Versus Battle Renpa and H4 vs 3 Fire Dragons

#2
Renpa takes this, Kaishibou is said to be on Renpa's level in terms of destructive power and there's Rinko and Kyou En, so there's 4 heavy-hitters, Rei ou could be taken care of by Genpo. If Ranbihaku was included (and someone who could oversee things like Gohoumei) it would be more of an even match.
 
#3
Renpa army
Genpou is a cream of the crop strategist capable of leading Zhao’s entire military operations
Kaishibou is worst case scenario Gyou’Un level
Rinko destroys any army’s chain of command by assassinating a couple dozen officers, and can break through any defensive formation
Kyou En is GG level and gave even Renpa some trouble

These four alone have a shot at beating the Wei dragons
Now add in Renpa 😂😂😂
 
#5
Lol man, I have no idea about the characters. I speed read Kingdom a few months ago and hence the different characters with similar names confuse me too much.
 
#6
Zhao wins. Renpa plus 4 commanders are as good as the Heavenly Kings - Genpou and Kyouen in particular are extreme - is a combination that the Wei cannot overcome.

Reiou would be the noticeable problem since he's tactically very hyped but Renpa is superior overall. Genpou can be put against whoever, he himself is so strong of a strategist that he was suitable to lead Zhao's military, I'd be way more worried for his opponent. Kyouen is an ex Head of a state who faced even Renpa himself in the past and burned his head numerous times, as well having fierce clashes against Qin Six Kyou and Hakuki, who are above all Fire Dragons here. As for Kaishibou and Rinko, they are experienced commanders with their own great qualities which can be carefully exploited by Renpa's and Genpou's schemes.

Earl Shi is a strong commander but not to some huge/terrifying level, he got dealt with by Ouhon in Wei Fire arc. Gaimou is a meathead lol. He has big individual martial might but really nothing else going for him - though Reiou could make good use of him in this scenario.

This Wei army is impressive but it doesn't have what it takes. Zhao armies like Renpa's and Rinshoujo's are heavily stacked with super powerful subordinates and of course, Hara just treats the old Heavens way differently than the old Fire Dragons (save for Gokei, who ain't here).
 
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#8
This is a great match up, but I think WFD got this on account of Rei Ou just having too much opportunity to play with if Gai Mou just keeps Ren Pa busy, which he undoubtedly could. Earl Shi is an absolutely devastating#2 offense to have to deal with it.

Ren Pa could probably still this out defensively, but in an offense-must-win war, I think WFD have the edge.
 
#10
lol it seems everyone is Team Renpa here

what is needed for FD to win this ? Ranbihaku and Gaimou strategist ? Or even more ?
This is by no means a stomp but it's just that Reiou is feat-less on panel while we know how Renpa incorporates himself into the battle. He's OP.

Genpou himself is a mind that's equal to Reiou and Renpa is a genius himself.

I see Kaishibou, Rinko and Kyou'En vs Gaimou, Ranbihaku(definitely needs to be added) and Earl Shi as equals. Hell I would favour the fire dragons.

Either remove Genpou or give Wei a number advantage.

I genuinely have a hard time seeing Renpa ever slain in a non 1v1 scenario meaning I don't see Reiou capable to lead him into a trap dangerous enough to lose his life.

The only way I can see Renpa lose is by taking out his commanders like in canon after which he has to admit defeat.

I can't wait to see Prime Gohoumei tbh.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#11
I see Kaishibou, Rinko and Kyou'En vs Gaimou, Ranbihaku(definitely needs to be added) and Earl Shi as equals. Hell I would favour the fire dragons.
I have the FD above the H4
Gaimou and Earl Shi martial might > Kaishibou no question for me (and other H4)

Rei ou > Genpou smart wise

FD hype isn’t low.

H4 vs FD = FD wins decisively

but yeah Renpa himself is a G
 
#12
I have the FD above the H4
Gaimou and Earl Shi martial might > Kaishibou no question for me (and other H4)

Rei ou > Genpou smart wise

FD hype isn’t low.

