Questions & Mysteries Shamrock and S-Hawk only exist because...

[Erkan12]

Oda is not going to show us Shanks vs Luffy, and Mihawk vs Zolo, instead he will use Shanks's evil clone and Mihawk's seraphim clone to fight Luffy and Zolo?

It looks like Oda keep delaying the meeting of Luffy and Shanks even after Luffy become Great Pirate on Wano, Shanks suddenly changed his mind and didn't meet Luffy.

And if they meet, Luffy will have to give his Straw Hat back to Shanks.

Then Oda also created a Mihawk clone S-Hawk, perhaps Zolo vs Mihawk won't going to happen as well, and he will use Mihawk clone for that battle as well.

Too much coincidence for both Shanks and Mihawk, where both have emotional connection with Luffy and Zolo (Mihawk trained him for 2 years) and both Shanks and Mihawk need to lose, so Oda might use another character to get rid of them and make the clones fight Luffy and Zolo.

There is also an interesting thing about this S-Hawk, S-Hawk has:

- Daz Bones's ability
- Mihawk's ability
- Alber's ability
- Kaku was defeated by S-Hawk.

S-Hawk is like the combination of all previous Zolo opponents, and Mihawk.

The only opponent S-Hawk don't have anything to do with it is Shiryu. Which makes Shiryu unique.

 

[NAMELESS]

Oda is not going to show us Shanks vs Luffy, and Mihawk vs Zolo, instead he will use Shanks's evil clone and Mihawk's seraphim clone to fight Luffy and Zolo?

It looks like Oda keep delaying the meeting of Luffy and Shanks even after Luffy become Great Pirate on Wano, Shanks suddenly changed his mind and didn't meet Luffy.

And if they meet, Luffy will have to give his Straw Hat back to Shanks.

Then Oda also created a Mihawk clone S-Hawk, perhaps Zolo vs Mihawk won't going to happen as well, and he will use Mihawk clone for that battle as well.

Too much coincidence for both Shanks and Mihawk, where both have emotional connection with Luffy and Zolo (Mihawk trained him for 2 years) and both Shanks and Mihawk need to lose, so Oda might use another character to get rid of them and make the clones fight Luffy and Zolo.

There is also an interesting thing about this S-Hawk, S-Hawk has:

- Daz Bones's ability
- Mihawk's ability
- Alber's ability
- Kaku was defeated by S-Hawk.

S-Hawk is like the combination of all previous Zolo opponents, and Mihawk.

The only opponent S-Hawk don't have anything to do with it is Shiryu. Which makes Shiryu unique.

Mihawk vs Zoro is definitely happening. Oda created Crossguild with this very purpose. I could see BlackBeard taking out Shanks soon.

 

[Yoho]

I can only see two logical options for Shanks

A- He remains a rival to Luffy and they fight but they never truly become enemies and Shanks takes responsibility for taking down his family

B- He's been completely Loyal to his family this whole time and joins their side in the final war supporting Imu

Personally I'd prefer B the idea that Shanks was working for the WG the entire time has peaked my interest ever since the cladestine meeting with the gorosei

 

[MonsterKaido]

Sabo/Loki/Dragon are all possible candidates to fight shamrock as well imo.

As for S hawk I am not sure. It is possible S hawk when he matures surpasses Mihawk and is Zoro's final opponent but Venus is definitely Zoro's WG matchup.

 

[Blax Blah]

I love the idea of them either way and I hoped Shanks would have a twin, it's very cool

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

To show even a weak teen S-Hawk is stronger than that bum Shamrock

 

[Alter]

Yeah, I could see either Luffy or Zoro beat Shamrock. Both has their own case:


1. For Luffy, it serves as a proxy that he finally beat 'Shanks' since it is quite unlikely (though not impossible) that Luffy will directly beat the real Shanks.

2. For Zoro, do you remember that Mihawk waiting someone who is stronger than even his rival Shanks? I highly doubt that Oda will make Zoro beat Shanks. Narrative wise, both Blackbeard and Luffy has more business to do with Shanks than Zoro.
Since Oda said that Mihawk waiting someone stronger than Shanks, there is a possibility that he will symbolize it with Zoro beating Shamrock.

Spoiler

As for S-Hawk, I doubt he will be defeated.
BUT, IF he has to be defeated, there is only 3 characters that has a high chance to beat him as of now:
1. Zoro, as you'ved said above
2. Shiryu, inverse from what some people has theorized. Instead of beating Mihawk, he beat Mihawk's enhanced clone.
3. The real Mihawk, to show that there is only one supreme WSS and it cannot be copied.

 

[Nadel]

Oda is not going to show us Shanks vs Luffy, and Mihawk vs Zolo, instead he will use Shanks's evil clone and Mihawk's seraphim clone to fight Luffy and Zolo?

It looks like Oda keep delaying the meeting of Luffy and Shanks even after Luffy become Great Pirate on Wano, Shanks suddenly changed his mind and didn't meet Luffy.

And if they meet, Luffy will have to give his Straw Hat back to Shanks.

Then Oda also created a Mihawk clone S-Hawk, perhaps Zolo vs Mihawk won't going to happen as well, and he will use Mihawk clone for that battle as well.

