Theory Sanji's Ifrit Jambe (Theory)

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#1
Don’t know about y’all but I for one was a bit disappointed with Sanji’s Ifrit fire power up. Personally I thought the design was quite lackluster and it just felt to me like Diable Jambe with a new name slapped on it. Also I felt like Sanji's black leg style overshadowed the flame power up a bit and that there was not enough focus on how destructive the flame itself is. What is even more disappointing is that Oda has been hella generous with AP power ups for the other members of the M3 this arc (i.e. advanced CoA, CoC coating, Enma etc.), yet Sanji’s Ifrit feels a bit lacking in comparison.

That said however, there’s just no way that Oda shafted Sanji someone he refers to as one of the wings of the PK in the PU department, so there has to be more to Ifrit than meets the eye, so I’m gonna try to speculate on it a bit and also discuss some of the implications this could have for Sanji going forward.

What do we know about Ifrit?
First of all, two tings are certain about Ifrit:
1.) Ifrit is more powerful, tenacious and hotter than Diable
2.) The Kanji for Ifrit is “魔神”[Majin](Lit. Demon God)

On 1.), with the exception of the brief description I gave above on this point, not all that much is known about Ifrit as of yet. However, even though I can’t say this with 100% certainty, I think the likelihood of this new form “Ifrit” being hotter than fire is very high and we can look to Chapter 1023 for the reason for this.

In Chapter 1023, when Queen asked why Sanji can combust into flames, Sanji replied saying that the flames of his passion will surpass the temperature of flames.
For people like me who love theorizing in general, even more so with Sanji related stuff, at the time, this seemed like a very clear foreshadowing for Sanji's next fire power up and alas! fast forward to the current chapter, Chapter 1034, we see that Sanji is now capable of generating stronger and hotter flames as a result of strengthening his newly awakened exoskeleton body with armament.

So although it isn't confirmed yet, I think this "fire hotter than flames" concept is what Ifrit is based off and what it's going to prove to be.

Also, personally I still can't get over the design of Ifrit and feel that Oda could've surely done a lot better to make it look more distinctive from Sanji's diable Jambe, so I have an inkling that Sanji's current Ifrit is only a teaser of the real ting hence why the current design feels a bit lacklustre. In other words it isn't yet at it's max output (i.e. hotter than flames just yet). Though this perception can very easily change when we get the colored version of it. That said, another reason why I think it isn't at it's max output is coz I feel Sanji isn't angry enough yet. In chapter 1023, Sanji's comment was made in the context of "passion", so this doesn't feel like Sanji's max output to me even though the ceiling for how hot Sanji's flames can get has increased. So I feel something is gonna stimulate Sanji to bring out the max output of his flames. Will discuss what I think this scenario will be towards the end of this theory ^^

Panel from chapter 1023

Note: Viz's translation here is the closest to what was stated in the raws but it isn't 100% accurate imo.
Here Sanji is talking about the future not the present.


Next up, 2.), now this is where it gets really interesting ^^
Like I stated above, the Kanji for Ifrit is 魔神 (Lit. Demon God), so basically Sanji's fire technique has evolved from 悪魔 (Akuma) [Lit. Demon/Devil ] to 魔神(Majin) [Lit. Demon God].

After briefly looking up these two words, the main difference btw these two beings seems to be that Akuma is a sort of "Demonic Spirit" that brings about calamity whereas Majin is a "Demonic god" that brings about calamity.

Now what is very interesting about this word, "Majin" that Oda uses for Sanji here is the presence of the word "god" in it, particularly when you consider that a so called race of "gods" called the Lunarians have recently been introduced into the story and that Sanji is eerily similar to them as he can combust into flames. So is this naming simply just a coincidence?:quest: or could there be more to it?:hope:. Another interesting point on this word Majin is that it can be written in two different ways. 魔神 (Demon + God) or 魔人 (Demon + Person). How these two words are used (i.e. whether they can mean the same ting or completely different tings) is entirely dependent on the fictional work and funny ting is in OP, we already have an existing "Majin" in the story in Daifuku's Genie so there is a naming overlap here. Main difference between the two however, is that the "Majin" for Ifrit uses the Kanji for "god" whereas the "Majin" for Daifuku's Genie uses the Kanji for "Person".
Which is very interesting in two ways. Firstly Sanji is a "human" and not a "god" so why did Oda go with the Kanji for god instead of human. Secondly, I feel like this "Majin" overlap here could've been easily been avoided, but Oda still chose to use it for Ifrit regardless.

