Questions & Mysteries Ryuma and Onigashima possible connection? "The Two who missed each others"

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

1st of all we all know how the anime is doing lately specially in the wano arc. Foreshadowing answering details we asked in the manga etc etc. anyways

Just a small detail i noticed in the anime episode 1003 - Black Maria's Poem.

The scene goes here after this line :-
The Skull of Onigashima and Kaido on top:-

Then switches to Ringo

Lastly after she says "Finally see each others under the moonlight... The Excitement!"
Goes to Ringo again where Onimaru stashed all the weapons

Thinking about the Chapter and The Episode ofc i came up with possible connections:-

1- Yamato meeting Momo?
2- Yamato meeting Luffy. But their meeting has already happened?
3- Kaido meeting the scabbards again.
4- Kaido meeting Oden visage. But why not show Kuri or the Flower Capital which symbolizes the Kozuki clan and Oden?
5- Luffy and Kaido?

but the ones that got me to create this thread are these :-
1- Ryuma and Ancient Giants "Onigashima" might have some connection dating back to the creation of Wano.
2- Shimotsuki and Onigashima.
3- And ofc the meeting between Shimotsuki and the Oni's - aka Zoro and Kaido.

I am curios to see why the Anime chose to show Ringo here.

Thoughts?

 

[Salah WG]

Full Moon cast your Light on Nine Shadows & save Wano

Zoro's Asura
Ryuma's Connection
Black Blades
Slayed Dragon
Full Moon

Do the math
ZKK incoming

 

[Obsidian]

1st of all we all know how the anime is doing lately specially in the wano arc. Foreshadowing answering details we asked in the manga etc etc. anyways

Just a small detail i noticed in the anime episode 1003 - Black Maria's Poem.

The scene goes here after this line :-
The Skull of Onigashima and Kaido on top:-

Then switches to Ringo

Lastly after she says "Finally see each others under the moonlight... The Excitement!"
Goes to Ringo again where Onimaru stashed all the weapons

Thinking about the Chapter and The Episode ofc i came up with possible connections:-

1- Yamato meeting Momo?
2- Yamato meeting Luffy. But their meeting has already happened?
3- Kaido meeting the scabbards again.
4- Kaido meeting Oden visage. But why not show Kuri or the Flower Capital which symbolizes the Kozuki clan and Oden?
5- Luffy and Kaido?

but the ones that got me to create this thread are these :-
1- Ryuma and Ancient Giants "Onigashima" might have some connection dating back to the creation of Wano.
2- Shimotsuki and Onigashima.
3- And ofc the meeting between Shimotsuki and the Oni's - aka Zoro and Kaido.

I am curios to see why the Anime chose to show Ringo here.

Thoughts?

I think the song is about Momonuske and his sister Hiyori..
Remember they both refused to see each other until the war is over..

Momo is in onigashima and Hiyori in ringo (what kawamatsu told the alliance)..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Full Moon cast your Light on Nine Shadows & save Wano

Zoro's Asura
Ryuma's Connection
Black Blades
Slayed Dragon
Full Moon

Do the math
ZKK incoming

Sure we can say ZKK but. I am trying to see what could be the connection between all of these. Whats the history. Remember what was said about Oars that he created a country that country could be wano. where does Ryuma or Ringo fit in here?

I think the song is about Momonuske and his sister Hiyori..
Remember they both refused to see each other until the war is over..

Momo is in onigashima and Hiyori in ringo (what kawamatsu told the alliance)..

If the battle finishes it will be on sunrise. So the song won't be about them.

 

[Salah WG]

Sure we can say ZKK but. I am trying to see what could be the connection between all of these. Whats the history. Remember what was said about Oars that he created a country that country could be wano. where does Ryuma or Ringo fit in here?

