Versus Battle Shibashou vs Kanki!

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Not sure if there's a thread for this already but if not, it don't matter cuz my scenario is more interesting anyway.

Anyway,

Light skin stare mewer big daddy Goliath Shiba:

Or edgy sexy goth dark hero rizzler of Qin, Kanki the Beheader?

Restriction: Kanki and Shibashou have no knowledge of each other, so Shiba doesn't know about Kanki's nature and Kanki doesn't know about Seika's martial might.

Setting: I'm not gonna bother doing straight plain battlefield cuz we all know Kanki is gonna get mogged lol, so let's use Kokuyou Hills where Kanki can utilize all of his abilities instead. Let's just say that Rigan and Seika suddenly teleported and swapped places overnight, and in the morning, Seika receive news that Kanki Army is gonna invade Seika through Kokuyou Hills and their mission is to stop Kanki at all cost.

Shibashou obviously have all of his vassals, Kansaro, Gakushou, Jiaga, Jyoukaryuu, and Fuuon for this. Same for Kanki, he got Maron, Raido, Koku'Ou, Ringyoku, Naki, Shuma Clan, Zenou Clan and all of his bandits. Seika has 120K troops and Kanki has 120K troops as well. But 50K of Kanki Army are bandits while 70K are Qin soldiers.

Seika Army:

Shibashou - 30K
Kansaro - 20K
Jiaga - 20K
Gakushou - 20K
Jyoukaryuu - 20K
Fuuon - 10K

Kanki Army:

Kanki - 30K
Maron - 20K
Raido - 20K
Ringyoku - 20K
Koku'Ou - 20K
Naki - 10K

Bandits and Qin soldiers are mixed.

There are two scenarios and five rounds for this battle (I will explain the five rounds below):

S1: Capture the Hills only. Basically who will get to central hill first and who will successfully taken all 5 hills in the end. That would be a deciding win factor.
S2: Capture the Hills is not considered winning but taking down Seika is. If Kanki reaches Seika AND capturing Kokuyou Hills as well then that would be the winning factor for Kanki.


R1: Seika Army vs Kanki Army ONLY.
R2: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + Hi Shin Unit with 30K (basically the HSU that is in Hango right now). Kanki's troops get reduced to 90K to fit the HSU. Do the same for rounds below.
R3: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + HSU (30K) + Gyoko Hou (30K, pretty much Hango version).
R4: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + HSU (30K) + Gyoko Hou (30K) + Gaku Ka (30K, assuming that Mouten return stronger with more troops). Kanki Army will have 150K troops this time, 60K of Kanki Army and 90K of HSU, GKH, and GKK.
R5: If y'all still think Seika wins R4 then add 20K Heki Army or 20K Rokuomi Army or both for this round.


That's all. Discuss to your heart's content!
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[Luffy is the mc]

Kanki wins all rounds. He would use the same strategy he used against Kisui and I think it would work. He would do some shady shit as usual, Seika wouldn't be able to deal with it.
So far it seems Seika relies only on might, not enough to win against Kanki on a terrain like Kokuyou Hills.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Kanki wins all rounds. He would use the same strategy he used against Kisui and I think it would work. He would do some shady shit as usual, Seika wouldn't be able to deal with it.
So far it seems Seika relies only on might, not enough to win against Kanki on a terrain like Kokuyou Hills.

Was waiting for someone to bought this up.

If Kanki pull the same stunt against Kisui (which he will, let's be real lol) against Shibashou this time, do you think Shiba will have a way to counter Kanki's scheme this time? Unlike with Kisui where Keisha got killed and the Zhao manpower there was pretty much lost, do you think Shiba will sent Kansaro or Gakushou back to Seika just in case while Shiba resumes the Kokuyou battle?

 

[Elmahdi]

ShiBaShou take round 1 with some serious casuality.(Kanki will 100% succes at manipulating Seika Army But Seika will just brute force their way of whatever kanki will do, Seika soldiers are truly something else,They get flanked by 20 000 and their reaction was "We don't care",Basicaly Kanki will do his tricks and he will succed but he lack the pawns to take down The Seika Army.
For Round 2,it is 50/50.
Kanki take everything else.From Round 3 to Round 5,He will have too many pawns to deal with Seika's Strengh,The Hi Shin's Martial Might represented by Shin and Kyou Kai+Ouhoun's ability as both warrior and Strategist+Kanki's BS+Zenou destructive Power...