Personally I don't think this naming is just a coincidence.

The Potential of Ifrit. Is it just a more destructive flame?
From the looks of it, Ifrit looks like a more powerful diable Jambe and just that but in the case that Oda is establishing a connection here with the Lunarians, it could have some very very interesting implications ^^

Before we get into this though, I wanna briefly talk about Flames in One Piece ^^.
- In One Piece, there are two types of flames, 1.) the destructive flame which is the most common variant which people like Sanji, Ace, Sabo etc. have and 2.) the healing flame, which Marco has.
- Albeit a very rare occurrence, we know that flames can hurt other flames or rather at the very least we know that Marco is capable of hurting Prometheus with his flames for some reason even though they are not destructive by nature.According to Marco, his flames are special hence why he was able to hurt Prometheus.

From the above, we can gather that 1.) there are flames with different characteristics in OP (i.e. destructive or healing) and 2.) there are special flames in OP.
So chances are that Marco's flames is not the only special flame in the verse ^^

Now with that established, let's pedal back to Ifrit and it's potential :p to do this we are gonna talk about King a bit as the potential of Ifrit lies in it's connection to the Lunarians ^^.

Imo it is almost certain that whatever is up with King's durability is most likely a result of his flames. The fact that King has a flame burning behind his back 24/7 is hella sus, as there is literally no need for it except it serves some kinda of purpose and I think said purpose could potentially be "healing". Reason being in chapter 1033 when Zoro cut King with his Shi-shishisonson (Death Lion Song), in the very next panel, King's flame appeared to cover said cut as though healing it.

Moreover, in the same chapter, King basically self destructed and was fine to which Zoro commented saying "why is he alive!? (blowing urself up) isn't that something a suicidal person would do!?". So King is pretty confident in his ability to not die to the point where he is playing with bombs that would kill an ordinary person. One explanation for King surviving of course could be that his durability is so high that he can blow himself up but the other could be that the he is confident in his ability to heal.

Which if true could have some very interesting implications, as it'd mean that King's flames and the Lunarian's by default posses both destructive and healing capabilities as we already know his flames burn. It could also be that King is able to freely change the characteristic of his flame btw destructive & healing.

Initially I wasn't really keen on this "King being able heal" idea bcoz of the overlap with Marco's df but since we have already established that certain flames in OP are special. It makes sense for a race of gods with the characteristic feature of being able to combust into flames to possess "special" flames or be capable of using flames with both destructive and healing capabilities.

Anywho! with the above established if King is indeed capable of the above with his flames, the likelihood that Sanji can also utilize his flames in this way is very high ^^

Also, as a side note Sanji/Lunarian plot, the mere fact that Oda is switching btw Sanji and Zoro's battles is a bit odd as it's different from how he typically writes their fights. Not to mention the fact that we are even getting lore about King's race in the Sanji v Queen fight so it could very well be that some of the revelations about King in Zoro's fight will tie back to Sanji somehow. Also, in chapter 1033, when Sanji asked Queen why King's race was destroyed, Queen replied saying that he should ask "history" himself, so this I think could potentially be a set-up for Sanji finding out the hidden history about the Lunarians in the near future.


How Ifrit could potentially be utilized in Sanji v Queen
Now about the point I discussed above, with regards to how I think Sanji will be stimulated to bring out the max output of his Ifrit, personally I don't think Queen is down for the count just yet and I feel he's still gonna come back with one last hurrah before he's ultimately put down by Sanji, and this time, I think he'd be using his plagues. I already mentioned this in the "Is Queen defeated?" thread but I think we are gonna see a plague with the characteristics in the panel below from Queen the next time we get focus on Sanji v Queen.