In my opinion, the reason that Wano is Land of Gold, but there is No Gold
Instead it's in Shandia (Which is also a Skull)

Is because Oars simply made a Mistake, so instead of connecting Jaya to Rest of Wano, He brought Onigashima
(He was told to bring Skull Island, that's why he confused the Two Islands)

And that's why everyone sought to take Gold from Wano, thinking it's there, but they simply were mislead by False Information
And who defended Wano in such harsh times? It was Ryuma ofc

This is just a Small Idea, there is a bigger Story at play here, but i will talk about it another time

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

In my opinion, the reason that Wano is Land of Gold, but there is No Gold
Instead it's in Shandia (Which is also a Skull)

Is because Oars simply made a Mistake, so instead of connecting Jaya to Rest of Wano, He brought Onigashima
(He was told to bring Skull Island, that's why he confused the Two Islands)

And that's why everyone sought to take Gold from Wano, thinking it's there, but they simply were mislead by False Information
And who defended Wano in such harsh times? It was Ryuma ofc

This is just a Small Idea, there is a bigger Story at play here, but i will talk about it another time

Thats a great take. But Wano being a country of gold. Doesn't have to be a literal gold. It could be called the Country of gold for its natural resources. Remember only in wano you can create Sea Prism in a Unique way, Gardens, Famous Smiths etc. And of course having multiple seasons due to the nature of each island connected to each others. As for Ryuma and the Oni's i am curios still.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Ryuma killed onigashima years ago. Now the new Ryuma will make the same

 

[Halyup]

Sure we can say ZKK but. I am trying to see what could be the connection between all of these. Whats the history. Remember what was said about Oars that he created a country that country could be wano. where does Ryuma or Ringo fit in here?


If the battle finishes it will be on sunrise. So the song won't be about them.

The ancient giants(Kaido's Ancestor ) used to rule wano in void century
- remember what Kaido said to Yamato , humans are meant to be ruled by them
The humans are their subjects

It wasnt until Ryuuma slayed the Ancient Giant(The Ancient Giant have the 1st Dragon DF ) that the human rule starts


Wano arc have parallels to Norse Mythology
Frost Giants = Ancient Onis
Odin = Ryuuma

Loki = Kaido

 

[Salah WG]

Thats a great take. But Wano being a country of gold. Doesn't have to be a literal gold. It could be called the Country of gold for its natural resources. Remember only in wano you can create Sea Prism in a Unique way, Gardens, Famous Smiths etc. And of course having multiple seasons due to the nature of each island connected to each others. As for Ryuma and the Oni's i am curios still.

Yes, i agree, but people attacking Wano to take what's inside proves that the Legend meant Gold indeed
Cuz people wouldn't attack Wano if it was just to get their hands on Sea Prism or enjoy the changing Seasons & Gardens ... etc

Wano is Land of Gold without Gold, that's the Story of the Two who didn't meet
Also people always think that "Opening Wano Borders" is about Freeing Wano, but that isn't True
Because this Dream & Wano being closed was an issue long before Kaidou even showed up

Opening Wano Borders = Continue it's Project
Wano is Unfinished, those Regions aren't the only ones, there are more that didn't make it

Wano = Country of Harmony
Meaning it was created as a Kingdom that embraces Unity & allows different people to live together, which sounds like Big Mom's Utopia
Actually if you think about it, why didn't Minks live in Wano if they wanted to isolate themselves & they are Best Friends with Kozuki Family? And Samurai are so strong that no one can set foot inside

The reason is because Wano Project was simply Unfinished (That's what Zunisha is waiting for & that's why it only obeyed Momo who represents the Real Shogun)

Please don't make me continue lol
I will share my Full Analysis about every single mystery in One Piece when i'm ready

 

[Halyup]

Yes, i agree, but people attacking Wano to take what's inside proves that the Legend meant Gold indeed
Cuz people wouldn't attack Wano if it was just to get their hands on Sea Prism or enjoy the changing Seasons & Gardens ... etc

Wano is Land of Gold without Gold, that's the Story of the Two who didn't meet
Also people always think that "Opening Wano Borders" is about Freeing Wano, but that isn't True
Because this Dream & Wano being closed was an issue long before Kaidou even showed up

Opening Wano Borders = Continue it's Project
Wano is Unfinished, those Regions aren't the only ones, there are more that didn't make it

Wano = Country of Harmony
Meaning it was created as a Kingdom that embraces Unity & allows different people to live together, which sounds like Big Mom's Utopia
Actually if you think about it, why didn't Minks live in Wano if they wanted to isolate themselves & they are Best Friends with Kozuki Family? And Samurai are so strong that no one can set foot inside

The reason is because Wano Project was simply Unfinished (That's what Zunisha is waiting for & that's why it only obeyed Momo who represents the Real Shogun)

Please don't make me continue lol
I will share my Full Analysis about every single mystery in One Piece when i'm ready

My theory of Zoro being from void century tied with Wano's History

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I think the song is about Momonuske and his sister Hiyori..
Remember they both refused to see each other until the war is over..

