Future Events Shanks and Dragon roles in One Piece

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Herrera95

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It is interesting when you realize how those 2 have plots pretty similar to each other in One Piece.

Both are dad figures to Luffy. Both are the reason he became a pirate. Both are connected to WG and at some extend to Teach.

Of course Dragon is the real dad of Luffy while Shanks is the real reason he became a pirate. But Shanks represents much more of a father to Luffy while Luffy could have became another thing if Dragon was present in his life(probably a revo).

Dragon has much more plot to do with WG while Shanks has much more plot to do with Teach. But Teach for some reason attacked Revo's base while Shanks for some reason is respected by Sengoku and is having a meeting with Gorousei.

Now talking about One Piece as a whole. In every arc we need Luffy to have some emotional connection to beat the main villain. Luffy connection with Coby to beat Alvida, Zoro to beat Morgan, can't say much about Buggy but Usopp to beat Kuro and so on.

What will be the connection for Luffy to beat Teach and Im?

He won't beat simply because WG opposes freedom. He is not like that. All his arcs he is doing things that will help his friends not anyone he finds on his way.

He could beat Teach because of Ace. But Teach only gave Ace a beating. Akainu was the real killer. And 2 years after that he is already over it. I don't think Luffy will fight/defeat Akainu but he will need another connection(Sabo) to do it.

That's where Shanks and Dragon comes in.

Since Shanks is very related to Teach he may be the reason why Luffy fight and defeats Teach. But since he is having connection with WG they can betray Shanks(because he is a pirate, who cares) and Luffy will fight Im because of him.

And the otherside will happen with Dragon. Although Dragon has more issues with WG but was attacked by Teach, he will be the reason Luffy will revenge his father.

Of course Shanks connection to Luffy is much stronger than Dragon's. Maybe Shanks can be the reason of both events to happen since Teach can ally with WG(hard doubt) to kill him.
 
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Dragon/Sabo must defeat the government. Shanks so far is pointless because he is in theory Luffy's ally but he is too powerful and makes Luffy less of the classic underdog
 
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Herrera95

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Dragon/Sabo must defeat the government. Shanks so far is pointless because he is in theory Luffy's ally but he is too powerful and makes Luffy less of the classic underdog
I don't get it why he makes Luffy less of the classic underdog? Because he is his ally?

But it seems majority of fandom and I agree about Shanks fighting Teach next and Teach killing him. Maybe Shanks doesn't even find Luffy before that.
 
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I maintain the Final War will be treated as a free for all like Skypia, which means that Shanks and Dragon will both end up fighting multiple different enemies and probably be taken down by FV (Teach or IMU) at the very end alongside almost everyone else, just like Enel came in and destroyed everyone in Skypia. So I think they serve the purpose of engaging major enemies in the Final War and then also being a hype tool for the FV.

The way I imagine the final war, is it will be a battle between:

Revos + SH Grand Fleet

Vs

CG + RHP

Vs

BBP

Vs

Admirals + Gorosei + HK

Then Everyone vs IMU at the end
 
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Herrera95

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Revos + SH Grand Fleet

Vs

CG + RHP
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Why would Shanks ally to Cross Guild and not Luffy?

I'm seeing both Shanks and Teach going down before One Piece/Laugh Tale(or during it). I don't see a reason for Cross Guild to oppose Strawhats at Final War too. Crocodile goal has nothing to do with Luffy's.
 
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I don't get it why he makes Luffy less of the classic underdog? Because he is his ally?

But it seems majority of fandom and I agree about Shanks fighting Teach next and Teach killing him. Maybe Shanks doesn't even find Luffy before that.
So far he is alive and its a big powerful ally for Luffy who is already owerpowered with his Nika power. In theory he is an adversary for the One Piece but is he really?
 
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Herrera95

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So far he is alive and its a big powerful ally for Luffy who is already owerpowered with his Nika power. In theory he is an adversary for the One Piece but is he really?
I agree. 0 chances of Shanks and Luffy fighting for real. Same to Shanks and Cross Guild. Even Luffy and Cross Guild I don't see any scenario for a fight.
 
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Why would Shanks ally to Cross Guild and not Luffy?

I'm seeing both Shanks and Teach going down before One Piece/Laugh Tale(or during it). I don't see a reason for Cross Guild to oppose Strawhats at Final War too. Crocodile goal has nothing to do with Luffy's.
If Shanks was going to ally with Luffy he would have gone to see him at Wano and offered an alliance. He didn’t go because he specifically wants to fight Luffy.

Shanks allying with CG is something that isn’t confirmed yet, but I find it likely as Oda foreshadowed an alliance of Buggy and Shanks, when he had Shanks say they will goto Laughtale together some day. Shanks also knows how to manipulate Buggy, making it likely that he could broker an alliance.

Plus Mihawk is really the one with most of the power in CG, and Mihawk is in a similar position to Shanks where his role in the story is just wanting to test his abilities out against Zoro, in the same way Shanks wants to test himself against Luffy.