Too much coincidence for both Shanks and Mihawk, where both have emotional connection with Luffy and Zolo (Mihawk trained him for 2 years) and both Shanks and Mihawk need to lose, so Oda might use another character to get rid of them and make the clones fight Luffy and Zolo.

There is also an interesting thing about this S-Hawk, S-Hawk has:

- Daz Bones's ability
- Mihawk's ability
- Alber's ability
- Kaku was defeated by S-Hawk.

S-Hawk is like the combination of all previous Zolo opponents, and Mihawk.

The only opponent S-Hawk don't have anything to do with it is Shiryu. Which makes Shiryu unique.

 

[shastar-sei]

And if they meet, Luffy will have to give his Straw Hat back to Shanks.

Shanks and Luffy will meet, but the Straw Hat will return to Luffy after Blackbeard kills Shanks sometime later. Luffy's pirate identity is tied to the Straw Hat. He can't lose it forever. Plus, there's still that unexplained Straw Hat hidden in Mary Geoise and the fact Joy Boy also wore one.

Shamrock could be defeated by Luffy, Loki, or even Zoro, but even if it's Luffy, the meeting with Shanks will still happen.

Then Oda also created a Mihawk clone S-Hawk, perhaps Zolo vs Mihawk won't going to happen as well, and he will use Mihawk clone for that battle as well.

I could see an adult S-Hawk being used as a hype tool for Mihawk. Despite all the upgrades he has on paper, S-Hawk ultimately can't surpass the original without full free will. Without the freedom to pursue his kingly ambitions, he'll be unable to awaken his latent CoC Haki or forge a Kokuto. Mihawk will shatter the Yoru replica and cut S-Hawk down.

The chapter where the Warlords were first dissolved ended with Hancock's warning not to underestimate their strength. It wouldn't surprise me if more originals ended up defeating their clones.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Oda is not going to show us Shanks vs Luffy, and Mihawk vs Zolo, instead he will use Shanks's evil clone and Mihawk's seraphim clone to fight Luffy and Zolo?

It looks like Oda keep delaying the meeting of Luffy and Shanks even after Luffy become Great Pirate on Wano, Shanks suddenly changed his mind and didn't meet Luffy.

And if they meet, Luffy will have to give his Straw Hat back to Shanks.

Then Oda also created a Mihawk clone S-Hawk, perhaps Zolo vs Mihawk won't going to happen as well, and he will use Mihawk clone for that battle as well.

Too much coincidence for both Shanks and Mihawk, where both have emotional connection with Luffy and Zolo (Mihawk trained him for 2 years) and both Shanks and Mihawk need to lose, so Oda might use another character to get rid of them and make the clones fight Luffy and Zolo.

There is also an interesting thing about this S-Hawk, S-Hawk has:

- Daz Bones's ability
- Mihawk's ability
- Alber's ability
- Kaku was defeated by S-Hawk.

S-Hawk is like the combination of all previous Zolo opponents, and Mihawk.

The only opponent S-Hawk don't have anything to do with it is Shiryu. Which makes Shiryu unique.

My prediction is Sabo or Dragon will defeat Shamrock. I do hope that Shamrock meets both Luffy/Shanks at one point in the story and even have a clash with the latter. That’ll be very emotional.

Shiryu will kill Mihawk. Zoro won’t meet Mihawk again

 

[Bad English]

My prediction is Sabo or Dragon will defeat Shamrock. I do hope that Shamrock meets both Luffy/Shanks at one point in the story and even have a clash with the latter. That’ll be very emotional.

Shiryu will kill Mihawk. Zoro won’t meet Mihawk again

Shamrock vs Ivankov best fight

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

S-Hawk is like the combination of all previous Zolo opponents, and Mihawk.

Who told you S-hawk is as strong as Mihawk?

Zoro clashes with him and directly says he’s not even as tough as mihawk

 

[Kair0s1]

There are quite a few recent developments that make me think Oda has already decided that Luffy and Shanks will never meet again.
The first is Luffy’s sudden obsession with Shanks ever since arriving at Elbaph.
Back in Wano, during the festival, he clearly senses Shanks’s Haki and yet, he seemed pretty indifferent.
Now, meeting Shanks seems like the most important thing in the world to him. And that shift feels intentional.
There are only two options: either their meeting will be far from friendly and emotional, or it simply won’t happen at all.

Another thing is how Oda is framing Shanks more and more as a tragic figure, someone who sacrificed all of his personal desires for a greater good.
He couldn’t travel with Buggy because he’s the so-called “child of destiny.”
He reconnected with his family at a specific point in his life, clearly for a reason.
And I get the strong feeling that he already knows he won’t live to see Luffy become Pirate King.

That scene with Bartolomeo really gave me that impression, and I know I’m not the only one who felt that way.

As for Mihawk, I’m not sure. It would make sense thematically if both Luffy and Zoro reached their peak without having to face their respective mentors.
But I don’t think both stories need to go that route.

I’m not exactly hyped for the Zoro vs Mihawk fight, but I don’t see why Oda would go out of his way to avoid it either.
Mihawk’s just chilling, doing nothing. He’s not really at risk of being removed from the story.