Momo is in onigashima and Hiyori in ringo (what kawamatsu told the alliance)..

Thats too straighforward lol
Oda aint like that

 

[Salah WG]

My theory of Zoro being from void century tied with Wano's History

Everything is tied imo
In my Analysis, i found that Void Century tells the story of every single Character & every single Arc
It's truly one inter-connected story called "One Piece"

As in everything is simply a Single Piece

 

[Halyup]

Everything is tied imo
In my Analysis, i found that Void Century tells the story of every single Character & every single Arc
It's truly one inter-connected story called "One Piece"

As in everything is simply a Single Piece

Remember when toki is searching for wano
And travelling from centuries to centuries
(Its like shes searching for someone , and I dont think its Oden lol )

Toki is searching for Zoro ( she sends him to the future ahead of her 800 yrs ago )

I believe toki realizes when oden came back after reaching laughtale that she is 20 yrs early

Toki and time fruit - we might hear about it in the coming chapters

 

[Salah WG]

Remember when toki is searching for wano
And travelling from centuries to centuries
(Its like shes searching for someone , and I dont think its Oden lol )

Toki is searching for Zoro ( she sends him to the future ahead of her 800 yrs ago )

I believe toki realizes when oden came back after reaching laughtale that she is 20 yrs early

Well Toki kept traveling in time meaning she didn't know when will The Event she is looking for happen.
And near end of Flashback, Oden did tell her that after he learned of True History, he confirmed The Event she is looking for will happen in 20 Years, but she refused to travel cuz she wanted to stay with Oden & even die with him

So apparently Toki knew about that Full Moon & Nine Shadows Prophecy & wanted to witness it & when Oden confirmed the timing, she said 20 Years before her death

What's interesting is that apparently Toki didn't believe she was needed in such Time, she simply wanted to witness it & crazy part is that she was willing to skip 800 years of history for it

All of this suggest that what Toki truly wanted was "What happens after Wano opens it's Borders" which apparently is something that can change the Entire World. So no, i don't think she is looking for Zoro or Nine Shadows or Kaidou's Defeat ... etc, she simply wants to see the World Change & she knows the Trigger is in Wano

That's why Sengoku told Akainu that Wano is Special & attracts the Best Famed People
And that's also why Kaidou told Yamato "This is Wano!" when asked about his actions
It's also why WG are awaiting in case Kaidou is defeated to take over Wano
And why Zunisha obeyed Momo but not Luffy

Next Volume will have some crazy revelations

 

[Halyup]

Well Toki kept traveling in time meaning she didn't know when will The Event she is looking for happen.
And near end of Flashback, Oden did tell her that after he learned of True History, he confirmed The Event she is looking for will happen in 20 Years, but she refused to travel cuz she wanted to stay with Oden & even die with him

So apparently Toki knew about that Full Moon & Nine Shadows Prophecy & wanted to witness it & when Oden confirmed the timing, she said 20 Years before her death

What's interesting is that apparently Toki didn't believe she was needed in such Time, she simply wanted to witness it & crazy part is that she was willing to skip 800 years of history for it

All of this suggest that what Toki truly wanted was "What happens after Wano opens it's Borders" which apparently is something that can change the Entire World. So no, i don't think she is looking for Zoro or Nine Shadows or Kaidou's Defeat ... etc, she simply wants to see the World Change & she knows the Trigger is in Wano

That's why Sengoku told Akainu that Wano is Special & attracts the Best Famed People
And that's also why Kaidou told Yamato "This is Wano!" when asked about his actions
It's also why WG are awaiting in case Kaidou is defeated to take over Wano
And why Zunisha obeyed Momo but not Luffy

Next Volume will have some crazy revelations

1037 have some crazy plot twist

It relates to Zoro lol
Opening wano needs Zoro ( Ryuuma ) Luffy (Joyboy) and Momo ( Uranus /ancient weapon )


Thats also why Toki send Momo to future and not Hiyori .
She only told hiyori to look for a man using 3 swords

Thats why the event can only happen when all of them are together

 

[Salah WG]