That said however, right now even if Queen has something as lethal as the above, there is no way in hell he hits Sanji with it under normal circumstances. Sanji is just way too damn fast. So I think Queen is gonna have to play dirty to hit Sanji with it and the easiest way for him to do it now will be to take Osome hostage. The Beast Pirates have already researched the SHs and aware of Sanji's weakness, so Queen could potentially utilize this like Maria did in order to hit Sanji with his plague. For instance Queen could shoot his plague at Osome but Sanji protects her and then gets hit as a result. This I think might be enough to push Sanji to his boiling point thus bringing out the max potential of Ifrit ^^. Another ting is the question of how Sanji's get healed if he gets hit by the aforementioned plague and potential turns blind. Oda potentially have Chopper do this or! we could potentially see Sanji also change the characteristic of his flame to a healing type to heal himself ^^ (hypothetically speaking)

This theory is already long enough as is :catsweat:so I'm finna end it here ^^

Hope you enjoyed the read~!
 

Thururu

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#2
Great read Puck, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm one of these persons who are disappointed with Ifrit's visual so your thread really gave a little bit of hope in that sense.
I think Queen x Sanji will be finished in the next chapter, with Queen putting a plague in his body as last resource(maybe the Ice Oni?). Let's see what Oda is preparing for us.
 
#3
Great analysis, can't disagree to anything.
I just wanna add something about the word "Ifrit"

This Word is derived from Arabic Name of same Pronunciation that refers to a Demon/Genie (Jinn to be exact) from Islamic Theology.
He is a Powerful Demon who was mentioned in King Solomon's Story (Islamic Version).

King Solomon ruled over all Demons & Animals & when a meeting between him & another Queen was gonna occur, He wanted to do something to impress her, to show her that his Kingdom is greater than hers, thanks to what God bestowed upon him, so he wanted his Servants to get him "Her Throne" before she arrives (Her Kingdom is very far).

That is when multiple Powerful Demons & Servants started volunteering to do it & one of them was "Ifrit" who said that He can get that Throne before Solomon even sits !!

So this Name not only refers to Sanji's Demonic Power but also his Top Speed.
Also King Solomon's Story (How he ruled over Demons & Animals), his meeting with another Queen (Who worshipped The Sun) & the involvement of this Throne ... etc could also Hint towards the entire Events of this Raid (Wano, BM, Throne Wars, Demons & Oni, Animals ... etc)

Edit: or possibly it hints about the Meeting between Poseidon & King from afar that Sea Kings mentioned
 
#4
Great read Puck, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm one of these persons who are disappointed with Ifrit's visual so your thread really gave a little bit of hope in that sense.
I think Queen x Sanji will be finished in the next chapter, with Queen putting a plague in his body as last resource(maybe the Ice Oni?). Let's see what Oda is preparing for us.
Haha glad you enjoyed it ^^
Will be interesting to see what Oda does with Queen for his final hurrah. I'm not confident we are gonna get another CQC type battle btw Sanji and Queen tho (feel like we already got that this chapter), so not really sure about Queen using Ice Oni on himself anymore but if Oda does go that route, Oda could defo have Queen use Ice Oni to somewhat mitigate the impact of Sanji's flames which could force Sanji to further raise the temperate his flames ^^

Great analysis, can't disagree to anything.
I just wanna add something about the word "Ifrit"

This Word is derived from Arabic Name of same Pronunciation that refers to a Demon/Genie (Jinn to be exact) from Islamic Theology.
He is a Powerful Demon who was mentioned in King Solomon's Story (Islamic Version).

King Solomon ruled over all Demons & Animals & when a meeting between him & another Queen was gonna occur, He wanted to do something to impress her, to show her that his Kingdom is greater than hers, thanks to what God bestowed upon him, so he wanted his Servants to get him "Her Throne" before she arrives (Her Kingdom is very far).