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Was waiting for someone to bought this up.

If Kanki pull the same stunt against Kisui (which he will, let's be real lol) against Shibashou this time, do you think Shiba will have a way to counter Kanki's scheme this time? Unlike with Kisui where Keisha got killed and the Zhao manpower there was pretty much lost, do you think Shiba will sent Kansaro or Gakushou back to Seika just in case while Shiba resumes the Kokuyou battle?

i don't think he can counter Kanki on a field like Kokuyou hills. Once Kanki figures out how strong Seika is, he will avoid direct confrontations, do some guerilla fights, try to eliminate the strongest targets. His army and himself were the best at that.

It will be much harder than against the Rigan army but I can't see SBS and his men winning here.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

ShiBaShou take round 1 with some serious casuality.(Kanki will 100% succes at manipulating Seika Army But Seika will just brute force their way of whatever kanki will do, Seika soldiers are truly something else,They get flanked by 20 000 and their reaction was "We don't care",Basicaly Kanki will do his tricks and he will succed but he lack the pawns to take down The Seika Army.
For Round 2,it is 50/50.
Kanki take everything else.From Round 3 to Round 5,He will have too many pawns to deal with Seika's Strengh,The Hi Shin's Martial Might represented by Shin and Kyou Kai+Ouhoun's ability as both warrior and Strategist+Kanki's BS+Zenou destructive Power...

Agree with this.

i don't think he can counter Kanki on a field like Kokuyou hills. Once Kanki figures out how strong Seika is, he will avoid direct confrontations, do some guerilla fights, try to eliminate the strongest targets. His army and himself were the best at that.

It will be much harder than against the Rigan army but I can't see SBS and his men winning here.

Fair enough.

Straight plain fields seem to be Seika's forte but I will definitely give guerrilla warfare to Kanki as well. Then like you said, eliminate the strongest targets but Zenou wouldn't be enough. I'd say HSU and GKH are needed for Kanki to win here.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

My brain spun when I saw all these scenarios and rounds lmfao. Going to try and answer this the best I can.

S1: Capture the Hills only. Basically who will get to central hill first and who will successfully taken all 5 hills in the end. That would be a deciding win factor.

Round 1: Seika effortlessly stomps. Kanki has absolutely no threats to the Seika gang aside from Zenou. Raido is irrelevant. And Zenou can only account for a single hill out of five.

Round 2: Shin and Kyoukai are threats but the Kanki army is still at a big martial disadvantage. And the Hi Shin Unit can really only account for one hill out of five with these numbers. (Btw, weren’t there only three hills at KokuYou?) anyway, Shin is definitely a wild card who poses a threat to any Seika general including Shibashou but Seika is still the safe bet.

Round 3: Same as round 1, would probably be a harder battle but the HSU and Gyoku Hou would now account for two hills instead of one. It would depend on matchups but Seika wins more often than not. Unless we have a Shibashou vs Shin/Ouhon scenario which is anyone’s guess (Shibashou is still the safe bet).

Round 4: lol, you keep giving Qin more and more numbers. It’s fine I guess. I don’t think the Gakuka changes anything from scenario 3 really. We all saw how Mouten vs Gakushou went, and I don’t see what tactical shenanigans he could pull that would prevent whatever Seika general he’s up against from storming their hill. He doesn’t change much aside from putting Seika at an even bigger numerical disadvantage, which…as we saw at Hango, who cares lol

Round 5: Bruh. Lol. Aight so Haki and Rokuomi are too weak to match up against any Seika commander, but it’s like 250k vs 120k at this point lmfao. Qin can probably overwhelm them via sheer numbers. But I’m still not convinced that would be enough for the W, we literally saw Shibashou get surrounded and pincered at a 1:2 numerical disadvantage and he still won. Lol

I guess Qin wins round 5 so I don’t get called biased.

S2: Capture the Hills is not considered winning but taking down Seika is. If Kanki reaches Seika AND capturing Kokuyou Hills as well then that would be the winning factor for Kanki.