1037 have some crazy plot twist

It relates to Zoro lol
Opening wano needs Zoro ( Ryuuma ) Luffy (Joyboy) and Momo ( Uranus /ancient weapon )

Thats why the event can only happen when all of them are together

I agree on that Trio
But not those Figures

Ryuma is only 500 years ago
Joy Boy is from Void Century (+800 Years ago)

Luffy = Sun God
Momo = Joy Boy
Zoro = Ancient Character who had an Eye-Patch

 

[Halyup]

I agree on that Trio
But not those Figures

Ryuma is only 500 years ago
Joy Boy is from Void Century (+800 Years ago)

Luffy = Sun God
Momo = Joy Boy
Zoro = Ancient Character who had an Eye-Patch

My theory is theres multiple joyboys per century
Ryuuma made contact with joyboy , but that aint the joyboy that wrote the promise to poseidon

 

[The White Crane]

Remember when toki is searching for wano
And travelling from centuries to centuries
(Its like shes searching for someone , and I dont think its Oden lol )

Toki is searching for Zoro ( she sends him to the future ahead of her 800 yrs ago )

I believe toki realizes when oden came back after reaching laughtale that she is 20 yrs early

Toki and time fruit - we might hear about it in the coming chapters

I like the theory of Zoro being sent from the past more than him being Ryuma like some people speculated.

 

[Halyup]

I like the theory of Zoro being sent from the past more than him being Ryuma like some people speculated.

Oda sets the theory in motion whenhe revealed Ushimaru isnt Zoro's father

 

[Finalbeta]

I agree on that Trio
But not those Figures

Ryuma is only 500 years ago
Joy Boy is from Void Century (+800 Years ago)

Luffy = Sun God
Momo = Joy Boy
Zoro = Ancient Character who had an Eye-Patch

I will be pretty disappointed if Joy Boy wasn't a giant-ish man whose giant-ish hat belonged to tbh

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Ryuma killed onigashima years ago. Now the new Ryuma will make the same

ok

Yes, i agree, but people attacking Wano to take what's inside proves that the Legend meant Gold indeed
Cuz people wouldn't attack Wano if it was just to get their hands on Sea Prism or enjoy the changing Seasons & Gardens ... etc

Wano is Land of Gold without Gold, that's the Story of the Two who didn't meet
Also people always think that "Opening Wano Borders" is about Freeing Wano, but that isn't True
Because this Dream & Wano being closed was an issue long before Kaidou even showed up

Opening Wano Borders = Continue it's Project
Wano is Unfinished, those Regions aren't the only ones, there are more that didn't make it

Wano = Country of Harmony
Meaning it was created as a Kingdom that embraces Unity & allows different people to live together, which sounds like Big Mom's Utopia
Actually if you think about it, why didn't Minks live in Wano if they wanted to isolate themselves & they are Best Friends with Kozuki Family? And Samurai are so strong that no one can set foot inside

The reason is because Wano Project was simply Unfinished (That's what Zunisha is waiting for & that's why it only obeyed Momo who represents the Real Shogun)

Please don't make me continue lol
I will share my Full Analysis about every single mystery in One Piece when i'm ready

tag me in when you finish that analysis of yours :cheers:
And yh i mostly agree with your take here and it make sense.

Remember when toki is searching for wano
And travelling from centuries to centuries
(Its like shes searching for someone , and I dont think its Oden lol )

Toki is searching for Zoro ( she sends him to the future ahead of her 800 yrs ago )

I believe toki realizes when oden came back after reaching laughtale that she is 20 yrs early

Toki and time fruit - we might hear about it in the coming chapters

I once thought that too but not anymore. I think Toki was looking for Wano because after she leapt into the future wherever "Wano" was is not "there" anymore.

1037 have some crazy plot twist

It relates to Zoro lol
Opening wano needs Zoro ( Ryuuma ) Luffy (Joyboy) and Momo ( Uranus /ancient weapon )


Thats also why Toki send Momo to future and not Hiyori .
She only told hiyori to look for a man using 3 swords

Thats why the event can only happen when all of them are together

It looked like that when Hiyori saw Zoro uses 3 swords. But until it comes up again we can't confirm or deny.

I like the theory of Zoro being sent from the past more than him being Ryuma like some people speculated.

The Lost Samurai~