Versus Battle Quanrong vs Gyoku Hou Army

#3
Gyoku Hou high diff.

They're extremely well disciplined, very good at defense and they've dealt with multiple superior foes brilliantly in the past at Shukai. They've only improved since. They are well matched here.

If it's the full 81K army of Ryouyou vs 50K Gyoku Hou, I give it to the Quanrong, but with even numbers, I'm leaning towards a Gyoku Hou victory.
 
#4
I think it's a bit too much for Ouhon in these conditions.

The Quanrong are quite broken and Rozo has three general-calibre vassals while Ouhon only has two since old man Banyou is just his deputy, not to mention that someone like Goba could actually fight Bajio to a standstill while Ouhon has no vassal capable of such feats.

In a pure 1v1 I think Ouhon could take down Rozo but it would still be a high/extreme diff type of duel.
 
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#5
Rozo has three general-calibre vassals while Ouhon only has two
Banyou would 100% do a better job at leading an army then Tork who has laughably bad stats and got mid-diffed by Danto on 2:1 number advantage. Nepotism was the only reason this kid was in charge of an army.

Goba could actually fight Bajio to a standstill while Ouhon has no vassal capable of such feats.
On Shukai Plains Akakin stalled Bananji for a while after Akou got incapacitated. He was leading Akou's soldiers, but still it was implied that he was the reason for Bananji's might being in check.
 
#7
Banyou would 100% do a better job at leading an army then Tork who has laughably bad stats and got mid-diffed by Danto on 2:1 number advantage. Nepotism was the only reason this kid was in charge of an army.
No way that Banyou would be on a comparable level of threat to any of the three brothers. Tork was considered a legit threat by both YTW and Danto.


Banyou has never individually be considered as a threat or entity particularly difficult to take out , this is the same guy that almost got killed by one of Gyou' Un's detachment units had Shin not saved his ass last second.

On Shukai Plains Akakin stalled Bananji for a while after Akou got incapacitated. He was leading Akou's soldiers, but still it was implied that he was the reason for Bananji's might being in check.
A respectable feat but no way that Akakin is at the level of someone like Goba, atleast not yet. Especially since he himself mentioned they couldn't contain Bananji for much longer.


Clearly not the same as actually fighting someone like Bajio on equal terms.
 
#8
The strategic and tactical advantage favour Ou Hon in this scenario in ways they didn’t for YTW.

I also think Ou Hon’s men are better suited to working together in complicated schemes.

A Ka Kin might lose to Goba, but he doesn’t have to fight him. With this many men at his command, Ou Hon could isolate and kill multiple high value targets.

Killing Goba would likely force Rozo himself to mobilise.
 
#9
Gyoku Hou got this. By no means an easy battle. You can depend on Banyou and Kanjou is still dope and very capable.

Akakin can even stall the likes of Bananji with his unique means to fight and ofc Ouhon is an absolute unit that'll make quick work of even Goba.
 
#11
No way that Banyou would be on a comparable level of threat to any of the three brothers. Tork was considered a legit threat by both YTW and Danto.


Banyou has never individually be considered as a threat or entity particularly difficult to take out , this is the same guy that almost got killed by one of Gyou' Un's detachment units had Shin not saved his ass last second.
Yotanwa's assessment was clearly wrong seeing how Tork was turned into a joke by Danto. Feats speak louder then words.


A respectable feat but no way that Akakin is at the level of someone like Goba, atleast not yet. Especially since he himself mentioned they couldn't contain Bananji for much longer.


Clearly not the same as actually fighting someone like Bajio on equal terms.
It's kinda the same. Goba was fighting Bajio in his base only for one day. Bajio would probably still obliderate him if he went beast mode.
 