This scenario kind of confuses me lol. I don’t think Kanki would have actually been able to capture Rigan should Kisui have attacked him from the rear, hence why he didn’t actually try and was just using that threat to free up KokuYou Hills. So I doubt he’d capture Seika either. Like imagine if Kanki surrounded Seika, then Shibashou rallied all 4 of his generals and they drill-formation charged Kanki’s HQ with all 120k men. Kanki would get erased from the history books. Lol

But I guess I’ll entertain it anyway:

Round 1: Seika obliterates

Round 2: Depends on if Shin or the Shiyuu can slay Shibashou. If not, Seika wins.

Round 3: Same as round 2

And nothing much changes in round 4 or round 5 aside from the Qin having more numbers which again…doesn’t particularly matter against the martial might of Seika. Lol

Really for the Qin to definitively beat Shibashou, you would need to put him against Moubu or Tou or Yotanwa. Ousen and Kanki lack the martial power to definitively finish Seika.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

My brain spun when I saw all these scenarios and rounds lmfao. Going to try and answer this the best I can.



Round 1: Seika effortlessly stomps. Kanki has absolutely no threats to the Seika gang aside from Zenou. Raido is irrelevant. And Zenou can only account for a single hill out of five.

Round 2: Shin and Kyoukai are threats but the Kanki army is still at a big martial disadvantage. And the Hi Shin Unit can really only account for one hill out of five with these numbers. (Btw, weren’t there only three hills at KokuYou?) anyway, Shin is definitely a wild card who poses a threat to any Seika general including Shibashou but Seika is still the safe bet.

Round 3: Same as round 1, would probably be a harder battle but the HSU and Gyoku Hou would now account for two hills instead of one. It would depend on matchups but Seika wins more often than not. Unless we have a Shibashou vs Shin/Ouhon scenario which is anyone’s guess (Shibashou is still the safe bet).

Round 4: lol, you keep giving Qin more and more numbers. It’s fine I guess. I don’t think the Gakuka changes anything from scenario 3 really. We all saw how Mouten vs Gakushou went, and I don’t see what tactical shenanigans he could pull that would prevent whatever Seika general he’s up against from storming their hill. He doesn’t change much aside from putting Seika at an even bigger numerical disadvantage, which…as we saw at Hango, who cares lol

Round 5: Bruh. Lol. Aight so Haki and Rokuomi are too weak to match up against any Seika commander, but it’s like 250k vs 120k at this point lmfao. Qin can probably overwhelm them via sheer numbers. But I’m still not convinced that would be enough for the W, we literally saw Shibashou get surrounded and pincered at a 1:2 numerical disadvantage and he still won. Lol

I guess Qin wins round 5 so I don’t get called biased.



This scenario kind of confuses me lol. I don’t think Kanki would have actually been able to capture Rigan should Kisui have attacked him from the rear, hence why he didn’t actually try and was just using that threat to free up KokuYou Hills. So I doubt he’d capture Seika either. Like imagine if Kanki surrounded Seika, then Shibashou rallied all 4 of his generals and they drill-formation charged Kanki’s HQ with all 120k men. Kanki would get erased from the history books. Lol

But I guess I’ll entertain it anyway:

Round 1: Seika obliterates

Round 2: Depends on if Shin or the Shiyuu can slay Shibashou. If not, Seika wins.

Round 3: Same as round 2

And nothing much changes in round 4 or round 5 aside from the Qin having more numbers which again…doesn’t particularly matter against the martial might of Seika. Lol

Really for the Qin to definitively beat Shibashou, you would need to put him against Moubu or Tou or Yotanwa. Ousen and Kanki lack the martial power to definitively finish Seika.

Lol, maybe I should have clarify better.

R2: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + Hi Shin Unit with 30K (basically the HSU that is in Hango right now). Kanki's troops get reduced to 90K to fit the HSU. Do the same for rounds below.
R3: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + HSU (30K) + Gyoko Hou (30K, pretty much Hango version).
R4: Seika Army vs Kanki Army + HSU (30K) + Gyoko Hou (30K) + Gaku Ka (30K, assuming that Mouten return stronger with more troops). Kanki Army will have 150K troops this time, 60K of Kanki Army and 90K of HSU, GKH, and GKK.
R5: If y'all still think Seika wins R4 then add 20K Heki Army or 20K Rokuomi Army or both for this round.

