Character Discussion Sanji's character arc in WCI

[Monkey D Theories]

I mean, you get that the whole point was that Sanji wasn't morally obligated to save them, right?

My point is that no sane person would try to save judge. I could accept it if this was My Hero Academia or Spiderman, where the MC is supposed to be a morally righteous hero, but it just doesn't fit for sanji imo. Yeah Sanji is kind, but Sanji's flames are literally fed by his rage.

What happened in WCI was the same thing that's been happening since, AT LEAST, Dressrosa:
"Oda mixing a bunch of arc ideas into a single one because he can't make up his mind on what he wants to write, so he tries to write everything".

The result? A "Jack of all trades, master of none" type of scenario.

I feel like WCI is where the drop in quality for OP began to become clearly noticeable. You can clearly see that Oda wrote himself into a corner with the vs yonko saga.

Dressrosa wasn't nearly as bad. Doffy was Law's personal villain and I think it was really exciting to see that unfold in the manga. But for WCI, it just felt like Oda didn't know what he was doing.
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I think it would have been fine if Sanji tried to save judge if they were at least the villains of the arc. But its just hard when Oda outright portrays the vinsmokes as literal nazis, shows that sanji has zero love for them, and then tries to force them as allies.

I feel like I can speak for a majority of sanji fans when I say that it would have probably been better if the climax of sanji's arc was a battle between him and Ichiji, rather than the cake(which isn't to say that the cake couldn't still happen, but it shouldn't be the climax of his arc).

 

[stealthblack]

Instead of germa arc we got trash punk hazard and fishman island of shit

 

[RayanOO]

first I want to say that having a character arc is better than having no character arc (me looking at all the other SH)

Sanji's flames are literally fed by his rage.

D: Odacchi, nice to meet you!! I finally sent you a postcard. It's a serious question, so give me a real answer. That trick that Sanji used to beat Jabra !! If it was that hot to Jabra, wouldn't it burn Sanji, too?!! Wouldn't Sanji be like, "yeow"?? Tell me![/COLOR][/COLOR]
O: What are you talking about... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!! Are those eyes, or holes in your head?!! What were you watching in that fight?!! His LEG is hot?! No, it's not hot!! SANJI'S HEART WAS BURNING SO MUCH HOTTER!!!

Sanji DJ is not rage fueled, it’s his burning passion.
And Sanji point was to not be like Judge. An emotionless bastard. Sanji wanted to settle his past. To put it behind it. He showed Judge his kindness and heart wouldn’t equal to weakness. And dead Vinsmoke wouldn’t give any positive feeling to Sanji, wouldn’t allow him to move on.
I don’t say that it’s the greatest character arc in history but at least in One piece it’s better than nothing

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The entire arc was to show that Sanji was better than them. That Sanji cares about the one thing Judge never did, Life itself.

Germa wasn’t the main villains of the arc but they were the antagonistic force that Sanji defeated the exact same way he did with Gin in his introduction with his kindness and his will.

Allowing Germa to die would’ve been a shame to the two people Sanji owes the most to:
Zeff - Who raised Sanji as a true man
Sora - Who sacrificed her life in hopes of saving her children

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The entire arc was to show that Sanji was better than them. That Sanji cares about the one thing Judge never did, Life itself.

Germa wasn’t the main villains of the arc but they were the antagonistic force that Sanji defeated the exact same way he did with Gin in his introduction with his kindness and his will.

Allowing Germa to die would’ve been a shame to the two people Sanji owes the most to:
Zeff - Who raised Sanji as a true man
Sora - Who sacrificed her life in hopes of saving her children

with gin it made sense

Sanji and zeff starved on that island together, so he knows how horrible starvation is and didn't want anyone to go through the same thing as him. But with Judge, while I did like that scene with sanji confronting him, I just feel like it wasn't executed that well.

 

[Rayleigh22]

WCI is a forgettable and boring Arc, i would never reread again.

Oda should have done an Arc about Sanji and his goal (finding the All-Blue) and answer some (basic) questions. Sanjis goal could be the main topic and some of the other crews goals could be also be included (but only as secondary themes).

You could make such a great Arc with such a formula.

 

[Julius]

Reread a 80 chapter arc, where half of it is either Sanji baking a cake or Big Mom screaming wedding cake.