#12
Yotanwa's assessment was clearly wrong seeing how Tork was turned into a joke by Danto.
What part of the assessment was wrong? Tork was one of three generals in charge of a powerful Quanrong army that the YTW army already had difficulty with prior to that page.
Feats speak louder then words.
What feats does Banyou have other than been a supporting pillar/father figure for Ouhon, what makes him on par with an actual general?
It's kinda the same. Goba was fighting Bajio in his base only for one day. Bajio would probably still obliderate him if he went beast mode.
It's not the same. Akakin occasionally clashing with Bananji and launching attacks on his rear to keep him in place doesn't make him on par or even close to Goba.
 
#13
What part of the assessment was wrong?
The part about Tork being a difficult opponent. The reality shown he wasn't.

What feats does Banyou have other than been a supporting pillar/father figure for Ouhon, what makes him on par with an actual general?
Surviving a strike from Rinko and reacting fast enough to shield Ouhon from the hit and save him. The same Rinko who was literally oneshoting generals in Sanyou Arc. On the other hand Tork was oneshoted by Danto while being mocked and called weak.

First and foremost Banyou is someone who served as a close aid to Ou family for a long time and was entrusted with military education of it's hair. You really think Ousen would give such a responsiblility to some rando who is not even on the level of a regular general? And now he is an adjutant of one of strongest armies in Qin. Sure, his performance so far was mostly suport, but that doesn't mean he's incapable of other things. It's difficult to imagine someone like that being incapable of leading an army on his own.

It's not the same. Akakin occasionally clashing with Bananji and launching attacks on his rear to keep him in place doesn't make him on par or even close to Goba.
The method doesn't matter, the fact is, Akakin can stall an opponent of this caliber thus he can also stall Goba who is inferior to Bananji.
 
#14
First and foremost Banyou is someone who served as a close aid to Ou family for a long time and was entrusted with military education of it's hair. Y
None of Banyou’s feats make him on par with a general. Being an aid to the Ou family or having raised Ouhon doesn’t equate to that in this context. Banyou is of course also not the only one who taught or contributed to Ouhon’s abilities.



You really think Ousen would give such a responsiblility to some rando who is not even on the level of a regular general?
Not necessarily, the same applies to Kozen who was also never a general.

The method doesn't matter, the fact is, Akakin can stall an opponent of this caliber thus he can also stall Goba who is inferior to Bananji.
No since these two feats aren't the same.

My point is that the conditions of this battle are just not favorable enough for Ouhon.

From his pov there’s at least two or three entities he has to worry about, even if we exclude Tork (Rozo, Goba and Bunen) while vice versa the Quanrong only have to worry about one entity which is Ouhon.

Akakin and Kanjou as commanders are definitely handleable for the Quanrong, even in relative numbers. Bunen took out Katari, someone who I would rank higher than either Akakin or Kanjou and we’ve already gone on about Goba.

Combine that with the fact that neither Akakin or Kanjou has had much experience with leading large scale armies since they were recently promoted.

This is the argument I’m making, not that Ouhon is incapable of defeating any of the Quanrong commanders individually but that it’s too challenging for him to do so in these conditions due to limited resources, i.e. the lack of vassals capable enough to withstand the already hardened Quanrong generals.
 
#15
Ouhon is a stronger commander and tactically superior but again we come back to the mountain men being built different. Equal numbers always favours them as they are much stronger than your average soldier.
quanrong extreme diff.
 
#17
Coming back to this, I don't know if this would actually be all that challenging for Ou Hon.

If Heki managed this feat with men that were starving and on average much weaker than the Gyoku Hou's elites to begin with:












I think on a level playing field, the Gyoku Hou crushes the Quanrong 10 times of 10.

Ou Hon is levels above Heki, and the Gyoku Hou has always been good at defense. Their best showing was their resilience as a 5K unit at Shukai against multiple elite armies with high level tactics, and they were starving even worse.

I think Ou Hon can work out a way with his generals to isolate and slay the enemy commanders one by one. A Ka Kin would certainly be capable of killing the youngest brother and keeping the others distracted.
 
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