Rank Your Controversial Takes From the Least Controversial to the Most Controversial

[Cinera]

We all have our takes and headcanons that are at least a deviation from the median opinion, merely not so widely accepted by the fandom, or even firmly outside the Overton window. It'll be fun to list them out, hear what others think about it and maybe even laugh over them together.

My headcanon is unparalleled, so to start with, I'll list mine out first:

Cinera's Controversial Takes​

I grouped mine according to characters/groups. Each character/group is ranked from least insane to most insane. I don't fully endorse some of the more insane takes (there are some I think are probably wrong).

• Corps Commanders
  1. They are not Top 100 High Rankers.
  2. The Top 3 Branch Leaders of the Lo Po Bia Family are stronger than them.
  3. Jinsung is stronger than Kallavan.
• Lyborick
  1. His "water vapour" is a Khun shinsu quality.
  2. He feels inferiority towards (some) natural-born Lightning Spear Bearer(s).
  3. His fighting style is just a discount Maschenny Zahard.
• Ran
  1. He was trained by Maschenny Zahard.
  2. He is the most talented non-Princess Regular of the Khun Family.
     • Excluding AA power up shenanigans.
  3. His potential is higher than Lyborick.
  4. He has the potential to become a Top 100 High Ranker.
  5. He has the potential to become a Top 50 High Ranker.
• The "Maschenny" Branch and Bloodline
  1. Only Maschennies can use Redan.
  2. The Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique is on a pedestal above other Lightning Spear techniques.
  3. The Maschennies are the most powerful branch of the Khun Family.
  4. The Maschenny bloodline is the most powerful Khun bloodline.
  5. Khun Maschenny is a daughter of Eduan.
  6. The Maschenny bloodline is the most powerful bloodline among the 10 Families.
• Khuns
  1. Lyborick is not a Top 10 Khun.
  2. Elliot is not a Top 10 Khun.
  3. The median Faction Leader of the Khun Family is stronger than Lyborick.
  4. The median "Spear Master" is stronger than Lyborick.
  5. The Khuns are not actually spear bearers, their innate genetic talent is for shinsu quality manifestation.
• Eduan
  1. His theme is weather manipulation.
  2. He is the strongest Family Head.
  3. He is stronger than Urek Mazino.
• Asensio
  1. Asensio is "Marco Asensio" from the Hidden Floor.
  2. Asensio is stronger than Dokoko.
  3. Asensio is a Top 200 High Ranker.
  4. Asensio is a Top 20 Khun.
  5. Asensio is at least on par with the Corps Commanders.
  6. Asensio is stronger than Lyborick.
  7. Asensio is stronger than Elliot.
  8. Asensio is Top 10 in the Khun Family.
  9. Asensio is stronger than Prime White.
  10. Asensio is stronger than the Top 3 Lo Po Bia Branch Leaders.
      • Individually of course
  11. Asensio's potential is Top 5 in the Khun Family.
  12. Asensio is a Top 100 High Ranker.
  13. Asensio is Top 5 in the Khun Family.
  14. Asensio's potential is Top 3 in the Khun Family.
  15. Asensio's potential is Top 50 in general.
• Princesses
  1. Season 1 and 2 Yuri was the weakest Princess.
  2. The median Princess is stronger than Corps Commanders.
  3. Garam Zahard is significantly stronger than Corps Commanders.
  4. Great Family Princesses have the potential to become Top 50 High Rankers.
  5. The Princesses (as a group) are much stronger than any Great Family (without the Family Leader).
  6. Great Family Princesses have the highest potential in their Families.
  7. Enne was defeated by a team of Princesses without Zahard's interference.
  8. Great Family Princesses have the potential to become one of the 20 strongest non Irregulars.
  9. Great Family Princesses could defeat Rankers as Regulars.
• Maschenny Zahard
  1. Maschenny is the commander of the Nest Operation.
  2. Maschenny is much stronger than Yuri Zahard.
  3. Maschenny is a Top 100 High Ranker.
  4. Maschenny is Top 5 within the Khun Family.
  5. Maschenny is stronger than Lyborick.
  6. Maschenny is stronger than Khun Royale Elliot.
  7. Maschenny never seriously exerted herself in combat during Season 2.
  8. Maschenny is stronger than Garam Zahard.
  9. Maschenny is one of the Top 4 13 Month Princesses.
  10. Maschenny is the mastermind behind the Nest.
  11. Maschenny is Eduan's favourite child.
  12. Maschenny's potential is the greatest in the Khun Family.
  13. Maschenny is much stronger than Corps Commanders.
  14. Maschenny is Top 3 within the Khun Family.
  15. Maschenny is peerless among Lightning Spear Bearers.
  16. Maschenny is a Top 50 High Ranker.
  17. Maschenny is stronger than Hagipherione.
  18. Maschenny could defeat Rankers as a Regular.
  19. Maschenny is Top 1 in the Khun Family.
  20. Maschenny is the strongest non Irregular Spear Bearer.
  21. Maschenny has the potential to become one of the Top 10 non Irregulars.
  22. Maschenny already is one of the Top 10 non Irregulars.
  23. Maschenny can stall Traumerei.