That is when multiple Powerful Demons & Servants started volunteering to do it & one of them was "Ifrit" who said that He can get that Throne before Solomon even sits !!

So this Name not only refers to Sanji's Demonic Power but also his Top Speed.
Also King Solomon's Story (How he ruled over Demons & Animals), his meeting with another Queen (Who worshipped The Sun) & the involvement of this Throne ... etc could also Hint towards the entire Events of this Raid (Wano, BM, Throne Wars, Demons & Oni, Animals ... etc)

Edit: or possibly it hints about the Meeting between Poseidon & King from afar that Sea Kings mentioned
This is interesting ^^ I know Ifrit has ties to Islam but wasn't familiar with lore :p
Thanks for sharing~!
 
#6
I like the idea but according to Queen that insane amount of speed while using ifrit jambe already uses hella stamina, to the point the next time he sees sanji he is probably out of stamina, you may say queen might be just bullshitting but i think thats true, its oda's way to say the limit of ifrit jambe like gear4 or like asura ( seems like asura is limited for one hit only )
So how is gonna sanji use something that prolly takes even more stamina:zorothink:
 
#7
I like the idea but according to Queen that insane amount of speed while using ifrit jambe already uses hella stamina, to the point the next time he sees sanji he is probably out of stamina, you may say queen might be just bullshitting but i think thats true, its oda's way to say the limit of ifrit jambe like gear4 or like asura ( seems like asura is limited for one hit only )
So how is gonna sanji use something that prolly takes even more stamina:zorothink:
Sanji already started moving at a speed imperceivable to the naked eye prior to creating Ifrit Jambe though.
So the two are two separate tings ^^.
With the exception of Sanji himself saying that he can only use Ifrit for a short period of time, I think it's safe to assume he can use it without any time cap ^^

Also Queen saying that Sanji moving at that speed will burn his stamina is true but it's only common sense and the same I feel is applicable to stuff like Soru and even Sky Walk as they both require a lot of leg drive but we know Sanji can use the latter comfortably for an extended period of time. Also, unlike Diable Jambe, Ifrit Jambe or Gear 4th, Asura appears to be just a technique. Kinda like Sanji's Hell Memories.

Glad you liked the theory btw ^^
 
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#8
I like your thoughts on things and your could be right on alot of it, I do agree ifrit could have look cooler and that it's not at its peak yet so let's wait and see what oda does, & I do believe sanji might show some of those lunarian ability that might surprise queen maybe sanji start to awaken his lunarian genes like a flame that stay around him like king let's us knows he's fully awaken his lunarian genes etc but let's wait and see how things play out
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Healing flames damn if sanji truly is a lunarian and gets that it's gonna be awesome
 
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#9
I like your thoughts on things and your could be right on alot of it, I do agree ifrit could have look cooler and that it's not at its peak yet so let's wait and see what oda does, & I do believe sanji might show some of those lunarian ability that might surprise queen maybe sanji start to awaken his lunarian genes like a flame that stay around him like king let's us knows he's fully awaken his lunarian genes etc but let's wait and see how things play out
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Healing flames damn if sanji truly is a lunarian and gets that it's gonna be awesome
Yh healing abilities would be super dope :p I have no doubt I my mind that Sanji has Lunarian genes in him.
The only question for me personally is "what exactly is it, that is making King appear to be invulnerable". Whatever it is, long as it's tied to the Lunarian race, Sanji has the potential to use it as well ^^.

Also, thanks for reading and glad u liked it~!
 
#10
Sanji already started moving at a speed imperceivable to the naked eye prior to creating Ifrit Jambe though.
So the two are two separate tings ^^.
With the exception of Sanji himself saying that he can only use Ifrit for a short period of time, I think it's safe to assume he can use it without any time cap ^^

Also Queen saying that Sanji moving at that speed will burn his stamina is true but it's only common sense and the same I feel is applicable to stuff like Soru and even Sky Walk as they both require a lot of leg drive but we know Sanji can use the latter comfortably for an extended period of time. Also, unlike Diable Jambe, Ifrit Jambe or Gear 4th, Asura appears to be just a technique. Kinda like Sanji's Hell Memories.