I’m also considering the match ups in CG + RHP vs SHs. They have good synergy when combined.

Luffy vs Shanks
Zoro vs Mihawk
Sanji vs Beckman
Jinbei vs Crocodile
 
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Herrera95

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If Shanks was going to ally with Luffy he would have gone to see him at Wano and offered an alliance. He didn’t go because he specifically wants to fight Luffy.

Shanks allying with CG is something that isn’t confirmed yet, but I find it likely as Oda foreshadowed an alliance of Buggy and Shanks, when he had Shanks say they will goto Laughtale together some day. Shanks also knows how to manipulate Buggy, making it likely that he could broker an alliance.

Plus Mihawk is really the one with most of the power in CG, and Mihawk is in a similar position to Shanks where his role in the story is just wanting to test his abilities out against Zoro, in the same way Shanks wants to test himself against Luffy.

I’m also considering the match ups in CG + RHP vs SHs. They have good synergy when combined.

Luffy vs Shanks
Zoro vs Mihawk
Sanji vs Beckman
Jinbei vs Crocodile
He didn't met Luffy at Wano because he would never be there in first place if wasn't for Film Red. Both him and Greenbull.

He said he had to deal with Bartolomeu first and then magically shows up at Elbaf with his whole crew. That can only mean Shanks is either afraid of Bartolomeu or maybe because he is from Luffy's fleet and he is afraid of Luffy or he never really was at Wano.

If Shanks allies with Cross Guild he is also ally with Luffy. There is no way he is allying with Buggy to fight Luffy. Maybe to fight Teach? Who knows.

Shanks doesn't want to test himself against Luffy. WTF? You said at the beginning he wants to fight Luffy but then he leaves Wano instead of going there to fight him or wai for him to leave which would be he was already rested from the battle.
 
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He didn't met Luffy at Wano because he would never be there in first place if wasn't for Film Red. Both him and Greenbull.

He said he had to deal with Bartolomeu first and then magically shows up at Elbaf with his whole crew. That can only mean Shanks is either afraid of Bartolomeu or maybe because he is from Luffy's fleet and he is afraid of Luffy or he never really was at Wano.

If Shanks allies with Cross Guild he is also ally with Luffy. There is no way he is allying with Buggy to fight Luffy. Maybe to fight Teach? Who knows.

Shanks doesn't want to test himself against Luffy. WTF? You said at the beginning he wants to fight Luffy but then he leaves Wano instead of going there to fight him or wai for him to leave which would be he was already rested from the battle.
Shanks didn’t need to be in Wano for the sake of Film Red, Oda could have put him on a cover story.

Shanks wants to test himself as a Pirate against Luffy, meaning it’s a race to reach the One Piece, and they will come into conflict when it comes to that.

I think Shanks + CG will also fight BBP, that’s why I think it will be a free for all.
 
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Herrera95

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Shanks didn’t need to be in Wano for the sake of Film Red, Oda could have put him on a cover story.

Shanks wants to test himself as a Pirate against Luffy, meaning it’s a race to reach the One Piece, and they will come into conflict when it comes to that.

I think Shanks + CG will also fight BBP, that’s why I think it will be a free for all.
So now Shanks is the one who wants to test himself and not Luffy that needs to test himself.

Shanks that is a Yonko for 6-8 years. While Luffy that just became one and Lucci doesn't even acknowledge him like that.

Keep going...
 
#18
So now Shanks is the one who wants to test himself and not Luffy that needs to test himself.

Shanks that is a Yonko for 6-8 years. While Luffy that just became one and Lucci doesn't even acknowledge him like that.

Keep going...
Shanks and Luffy can both want to test themselves, I don’t see any problem there.

Zoro was just a Pirate Hunter in East blue and Mihawk still wanted to eventual test himself against Zoro. It’s about their potential not their present power.
 
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Herrera95

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Shanks and Luffy can both want to test themselves, I don’t see any problem there.

Zoro was just a Pirate Hunter in East blue and Mihawk still wanted to eventual test himself against Zoro. It’s about their potential not their present power.
They never showed any will of test themselves.

I would say the only cases of someone in One Piece wants to test himself would be Mihawk attacking Whitebeard and Vista saving Luffy from Mihawk. Maybe Helmeppo and Koby against Luffy and Zoro too?

Mihawk wanted to test himself against Zoro? You are out of your mind. He didn't even started the fight with his main weapon. He pulled a pocket knife.
 
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They never showed any will of test themselves.

I would say the only cases of someone in One Piece wants to test himself would be Mihawk attacking Whitebeard and Vista saving Luffy from Mihawk. Maybe Helmeppo and Koby against Luffy and Zoro too?

Mihawk wanted to test himself against Zoro? You are out of your mind. He didn't even started the fight with his main weapon. He pulled a pocket knife.
Are you really saying Mihawk doesn’t want to fight Prime Zoro to test himself. If so we will have to agree to disagree as I find that obvious.
 
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