And if, by the end, Buggy and Luffy are the only two left standing (because both of them have dreams to fulfill), it wouldn’t be hard at all to set up the Zoro vs Mihawk fight.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

There are quite a few recent developments that make me think Oda has already decided that Luffy and Shanks will never meet again.
The first is Luffy’s sudden obsession with Shanks ever since arriving at Elbaph.
Back in Wano, during the festival, he clearly senses Shanks’s Haki and yet, he seemed pretty indifferent.
Now, meeting Shanks seems like the most important thing in the world to him. And that shift feels intentional.
There are only two options: either their meeting will be far from friendly and emotional, or it simply won’t happen at all.

Another thing is how Oda is framing Shanks more and more as a tragic figure, someone who sacrificed all of his personal desires for a greater good.
He couldn’t travel with Buggy because he’s the so-called “child of destiny.”
He reconnected with his family at a specific point in his life, clearly for a reason.
And I get the strong feeling that he already knows he won’t live to see Luffy become Pirate King.

That scene with Bartolomeo really gave me that impression, and I know I’m not the only one who felt that way.

As for Mihawk, I’m not sure. It would make sense thematically if both Luffy and Zoro reached their peak without having to face their respective mentors.
But I don’t think both stories need to go that route.

I’m not exactly hyped for the Zoro vs Mihawk fight, but I don’t see why Oda would go out of his way to avoid it either.
Mihawk’s just chilling, doing nothing. He’s not really at risk of being removed from the story.

And if, by the end, Buggy and Luffy are the only two left standing (because both of them have dreams to fulfill), it wouldn’t be hard at all to set up the Zoro vs Mihawk fight.

do these scenes prove Oda is a fan of Yanderes

 

[Erkan12]

Who told you S-hawk is as strong as Mihawk?

Zoro clashes with him and directly says he’s not even as tough as mihawk

That was Zolo being dumb, because later we see Zolo didn't even know S-Hawk was a Lunarian:

How can Zolo know anything about S-Hawk when he didn't even know S-Hawk was a Lunarian? He couldn't know anything.

Also reminder that Zolo is so dumb he didn't know he himself had Conqueror Haki Lmao.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

How can Zolo know anything about S-Hawk when he didn't even know S-Hawk was a Lunarian?

There’s this thing called CoO… A character doesn’t need to know the full extent of a their opponents powers to power scale them using CoO

also S-hawk being a lunarian didn’t affect how well he clashed with Zoro… it’s not like S-hawks as hiding some kind of hidden lunarian super strength

Zoro says he was interested in S-hawk… He ran up to him to clash and sense what he’s about and he concluded that he’s not comparable to Mihawk

No character has made any other comparison between S-hawk and Mihawk… Not even Vegapunk has said anything to likes of “Seraphims are stronger than the originals”… all he says is that they are more obedient that the originals

so your claim is based on jack fucking shit

 

[Erkan12]

There’s this thing called CoO… A character doesn’t need to know the full extent of a their opponents powers to power scale them using CoO

also S-hawk being a lunarian didn’t affect how well he clashed with Zoro… it’s not like S-hawks as hiding some kind of hidden lunarian super strength

Zoro says he was interested in S-hawk… He ran up to him to clash and sense what he’s about and he concluded that he’s not comparable to Mihawk

No character has made any other comparison between S-hawk and Mihawk… Not even Vegapunk has said anything to likes of “Seraphims are stronger than the originals”… all he says is that they are more obedient that the originals

so your claim is based on jack fucking shit

Thats how Gaban knew Zolo had Conquerors Haki but Zolo is so dumb he doesn't even know has Conqueror Haki.

Zolo was talking about how S-Hawk looks, he says ''little more human'' than Mihawk, he wasn't talking about power level, since S-Hawk looks like a kid, of course S-Hawk looks ''little'' more human than Mihawk, otherwise Zolo would know S-Hawk has Lunarian powers which makes him more powerful but Zolo didn't know S-Hawk has Lunarian powers, so its not about power levels, Zolo didn't know anything about S-Hawk's powers lmao.

So your Mihawk BS is debunked badly don't cry now.

 

[NotTommy]

I agree with Shamrock (though a friendly clash with Shanks would be amazing), but I still think Zoro will face Mihawk.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Thats how Gaban knew Zolo had Conquerors Haki but Zolo is so dumb he doesn't even know has Conqueror Haki.

Zolo was talking about how S-Hawk looks, he says ''little more human'' than Mihawk, he wasn't talking about power level, since S-Hawk looks like a kid, of course S-Hawk looks ''little'' more human than Mihawk, otherwise Zolo would know S-Hawk has Lunarian powers which makes him more powerful but Zolo didn't know S-Hawk has Lunarian powers, so its not about power levels, Zolo didn't know anything about S-Hawk's powers lmao.

So your Mihawk BS is debunked badly don't cry now.

How unfortunately for you that almost all your threads randomly require people to just believe whatever headcanon you profess

find the panel of anyone EVER saying S-hawk is even comparable let alone stronger than Mihawk and then make a thread about that

fucking hilarious