due to the drug side effects
  • He saw the grim reaper
  • Next thing we know he's on his stomach KO'd again
  • He fell off the island
  • Franky saved him but he's still dead/unconscious
Weird course of events, especially since WSJ teased the grim reaper a few chapters ago

If there's nothing to come out of this besides fake tension or a 'physical representation' of the drug side effects, then that's honestly garbage. Even with the Nika PU stuff I've been a bit critical of Oda but not entirely upset about the decision, but with THIS, no I'm sorry that would be so fucking dumb imo

I at least expect some Shimotsuki lore if not a black blade or something else entirely
 
RoronoaZorro

RoronoaZorro

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Law-sama said:
You mean another asspull?
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Not an asspull if the PU is black blade Enma.

Tenguyama Hitetsu has described Enma as able to "cut through to the bottom of hell" (paralleling Ame no Habakiri being able to "slice heaven itself. Since Zoro himself is currently pseudo-dead, Enma helping him and becoming black blade is possible.

Basically, the underworld/hell connection of Enma can be linked to Zoro's current situation, then Zoro can get a PU if Enma acknowledge him/become black.
 
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Since we are already going with the whole mythical route and there is no turning back....
Luffy being the "sun god" then perhaps Zoro is the "death god".
Maybe one of Dr. Vegapunk's first experimentation was to force an inanimate object to "eat" a DF which he has already successfully done.
Perhaps down the road Zoro will receive a sword that ate the Shinigami fruit.
This sword replaces the Sandai Kitetsu.

I imagine the sword with a demonic skull for the pommel.
And a pale bony hand with long finger nails as the sword/cross guard.

 
Manos. AsuraZoro

Manos. AsuraZoro

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I am convinced that zoro would do another thing before this arc ends.
I don't know if he will have a power up though.
His power could be more than enough to get the job done, what he needs first is to recover somehow.
Zoro's pu until now is CoC/adv CoC and the green aura that surrounds his swords, which we don't know what exactly gives to Zoro.
Everything points that zoro has something to do with the underworld and maybe we will learn more about it in this arc.
 
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Gorosei Informer

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Since Sanji's Diable got an upgrade, I'd like to think Asura will too for Zoro ofc. He also NEEDS to get a black blade this arc and I'm sure he's gonna get some kind of PU to align him even more with Ushimaru and Ryuuma. Something "Sword God" related specifically too.

I'd love Zoro's chapter to be called Warrior Of Retribution as he avenges many people this arc potentially especially if ZKK does happen too.




:kawak:

The irony is though, Zoro's lines back at Skypeia:






I'm still waiting for the payoff with Zoro and Yasuie, for him to avenge him even though Zoro doesn't believe in doing that. Oh wait, he said he would do it too!:







(Luffy said he was gonna beat Jack though too, sigh)




I really want to see him take on Oden's will and the Scabbards, all the fallen samurai and avenge them too. I'd like to think he still thinks about Kuina ofc and in some way he will avenge her too especially if she was assassinated after all. (It could also have just been a freak accident or even suicide but I feel there is more to her death than that)

The fact that Zoro's full backstory is still unknown, Kaidos full name is unknown too and his past, makes me wonder if he really could be connected to Zoro somehow. Oda hasn't explained why Ushimaru resembles Zoro so much but has denounced that Zoro is his son despite that. There has to be a reason Zoro resembles him so much somehow. Same with Kuina and Tashigi. Maybe even Luffy and Roger.

Zoro is gonna get reborn and get a resurrrection like Luffy just has and come back a changed man somewhat, maybe driven to kill Kaido specifically and this could open up a potential massive conflict between him and Luffy, like what happened at Whisky Peak briefly but WAY more serious, emotional and thus greater importance ofc.

There's no way Zoro isn't getting another major PU imo, especially with this grim reaper stuff and him talking about becoming the king of hell. The black blade has to happen too, at least one this arc.

Some interesting points and parallels here too amyway.

https://www.opfanpage.com/2020/08/05/the-swordsman-who-will-cut-kaido-3/
 
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Ghostly Reflections said:
Since Sanji's Diable got an upgrade, I'd like to think Asura will too for Zoro ofc. He also NEEDS to get a black blade this arc and I'm sure he's gonna get some kind of PU to align him even more with Ushimaru and Ryuuma. Something "Sword God" related specifically too.

I'd love Zoro's chapter to be called Warrior Of Retribution as he avenges many people this arc potentially especially if ZKK does happen too.




:kawak:

The irony is though, Zoro's lines back at Skypeia:






I'm still waiting for the payoff with Zoro and Yasuie, for him to avenge him even though Zoro doesn't believe in doing that. Oh wait, he said he would do it too!:







(Luffy said he was gonna beat Jack though too, sigh)




I really want to see him take on Oden's will and the Scabbards, all the fallen samurai and avenge them too. I'd like to think he still thinks about Kuina ofc and in some way he will avenge her too especially if she was assassinated after all. (It could also have just been a freak accident or even suicide but I feel there is more to her death than that)

The fact that Zoro's full backstory is still unknown, Kaidos full name is unknown too and his past, makes me wonder if he really could be connected to Zoro somehow. Oda hasn't explained why Ushimaru resembles Zoro so much but has denounced that Zoro is his son despite that. There has to be a reason Zoro resembles him so much somehow. Same with Kuina and Tashigi. Maybe even Luffy and Roger.

Zoro is gonna get reborn and get a resurrrection like Luffy just has and come back a changed man somewhat, maybe driven to kill Kaido specifically and this could open up a potential massive conflict between him and Luffy, like what happened at Whisky Peak briefly but WAY more serious, emotional and thus greater importance ofc.

There's no way Zoro isn't getting another major PU imo, especially with this grim reaper stuff and him talking about becoming the king of hell. The black blade has to happen too, at least one this arc.

Some interesting points and parallels here too amyway.

https://www.opfanpage.com/2020/08/05/the-swordsman-who-will-cut-kaido-3/
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Good write up.

So perhaps maybe we should be looking towards ZKO instead?
 
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