Some Notes

• Unless said otherwise, "Princess" strictly refers to the Ranker Princesses.
• "Top X in the Khun Family" naturally excludes Eduan.
  • It does include everyone else that bears the "Khun" name and Khun Princesses.
• All comments on Spear Bearers or spear techniques also exclude Eduan.
• "Corps Commanders" refers to the Corps Commanders that have been introduced so far (Lyborick, Kallavan, Yasratcha).
• "Top X High Ranker" strictly refers to the X strongest High Rankers.

Conclusions
I evaluated my takes relative to the broader ToG anglosphere. So some of the takes that may seem tame and sane here, end up making it here anyway because I've seen pushback to them elsewhere, or a contrary opinion is more widely accepted.

I also included some takes that while they are not as controversial now were more controversial before.

Do please rate them. I'm also curious as to what number do you begin to disagree for each of the headcanons?

Also, let me know of any of my takes that you think should make this list but were absent.

 

[Worst]

Agree with most of these maybe not with

• Eduan
  • He is the strongest Family Head.
  • He is stronger than Urek Mazino.
• Khuns
  1. Lyborick is not a Top 10 Khun.

(LOL)

1. Maschenny can stall Traumerei.

 

[Cinera]

Agree with most of these maybe not with

• Eduan
  • He is the strongest Family Head.
  • He is stronger than Urek Mazino.
• Khuns
  1. Lyborick is not a Top 10 Khun.

(LOL)

1. Maschenny can stall Traumerei.

Fair enough on the Eduan headcanons. I don't endorse them myself. Maybe I should add some tamer ones.

The last Maschenny headcanon is my most insane take, so this isn't a surprise of any sort.

 

[Worst]

The last Maschenny headcanon is my most insane take, so this isn't a surprise of any sort.

Do you have a good reason though ?

I mean you could stretch it if Traumerai is the weakest FH and you push a lot on Maschenny's potential but yea it's insane xD

 

[Lhulu]

I agree with most of them like Enryu, except these:

• Eduan
  • He is the strongest Family Head.
  • He is stronger than Urek Mazino.

However, I agree Lyborick isn't a top 10 Khun. Well, that family is probably the biggest one so I don't see many problems to assume they have more 15 or more rankers in top 100.

About Maschenny, I guess it's safe to assume she's the strongest in the Nest. But we need to see more from her to finally define her place.

 

[MonsterKaido]

--I don't pay too much attention while reading TOG ; I only read because of Baam greatness and his showings

--So

 

[Worst]

--I don't pay too much attention while reading TOG ; I only read because of Baam greatness and his showings

--So

Everyone enjoys it in his own way

 

[Cinera]

Do you have a good reason though ?

I mean you could stretch it if Traumerai is the weakest FH and you push a lot on Maschenny's potential but yea it's insane xD

Nope. I do think Traumerei is the weakest FH, but Maschenny already admitted that the FHs are people not even she can stop if she wanted to:

I just want to see Maschenny fight this arc, and now that a fight with Baam isn't happening, Rei is the only attractive option.


If the fight happens, I could imagine Rei not going all out. Perhaps he decides to see what Eduan's favoured daughter is capable of.

Maschenny stalled Data Zahard for several minutes despite being a neg diff opponent for him.


I also want to see how Maschenny compares to the Family Heads now.

 

[Worst]

Nope. I do think Traumerei is the weakest FH, but Maschenny already admitted that the FHs are people not even she can stop if she wanted to:

I just want to see Maschenny fight this arc, and now that a fight with Baam isn't happening, Rei is the only attractive option.

If the fight happens, I could imagine Rei not going all out. Perhaps he decides to see what Eduan's favoured daughter is capable of.

Maschenny stalled Data Zahard for several minutes despite being a neg diff opponent for him.

I also want to see how Maschenny compares to the Family Heads now.

Meh i guess it all depends if Rei is in the mood or not, she stalled Zahard bc he wanted to be stalled xD

Also the 8th ranker is unknown...could be traume

 

[Cinera]

Also the 8th ranker is unknown...could be traume

No, there are two #7s (Adori and Enne), that's why there's no #8.

she stalled Zahard bc he wanted to be stalled xD

I think that the gap has reduced now.

The main reason is the Ranker contract.

Regulars are very restricted in shinsu manipulation before they make the Ranker contract. After the contract, most of their restrictions are removed.