H4 vs FD = FD wins decisively

but yeah Renpa himself is a G
Even though I think some people overhyped Gaimou for now it's not unreasonable to say they're superior to the 4HK's

- Kaishibou has one decent statement of hype but barely any feats.
- Rinko's rindou is a big problem but he himself has not more combat hype than Ranbihaku even.
- Earl Shi and Gaimou are monsters.

This depends on Reiou only tbh because Zhao has both Renpa and Genpou. One leads the army on the back while the other damn near fights like an instinctual General Duke style.
 
#13
@RayanOO

I think Renpa team takes this but only because this is basically a 5v3 scenario, and you removed Rei Ou's most powerful subordinate while Renpa has everybody in his army involved. This is dangerous because the Fire Dragons are implied to not get along very well while the Heavenly Kings should have complete synergy with one another.

Put Ranbihaku in the mix and I could see this very well being an extreme diff win for the Fire Dragons.

I think the Fire Dragons are likely a tad better than a lot of Kingdom fans give them credit for. Yes, they lack the proper feats and none of them are proven to be outright better than any high-tier general from another state, but the potrayel speaks for itself. They were said to fight ''raging battles'' against the Six Great Generals and Three Great Heavens, not the Heavenly Kings lol. And it's never implied they were doing badly by any stretch.
 
#14
Removing RanBiHaku is surely a fatal blow on Wei's side but still it's going to be extreme difficulty win for Zhao on paper.

But reality is a bit different coz we got to know from Tou that ReiOu with RanBiHaku (and Gaimou though not fully cleared if he was present coz in single war in manga we got two FBs , one for ReiOu while one for Gaimo and both had Ouki as there opponent) was able to put a draw against Ouki who at that moment had Tou in his unit as well along with all other major generals in Ouki army.

Now it's 3 fire dragons vs 1 GH so i do think it could even goes otherwise as well. We can't underestimate titled GG just coz we don't know named generals under there wings. Lol
 
#15
@MarineHQ @FutureWarrior123 For the Fire Dragons ratings, honestly if we're looking at someone like Gokei I've nothing to say. Deadly tactician, greatly hyped by Ouki, Duke Hyou (who is the literal peak of insticts) won against him because of a few external factors, instead of otherwise getting wiped out. And Gokei actually destroyed most of his army, so even after his death the Duke failed in accomplish its original goal.
Gokei? Gokei could easily go against the old Qin Six/Zhao's Three. I would give him 50/50 against Renpa.

Reiou, he was hyped to a quite significant degree. It's a pity that we didn't see anything from him on panel but yeah, he was a powerful Great General.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#16
lol it seems everyone is Team Renpa here

what is needed for FD to win this ? Ranbihaku and Gaimou strategist ? Or even more ?
Give the Fire Dragons Ranbihaku and I would say they win.

Rei Ou probably gives the Fire Dragons the slight strategic advantage, Rei Ou INT (97) vs Renpa/Genpou INT (96) -> Rei Ou deserves the slight benefit. Usual disclaimer of stats being bullshit unless we really have nothing to go on.

The martial advantage probably goes to the Fire Dragons. Many will disagree with me but Gaimou’s blows were already directly compared to Renpa’s, and unlike Renpa Gaimou became a Great General purely by virtue of his prowess as a warrior and nothing else. But since I don’t feel like justifying Gaimou = Renpa as a warrior,

Shi Ei > Kaishibou and Rinko straight up. I doubt either of them are capable of defeating Shi Ei just gauging from the way Ouhon had Bananji completely on the back foot and Shi Ei’s spear was still probably above Ouhon’s at Shukai.

So even if I say Renpa > Gaimou and Shi Ei > Kaishibou and Rinko, Ranbihaku would turn the tides and give the Fire Dragons the win. Imo.

The only wild card is Kyou En so could turn the tide of any battle with that archery. Tough to say how exactly he would affect the battlefield.
 
#17
Team Renpa, come on now.

Genpou vs Reiou
Rinko vs Earl Shi
Kyouen + KSB vs Gaimou

This would be a closer match tbh, but when you add Renpa roaming the battlefield, he can turn the tide for any of those fights instantly. Eventually the FDs would simply be overwhelmed.
 
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