You know thats not it, even thatn Big Mom chasing the wedding cake was annoying as hell

Anyone can read it quite fast, and pay more attention to a lot of stuff (like the most trivial events people usually asks so much about here on WG, like they didn't even read the actual arc)

But you hate the manga in general so whatever

 

[IsaziSempi]

That travesty is over why speak life into it? WcI wasn't that bad but it did feel like Oda was taking a giant shit on BM and Sanji. As the arc was for bm and Sanji but really only made luffy and katakuri look good.. oh and Brooke.

The worse thing about WCI is big mom losing to law and kidd the next arc.

 

[Peenix]

My point is that no sane person would try to save judge. I could accept it if this was My Hero Academia or Spiderman, where the MC is supposed to be a morally righteous hero, but it just doesn't fit for sanji imo. Yeah Sanji is kind, but Sanji's flames are literally fed by his rage.

In the arc that introduced him, Sanji gave food to Krieg and his men despite fully knowing that they intended to kill him because they didn't deserve to starve to death. How does him saving Judge not fit his character?

 

[soheilhazrat]

Would it? Zeff was a pirate, didn't he literally murder people?

This is why I say it is forced. Judge is objectively an evil person and he was the victim of his own folly. Sanji isn't jesus christ or superman.

Well if manga states he would be then he would
We cant change this

 

[Finalbeta]

Feel like Oda sama could have handled the Sanji situation better, perhaps allowing him to trust his nakama to help him out with the Zeff situation a bit more instead of surrendering to the oppressions and vexing too soon

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Feel like Oda sama could have handled the Sanji situation better, perhaps allowing him to trust his nakama to help him out with the Zeff situation a bit more instead of surrendering to the oppressions and vexing too soon

You mean the nakama who were an island away and were separated for weeks?

 

[Finalbeta]

You mean the nakama who were an island away and were separated for weeks?

He should have known they would not have abandoned him :cheers:

And in fact they arrived, he could have asked them for help instead of kicking his own captain, all I'm suggesting

But this has been merely my opinion since ages on here

 

[soheilhazrat]

Feel like Oda sama could have handled the Sanji situation better, perhaps allowing him to trust his nakama to help him out with the Zeff situation a bit more instead of surrendering to the oppressions and vexing too soon

To help zeff, they should go back
A pirate crew only goes forward and never back we learn that in TB.

 

[lee33]

You know thats not it, even thatn Big Mom chasing the wedding cake was annoying as hell

Anyone can read it quite fast, and pay more attention to a lot of stuff (like the most trivial events people usually asks so much about here on WG, like they didn't even read the actual arc)

But you hate the manga in general so whatever

When I reread arcs, it becomes worse because I start noticing things that served no purpose to the story. And no, I have said it a million times, I don't hate OP in general. I specifically hate WCI and Wano. For someone that is complaining about people reading too fast, you obviously are a victim of that too.

 

[Julius]

When I reread arcs, it becomes worse because I start noticing things that served no purpose to the story. And no, I have said it a million times, I don't hate OP in general. I specifically hate WCI and Wano. For someone that is complaining about people reading too fast, you obviously are a victim of that too.

Its not even about reading fast, but joining a crowd of people that repeats the same stuff over and over again until it becomes a plain truth in their minds, not allowing themselves to change opinions whatsoever. This manga has a slow build up, that should be a common knowledge

Espcially when there are so many people who overreact towards anything that happens in the manga, like it is in this fanbase

 

[Finalbeta]

To help zeff, they should go back
A pirate crew only goes forward and never back we learn that in TB.

They could have still faced the Germa or even the Big Mom Pirates

It was good that Germa found about Big Mom Pirates true intentions and shifted their hostility however

 

[Fn Lucci]

In the arc that introduced him, Sanji gave food to Krieg and his men despite fully knowing that they intended to kill him because they didn't deserve to starve to death. How does him saving Judge not fit his character?

This is why I don't get the salt over his ultimate moment being to make a legit cake. Oda has actually been very consistent with the things he cares about over the things he doesn't.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This is why I don't get the salt over his ultimate moment being to make a legit cake. Oda has actually been very consistent with the things he cares about over the things he doesn't.

i never understood the hate on the cake, I thought it was really cool and fitting with his character.

He was able to recreate a cake with just smell, he then created a cake surpassing the dreams of a woman who can eat anything and everything whenever she wants and In doing so he saved the straw hats from imminent death.

I guess people only cared about the fight but the cooking is so cool I wish we got more of it