The Irregulars are not artificially limited before they become Rankers in this way. So the Ranker contract shouldn't actually make them any stronger. While for Regulars, it's a massive boost.

 

[Worst]

No, there are two #7s (Adori and Enne), that's why there's no #8.

Was that confirmed somewhere ? I thought it was because Enne was sealed and Adori took her place....

 

[Cinera]

Was that confirmed somewhere ? I thought it was because Enne was sealed and Adori took her place....

No, both Enne and Adori are Ranked at #7. SIU gave us all the Top 15 High Rankers in one blog post, and there were two entries for #7.

We all have our takes and headcanons that are at least a deviation from the median opinion, merely not so widely accepted by the fandom, or even firmly outside the Overton window. It'll be fun to list them out, hear what others think about it and maybe even laugh over them together.

My headcanon is unparalleled, so to start with, I'll list mine out first:

Cinera's Controversial Takes​

I grouped mine according to characters/groups. Each character/group is ranked from least insane to most insane. I don't fully endorse some of the more insane takes (there are some I think are probably wrong).

• Corps Commanders
  1. They are not Top 100 High Rankers.
  2. The Top 3 Branch Leaders of the Lo Po Bia Family are stronger than them.
  3. Jinsung is stronger than Kallavan.
• Lyborick
  1. His "water vapour" is a Khun shinsu quality.
  2. He feels inferiority towards (some) natural-born Lightning Spear Bearer(s).
  3. His fighting style is just a discount Maschenny Zahard.
• Ran
  1. He was trained by Maschenny Zahard.
  2. He is the most talented non-Princess Regular of the Khun Family.
     • Excluding AA power up shenanigans.
  3. His potential is higher than Lyborick.
  4. He has the potential to become a Top 100 High Ranker.
  5. He has the potential to become a Top 50 High Ranker.
• The "Maschenny" Branch and Bloodline
  1. Only Maschennies can use Redan.
  2. The Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique is on a pedestal above other Lightning Spear techniques.
  3. The Maschennies are the most powerful branch of the Khun Family.
  4. The Maschenny bloodline is the most powerful Khun bloodline.
  5. Khun Maschenny is a daughter of Eduan.
  6. The Maschenny bloodline is the most powerful bloodline among the 10 Families.
• Khuns
  1. Lyborick is not a Top 10 Khun.
  2. Elliot is not a Top 10 Khun.
  3. The median Faction Leader of the Khun Family is stronger than Lyborick.
  4. The median "Spear Master" is stronger than Lyborick.
  5. The Khuns are not actually spear bearers, their innate genetic talent is for shinsu quality manifestation.
• Eduan
  1. His theme is weather manipulation.
  2. He is the strongest Family Head.
  3. He is stronger than Urek Mazino.
• Asensio
  1. Asensio is "Marco Asensio" from the Hidden Floor.
  2. Asensio is stronger than Dokoko.
  3. Asensio is a Top 200 High Ranker.
  4. Asensio is a Top 20 Khun.
  5. Asensio is at least on par with the Corps Commanders.
  6. Asensio is stronger than Lyborick.
  7. Asensio is stronger than Elliot.
  8. Asensio is Top 10 in the Khun Family.
  9. Asensio is stronger than Prime White.
  10. Asensio is stronger than the Top 3 Lo Po Bia Branch Leaders.
      • Individually of course
  11. Asensio's potential is Top 5 in the Khun Family.
  12. Asensio is a Top 100 High Ranker.
  13. Asensio is Top 5 in the Khun Family.
  14. Asensio's potential is Top 3 in the Khun Family.
  15. Asensio's potential is Top 50 in general.
• Princesses
  1. Season 1 and 2 Yuri was the weakest Princess.
  2. The median Princess is stronger than Corps Commanders.
  3. Garam Zahard is significantly stronger than Corps Commanders.
  4. Great Family Princesses have the potential to become Top 50 High Rankers.
  5. The Princesses (as a group) are much stronger than any Great Family (without the Family Leader).
  6. Great Family Princesses have the highest potential in their Families.
  7. Enne was defeated by a team of Princesses without Zahard's interference.
  8. Great Family Princesses have the potential to become one of the 20 strongest non Irregulars.
  9. Great Family Princesses could defeat Rankers as Regulars.
• Maschenny Zahard
  1. Maschenny is the commander of the Nest Operation.
  2. Maschenny is much stronger than Yuri Zahard.
  3. Maschenny is a Top 100 High Ranker.
  4. Maschenny is Top 5 within the Khun Family.
  5. Maschenny is stronger than Lyborick.
  6. Maschenny is stronger than Khun Royale Elliot.
  7. Maschenny never seriously exerted herself in combat during Season 2.
  8. Maschenny is stronger than Garam Zahard.
  9. Maschenny is one of the Top 4 13 Month Princesses.
  10. Maschenny is the mastermind behind the Nest.
  11. Maschenny is Eduan's favourite child.
  12. Maschenny's potential is the greatest in the Khun Family.
  13. Maschenny is much stronger than Corps Commanders.
  14. Maschenny is Top 3 within the Khun Family.
  15. Maschenny is peerless among Lightning Spear Bearers.
  16. Maschenny is a Top 50 High Ranker.
  17. Maschenny is stronger than Hagipherione.
  18. Maschenny could defeat Rankers as a Regular.
  19. Maschenny is Top 1 in the Khun Family.
  20. Maschenny is the strongest non Irregular Spear Bearer.
  21. Maschenny has the potential to become one of the Top 10 non Irregulars.
  22. Maschenny already is one of the Top 10 non Irregulars.
  23. Maschenny can stall Traumerei.

