Versus Battle Ryokugyu Vs Ulfric Stormcloak: Battle of Extremists

Who wins?

  • R1-Ryokugyu

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • R1-Ulfric

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • R2-Ryokugyu

    Votes: 5 62.5%
  • R2-Ulfric

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Total voters
    8
#2
Round 1: Which character is more extreme/less redeemable?
Aramaki is definitely worse
Ulfric was fighting a foreign invasion, as the MC you slowly but surely discover the corrupt narcissistic racist side of the empire so both sides are equally held responsible, so overall no side is worse than the other.
Aramaki is devoid of ideals in general but his actions are what matter at the end of the day, he kills people without cause.

Round 2: Which character would win a 1v1 fight?
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#3
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Round 1: Which character is more extreme/less redeemable?
Aramaki is definitely worse
Ulfric was fighting a foreign invasion, as the MC you slowly but surely discover the corrupt narcissistic racist side of the empire so both sides are equally held responsible, so overall no side is worse than the other.
Aramaki is devoid of ideals in general but his actions are what matter at the end of the day, he kills people without cause.

Round 2: Which character would win a 1v1 fight?
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Ulfric was extreme man. He murdered Torig who was almost literally a child even knowing that Torig would’ve probably supported Ulfric had Ulfric asked lol.
 
#4
Ulfric was extreme man. He murdered Torig who was almost literally a child even knowing that Torig would’ve probably supported Ulfric had Ulfric asked lol.
Torig was still old enough to marry and start a family, in a time like that it's different.
I don't think Torig has that kind of power, he still answers to the Emperor, and you expect General Tulius to play him like a fiddle.
The empire wasn't wise in bringing Skyrim to join the rest of the continent, they should know better than to ban the worship of Talos in the face of a proud race like the nords. From their perspective Talos means everything to them, you see that almost with every random interaction with any Nordic NPC. This is their right of worship, and Talos was a mighty foe to the Thalmor that's why they're trying their hardest to silence his voice. The Empire needs Skyrim to fight off the Thalmor but there were better ways to handle it probably.

So if I was a Nord with strong roots, then comes this foreign invader trying to forcefully delete my identity I wouldn't sit back and let them have their way. His methods were brutal, but the Nordish don't even know the Empire is after the Thalmor as they were obeying their orders the entire storyline. Tulius' handled it in a very oppressing way, eventually Ulfric blew up.
But ofcourse they still bred a maniac who antagonized other races as a consequence, no one can say otherwise. But overall he had the right to fight for his land and identity, his control over Windhelm itself was tyrannic.
 
#7
Ulfric is a dumbass. Good luck fighting the dominion alone bitch.

OT, we don't know whether GB believes the crap he spouted, or if he's simply spewing that shit to impress Aka or celestials. But, if he does believe in it, then he is worse. And even though Ulfric has the Thuum and war experience, GB would ragdoll him like a kid. He has no answer to logia or haki.
If Ulfric was brought into One Piece, then as the Thu'um is a more powerful form of magic then the standard form fueled by magicka, that would translate into strong Haki or as a DF. I would also say he would be a COC user.
 
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#8
Other than jumping the gun with killing the High King, Ulfric is perfectly in the right with everything else in regards to the Thalmor, the Empire being a shell of its former self weighing everything else down to maintain its crumbling power, and making Skyrim independent

Nothing about him being a Tyrant either. He’s one of the few good Jarls in the game and the people of Windhelm willingly put him in the position with his father’s death. Before that, he was perfectly content as a soldier and in his own current position, he only wants to set the same example of a good leader as Ysgramor and his own father were.

Just look at the city Windhelm for proof. It’s almost as racially diverse as Solitude. At first, it looks oppressive to other races besides Nords when you walk right in and see 2 Nords harassing a Dunmer, how most of the Dunmer are living in the Grey Quarter, Argonians having to live outside on the docks, and that one Nord complaining about how Ulfric doesn’t give the same treatment for them as he does Nords.

Except that’s not the case at all. You got several Imperial civilians and even High Elves with a roof over their heads and running a successful business, including a High Elf alchemist, one whose a wealthy merchant, and two stable owners, and even one Dark Elf who doesn’t live in the Grey Quarter and is a farmer with an entire property to himself with a Nord servant no less.

Talk to the High Elf merchant or the Dark Elf farmer and both will point out that the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter are there because they refuse to adapt to their new lives and expecting a handout from a city in the middle of a war. Plus all the Dunmer and Argonian refugees coming in at once puts a strain on the city as it is and it can’t afford to accommodate any more than that unless they work for a living and purchase a home.

The Argonians likewise live outside because they too don’t have the money and A) working near water and profession involving it suits them and B) Ulfric doesn’t want any potential problems happening from an entire former slave race living with their former slavers, the Dunmer so he keeps them separated to maintain peace.

The war is also the same reason Ulfric doesn’t do much else for the city as he’s too busy with it. There is racism within some of the Stormcloaks and it’s supporters, but not its main leaders who are more than accepting of others. A lot of Ulfric’s perceived “racism” comes from people applying modern day values to a medieval Viking setting.



Always go Stormcloak in every campaign. The Empire is obsolete, untrustworthy, and only weighing everything else down with it. Nevermind how cozy and outright chummy some Imperial-aligned characters are with the Thalmor.