Glad you liked the theory btw ^^
Since i like the attention you have on the story may i ask you another question lol,

Queen Apperantly knew everything about germa and judge, and he was shocked about sanji's fire so we can assume thats not from judge and germa, so how can he be half lunrain? Possibly from sora? If thats the case are his brothers half lunrain too?
 
#11
Since i like the attention you have on the story may i ask you another question lol,

Queen Apperantly knew everything about germa and judge, and he was shocked about sanji's fire so we can assume thats not from judge and germa, so how can he be half lunrain? Possibly from sora? If thats the case are his brothers half lunrain too?
Haha no worries :p and thanks ^^
Hmmm...after the last chapter it's now hard to tell whether or not Queen really doesn't know or at very least have an idea of how it is possible for Sanji to combust into flames coz apparently he was initially feigning ignorance about Germa's tech and has apparently researched all there is to know about it :hope:
To answer the main question tho, I don't think Sora is lunarian as if that were the case, all of Sanji's siblings would also be capable of combusting into flames as well. Not to mention Sora looks a bit too normal to be a Lunarian. I think Sanji's Lunarian connection is most likely a result of the drug Sora took to impede Judge's experiment. Could simply be that the drug had a bit of the Lunarian's DNA or that Sora ingesting that drug added an X factor to Judge's gene config for Sanji thereby somehow miraculously re-creating the already extinct Lunarian race through Sanji so sumin akin to the "chemical x" that created the powerpuff girls :milaugh:

Something that is really interesting now though is that Queen is aware that Judge always intended on creating emotionless soldiers so most likely than not all the other members of MADS like Vegapank and even Ceaser were aware of it so chances are that It was Vegapunk that gave Sora the drug she took to impede Judge's experiment or hell could even have been Queen ^^
 
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#13
I don't think there is anything too special or plot related stuff to worry about this. All I think is Oda just wanted to have new moves for sanji as a power up and changed diablo to Ifrit thats it. He might try to add some explaination but in the end its just a simple shounen power up added to sanji.
 
#15
I still think its from sora and judge is not aware of it because she hid her lineage to avoid govt persecution.

Sanji probably had it with him all along from his ancestors lineage and it revived through lineage factor experiment.

All his attacks have been related to demonic or hell related but Lunarians are said to be god. There is also faux paus what if they are fallen gods that betrsyed Ancient kingdom long back thats why king has black wing.
 
#16
Great analysis, can't disagree to anything.
I just wanna add something about the word "Ifrit"

This Word is derived from Arabic Name of same Pronunciation that refers to a Demon/Genie (Jinn to be exact) from Islamic Theology.
He is a Powerful Demon who was mentioned in King Solomon's Story (Islamic Version).

King Solomon ruled over all Demons & Animals & when a meeting between him & another Queen was gonna occur, He wanted to do something to impress her, to show her that his Kingdom is greater than hers, thanks to what God bestowed upon him, so he wanted his Servants to get him "Her Throne" before she arrives (Her Kingdom is very far).

That is when multiple Powerful Demons & Servants started volunteering to do it & one of them was "Ifrit" who said that He can get that Throne before Solomon even sits !!

So this Name not only refers to Sanji's Demonic Power but also his Top Speed.
Also King Solomon's Story (How he ruled over Demons & Animals), his meeting with another Queen (Who worshipped The Sun) & the involvement of this Throne ... etc could also Hint towards the entire Events of this Raid (Wano, BM, Throne Wars, Demons & Oni, Animals ... etc)

Edit: or possibly it hints about the Meeting between Poseidon & King from afar that Sea Kings mentioned
Many years have passed since I last heard this story
Glad you mentioned that
 
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