When HSU gets added, Kanki's army numbers gets reduced to 90K. Meaning that it's still 120K troops including the 30K HSU. I'm not adding more troops except R4 and R5.

As for your post, Kokuyou have 5 hills in total actually. 2 on each sides and the central hill which is the deciding factor.

I think Kanki can win with just HSU + GKH. But for reassurances, GKK in R4 will bring Qin the win.

As for Scenario 2, maybe I make it a bit too confusing Lmao. I think I'mma stick with your scenario where Kanki will try to go after Seika go not actually trying to capture it. Basically Kanki threatens Shibashou that he will take down Seika and how Shibashou would responds.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Lol, maybe I should have clarify better.

When HSU gets added, Kanki's army numbers gets reduced to 90K. Meaning that it's still 120K troops including the 30K HSU. I'm not adding more troops except R4 and R5.

As for your post, Kokuyou have 5 hills in total actually. 2 on each sides and the central hill which is the deciding factor.

I think Kanki can win with just HSU + GKH. But for reassurances, GKK in R4 will bring Qin the win.

As for Scenario 2, maybe I make it a bit too confusing Lmao. I think I'mma stick with your scenario where Kanki will try to go after Seika go not actually trying to capture it. Basically Kanki threatens Shibashou that he will take down Seika and how Shibashou would responds.

I see. I speedread the numbers lol. My B.

So Qin has the same numbers in all rounds except for rounds 4 and 5. In round 4 where they have 150 and round 5 where they have 190.

Yeah, Seika clears all rounds. Lol

The only hope of Qin winning this at all is if Shin or Ouhon or the Shiyuu slay Shibashou. Which is anyone’s guess but I’d still favor Shibashou for now.

As for scenario 2, the problem is Kanki has to both capture the hills and Seika. Which ain’t happening because worst case scenario Shibashou would commit his whole army to protecting Seika, and then Kanki can say goodbye to that dream lol.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I see. I speedread the numbers lol. My B.

It's all good ^^

I made the thread a bit too long and messy lol.

So Qin has the same numbers in all rounds except for rounds 4 and 5. In round 4 where they have 150 and round 5 where they have 190.

Yeah, Seika clears all rounds. Lol

The only hope of Qin winning this at all is if Shin or Ouhon or the Shiyuu slay Shibashou. Which is anyone’s guess but I’d still favor Shibashou for now.

As for scenario 2, the problem is Kanki has to both capture the hills and Seika. Which ain’t happening because worst case scenario Shibashou would commit his whole army to protecting Seika, and then Kanki can say goodbye to that dream lol.

Fair enough then.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

@Lee Ba Shou says Kanki pull a human bridge as present to Shibashou and Kanki is trying to bait Shibashou to leave Kokuyou and going to Seika, do you think Shibashou himself would ditch Kokuyou Hills to save Seika or he would only sent some of his vassals back like maybe Kansaro and Jiaga or Gakushou and Jyoukaryuu and Shiba would still resume battle in Kokuyou, do you still think Seika wins with only about half their forces or Kanki will win this time?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Lee Ba Shou says Kanki pull a human bridge as present to Shibashou and Kanki is trying to bait Shibashou to leave Kokuyou and going to Seika, do you think Shibashou himself would ditch Kokuyou Hills to save Seika or he would only sent some of his vassals back like maybe Kansaro and Jiaga or Gakushou and Jyoukaryuu and Shiba would still resume battle in Kokuyou, do you still think Seika wins with only about half their forces or Kanki will win this time?

Nah he would straight up abandon KokuYou and bring his entire army back to Seika. Lol

If the goal for Kanki in scenario 2 was just to capture KokuYou hills and not capture both KokuYou Hills and Seika, I would say Kanki wins all 5 rounds.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Nah he would straight up abandon KokuYou and bring his entire army back to Seika. Lol

If the goal for Kanki in scenario 2 was just to capture KokuYou hills and not capture both KokuYou Hills and Seika, I would say Kanki wins all 5 rounds.

Shibashou after seeing the human bridge corpses: "Yeah nah, fuck that shit. We're going back to Seika bois. We'll give them this hills as return gift."