Ulfric is a dumbass. Good luck fighting the dominion alone bitch.

OT, we don't know whether GB believes the crap he spouted, or if he's simply spewing that shit to impress Aka or celestials. But, if he does believe in it, then he is worse. And even though Ulfric has the Thuum and war experience, GB would ragdoll him like a kid. He has no answer to logia or haki.
The Dominion in fear of a Stormcloak victory? Let alone with the Dragonborn on their side and backed by a now unified Skyrim they can no longer control through the Empire upon said Stormcloak Victory? Said unified country whose got a history of wiping out entire Elven civilizations in the past?

The Dominion is currently just as damaged from the Great War as the Empire with it ending in a stalemate and forcing a treaty lest both sides face complete annihilation. That’s why their banking so hard on the Civil War in Skyrim, keeping Skyrim in their control and the Empire wasting resources fighting the Nords while they regain back their strength for the inevitable second war. A victory for either side makes all their plans of divide and conquer fall apart

Hammerfell which seceded from the now useless Empire shows how much better independent nations not weighed down by the Empire work at opposing the Thalmor too with how the Redguards singlehandedly took back Hammerfell that the Empire basically gave to the Dominion and drove every Thalmor out of their land.
 
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#11
Round 1: Which character is more extreme/less redeemable?
**Oh, Aramaki by far. And that's taking into effect that Ulfric is basically the High Fantasy version of a white power militia leader.

Round 2: Which character would win a 1v1 fight?
**In One Piece: Ulfric, as his Thu'um could be worked into being a DF, and as a charismatic Jarl, would have Haoushoku Haki.
**In The Elder Scrolls: Aramaki as Ulfric's clothes don't count as armor and Aramaki's DF would be powerful Destruction magic.
 
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#12
**Oh, Aramaki by far. And that's taking into effect that Ulfric is basically the High Fantasy version of a white power militia leader.
I think you got it backwards, the Empire is the white power representative. The Nords are protecting their homeland and the right to practice their religion. Basically Wyper and the Shandians, couldn't think of an accurate depiction from real life.

Just because he's white in verse doesn't mean he represents White power💀
 
#13
I think you got it backwards, the Empire is the white power representative. The Nords are protecting their homeland and the right to practice their religion. Basically Wyper and the Shandians, couldn't think of an accurate depiction from real life.

Just because he's white in verse doesn't mean he represents White power💀
If the other three main races of Men were represented in the Stormcloaks, it wouldn't come off as quite so.....white power-ish. But it's Nords and Nords only, and they hate pretty much everyone that's not them, and boy that sure has not aged well since 2011 now with things like MAGA and the Proud Boys.

Though, there *is* a random encounter of a nameless Imperial wanting to join the Stormcloaks. Nothing ever comes of it, tho.
 
#14
I've gotta say aramaki less redeemable by far

Ulfric made mistakes and was a bit of an idiot because he cared for HIS people.

Aramaki is just a cunt as far as we know (could change but I do doubt)

In a 1vs1 aramaki gets easy dubs tho
 
#15
Round 1: Which character is more extreme/less redeemable?
**Oh, Aramaki by far. And that's taking into effect that Ulfric is basically the High Fantasy version of a white power militia leader.

Round 2: Which character would win a 1v1 fight?
**In One Piece: Ulfric, as his Thu'um could be worked into being a DF, and as a charismatic Jarl, would have Haoushoku Haki.
**In The Elder Scrolls: Aramaki as Ulfric's clothes don't count as armor and Aramaki's DF would be powerful Destruction magic.
Ulfric is such a “Nord supremist”, you got a Dark Elf with a whole farm and land to his name with a Nord servant in his city that does his bidding and even admitting that Windhelm gave him these opportunities once he adapted to Nord customs since he’s living in their land and worked hard enough, criticizing the other Dark Elves in the Grey Quarter for not doing the same.

You even have a High Elf merchant and alchemist and Imperial citizens in Windhelm, the two races Ulfric distrusts the most, living comfortable lives within his city and the High Elf Merchant repeating what the Dark Elf farmer says about the ones in the Grey Quarter only having themselves to blame for being there because of their inability to adapt.



And that’s not even mentioning how Ulfric roots for you to pass your Stormcloak initiation test and let’s you join his cause no questions asked regardless of your race when even Galmar is suspicious of your motives for joining at first
 
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#17
“Extremism” and whatever-supremacy these days is just wanting to preserve the culture and customs of one’s homeland it seems

And no shit the Stormcloaks are primarily made up of Nords. Imperials don’t need an explanation for why it’s highly unlikely they’d betray their own Empire. Even Tulius, despite agreeing with some of the things Ulfric says about Empire, still fights out of loyalty to his country. Bretons are basically cousins to the Imperials and mostly indifferent at that

Redguards might be interested in joining the Stormcloaks if just for their own grievances with the Empire but there’s very few in Skyrim anyway and they’re still focused on rebuilding their own home before doing anything else.

The Dragonborn shows that race doesn’t matter to the Stormcloaks. Guys like Galmar will see you as a true son/daughter of Skyrim so long as you prove your love of Skyrim and are willing to fight for it
 
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