Some Notes

• Unless said otherwise, "Princess" strictly refers to the Ranker Princesses.
• "Top X in the Khun Family" naturally excludes Eduan.
  • It does include everyone else that bears the "Khun" name and Khun Princesses.
• All comments on Spear Bearers or spear techniques also exclude Eduan.
• "Corps Commanders" refers to the Corps Commanders that have been introduced so far (Lyborick, Kallavan, Yasratcha).
• "Top X High Ranker" strictly refers to the X strongest High Rankers.

Conclusions
I evaluated my takes relative to the broader ToG anglosphere. So some of the takes that may seem tame and sane here, end up making it here anyway because I've seen pushback to them elsewhere, or a contrary opinion is more widely accepted.

I also included some takes that while they are not as controversial now were more controversial before.

Do please rate them. I'm also curious as to what number do you begin to disagree for each of the headcanons?

Also, let me know of any of my takes that you think should make this list but were absent.

So I listed 72 headcanons.

Of those 72:

• I think 34 are probably true (a little under half).
• I am ambivalent on 17 of them (a little under a quarter).
• I think 21 are probably false (a little under a third)

You could say I endorse nearly half of those headcanons, and think around two-thirds of them are deserving of consideration.

I will not be sharing the headcanons I think are "probably false", lest people wring my neck over it when I argue in favour of them. You can have fun guessing at them though.

 

[Worst]

No, both Enne and Adori are Ranked at #7. SIU gave us all the Top 15 High Rankers in one blog post, and there were two entries for #7.




So I listed 72 headcanons.

Of those 72:

• I think 34 are probably true (a little under half).
• I am ambivalent on 17 of them (a little under a quarter).
• I think 21 are probably false (a little under a third)

You could say I endorse nearly half of those headcanons, and think around two-thirds of them are deserving of consideration.

I will not be sharing the headcanons I think are "probably false", lest people wring my neck over it when I argue in favour of them. You can have fun guessing at them though.

They're not so insane except a couple i can see a half of them beign legit and some of the others close to the truth


But still it's hard to believe the most loyal to Zahard is not even top 15.....

 

[Cinera]

But still it's hard to believe the most loyal to Zahard is not even top 15.....

It's exactly because he's the weakest that he's getting defeated first.

 

[Worst]

It's exactly because he's the weakest that he's getting defeated first.

U think he's getting defeated here ?

Maybe thanks to the voice Baam heard ?

Btw what do you think it is ?

 

[Cinera]

U think he's getting defeated here ?

I think it's within the realm of plausibility.

Maybe thanks to the voice Baam heard ?

I expect it to be a massive power-up for Baam and I expect Baam to be key to Rei's defeat (if it happens).

Btw what do you think it is ?

Some OP Shinheuh or mythical beast I'm guessing.

 

[Worst]

I think it's within the realm of plausibility.
I expect it to be a massive power-up for Baam and I expect Baam to be key to Rei's defeat (if it happens).

I still think it's insane for them to beat a FH without another top dog joining in, but i'm can't

Some OP Shinheuh or mythical beast I'm guessing.

I was thinking it was Colorless decenmber for some reason cuz he said " you are qualified " and why would a Shinheuh say this to someone ?

 

[Cinera]

I still think it's insane for them to beat a FH without another top dog joining in, but i'm can't

I don't expect (or want) Baam to fight Rei alone. I just think that he'll be the key to victory.

I was thinking it was Colorless decenmber for some reason cuz he said " you are qualified " and why would a Shinheuh say this to someone ?

I don't think any 13 Month would have a grudge against the Lo Po Bia in particular.

 

[Shadowlord123]

10% Shinsu Urek doesn't have a low chance to be stronger than the likes of Adori, Enne, Baek or Luslec.

Happy New Year to everyone btw :cheers:

 

[Worst]

10% Shinsu Urek doesn't have a low chance to be stronger than the likes of Adori, Enne, Baek or Luslec.

Happy New Year to everyone btw :cheers:

that would be insane lol