Powers & Abilities Should Haki have been established more during Alabasta?

[Dettles]

With all the Hate Haki gets do you think it should have been established during Alabasta? In Conjunction with Water to defeat Croc?

If Luffy got a similar Flashback to Zoro about learning "being able to Punch anything" from his grandfather, and incorporating that during his final fight with Croc. Would that have been better and given more time to develop Haki prior to the Timeskip?

 

[JoNdule]

Yep

We should have been have basic haki established since paradise
Then advanced haki when marineford comes ,so that Luffy sees the clear difference in power and skills

 

[HA001]

Luffy used his own blood

 

[Salah WG]

Haki isn't just a Power System, it's a Model for entire Story & Lore
Have you seen what Vegapunk said about Holograms? They look Real but you need Special Gloves to Interact with them

One Piece World is basically Dream Land and Haki is like it's Special Gloves & more
CoA represents Ability to Interact with Dream World, CoO represents Ability to Sense this Dream World
That's why every Living Being have them both, it's what allows them to exist in such Fantasy (Matrix-Like World)

As for CoC, it represents Ability to Rule this Matrix, it's like every CoC User is a Candidate to become "The Dreamer".
And from each Haki comes Techniques that each represent something

They can represent certain Tools, certain Characters, certain Kingdoms, certain Fates ... etc
You think it's coincidence that there is a Haki Technique called Future Sight & Luffy have a Crewmember who Predicts Future with Lies?
Or a Haki Technique that grants you Invisible Barrier & suddenly Sanji gets an Invisible Suit of Armor?

Only when you fully understand Haki System can you truly piece together everything & understand every single Story, Lore & Mystery
Hence why it's called "One Piece"

So if Readers keep looking at Haki as just a Power System then ofc you will be annoyed by how long it took to be Introduced & still not well explained, but when you understand that it's literally Energy that shapes OP World, it's like Oda's Ink itself, you will realize why He avoids explaining more than needed, otherwise Fans would spoil the Ending

Just like Shanks represents Oda in Story, his Overwhelming Haki is like Oda's Ink which He draws with
It's just that the World is being shaped by someone else, only Character who never Sleeps cuz this World is his own Version of the Dream
It's none other than Blackbeard

So once Wano Arc Ended, Author asked you a question, who will Rule the World, who is this Story's Ultimate MC
Is it Oda's Representative Shanks or is it Current Dreamer Blackbeard or is it Luffy who we are following from Start or is it The Clown who is actually the Narrator

Haki shapes this World & Current Four Yonko are fighting to become it's Maker

 

[Cruxroux]

With all the Hate Haki gets do you think it should have been established during Alabasta? In Conjunction with Water to defeat Croc?

If Luffy got a similar Flashback to Zoro about learning "being able to Punch anything" from his grandfather, and incorporating that during his final fight with Croc. Would that have been better and given more time to develop Haki prior to the Timeskip?

Even if at that point Luffy knew haki , assuming It isn't on the level he has now. He would have lost.
Crocodile probably fought someone with haki already.
Water/Blood was totally unexpected.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Haki just isn’t really a power system. It was created solely to make odas life easier. Rather than actually planning fights where opponents need to learn the opponents powers and have to counter them… haki does it. It’s a poorly written plot tool, at best.

 

[Tai long]

Haki just isn’t really a power system. It was created solely to make odas life easier. Rather than actually planning fights where opponents need to learn the opponents powers and have to counter them… haki does it. It’s a poorly written plot tool, at best.

It is necessary or do you expect logia to make a random nobody, the strongest in the world

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It is necessary or do you expect logia to make a random nobody, the strongest in the world

Do I expect the strongest breed of devil fruit to make people incredibly strong?

Yes. Yes I do. Oda could just force people to fight logias creatively. But oda doesn’t want to think creative anyways.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

With all the Hate Haki gets do you think it should have been established during Alabasta? In Conjunction with Water to defeat Croc?

If Luffy got a similar Flashback to Zoro about learning "being able to Punch anything" from his grandfather, and incorporating that during his final fight with Croc. Would that have been better and given more time to develop Haki prior to the Timeskip?

It was established in alabasta. Luffy grabs crocodile by the collar and crocodile goes "impossible! ...he can't be...!" And then gets relieved when he realizes it's just water. That was a scene of crocodile panicking because he thought Luffy had haki.

Then crocodile gets his dreams back in a cover story and he's got haki again in marineford, which is why he can attack lava with sand and not melt into glass

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It is necessary or do you expect logia to make a random nobody, the strongest in the world

He's just another guy with shitty ideas who goes "it's lazy bad writing" and is so lazy and bad himself that he can't think of anything to replace it, and if he does, it's going to be embarrassingly bad.

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Even if at that point Luffy knew haki , assuming It isn't on the level he has now. He would have lost.
Crocodile probably fought someone with haki already.
Water/Blood was totally unexpected.

Crocodile didn't really give a shit about the water or blood and considered it a gimmick that Luffy still wouldn't be able to win with. He was shocked when he thought Luffy had haki, he wasn't shocked about the water.

 

[Dettles]

Do I expect the strongest breed of devil fruit to make people incredibly strong?

Yes. Yes I do. Oda could just force people to fight logias creatively. But oda doesn’t want to think creative anyways.

It's not like there aren't creative fights, the entire Impel Downs had some of the most creative fights in the series with multiple Devil Fruit users. But there also needs to be ways to counter some Devil Fruits. Like Water for Sand, or Salt with Zombies/Shadows. But something like Smoke how do you counter that in a fight?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's not like there aren't creative fights, the entire Impel Downs had some of the most creative fights in the series with multiple Devil Fruit users. But there also needs to be ways to counter some Devil Fruits. Like Water for Sand, or Salt with Zombies/Shadows. But something like Smoke how do you counter that in a fight?

Yeah it’s no secret that OP Fights before haki were better. Impel down, Alabasta, Ennies Lobby to name a few.

And what would counter smoke? Wind. Logia counters are simply, “What would make this element a different natural element.”
- Freezing Magma makes it rock so cold counters magma.
- Melting ice makes it water so heat counters ice
- Water clumps sand and makes it mud so water counters sand
- Wind dissipates smoke and makes it air so wind counters smoke

Just stuff like that. And with luffys body, it would make luffy fighting and beating logias completely viable.

Haki really is just a plot device oda made to make the combat easier. Rather than thinking through the fights hunter x hunter or he’ll even FMAB style, oda decided to go the Dragonball route which made the fighting in the manga much less enjoyable

 

[Tai long]

Do I expect the strongest breed of devil fruit to make people incredibly strong?

Yes. Yes I do. Oda could just force people to fight logias creatively. But oda doesn’t want to think creative anyways.

so how would eos luffy defeat the admirals

 

[Sir Yasheen]

so how would eos luffy defeat the admirals

By using his awakening which gives him “ultimate freedom” to find and exploit their weaknesses.

He’s already shown to being able to create lightning and fire fists afterall.

 

[Tai long]

By using his awakening which gives him “ultimate freedom” to find and exploit their weaknesses.

He’s already shown to being able to create lightning and fire fists afterall.

I am talking about gomu gomu fluffy not retconned nika. and outside fluffy how would roger defeat the admirals?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I am talking about gomu gomu fluffy not retconned nika. and outside fluffy how would roger defeat the admirals?

Nika was likely always the plan. It’s the only one of luffys powers that actually makes sense with his character.

 

[Tai long]

Nika was likely always the plan. It’s the only one of luffys powers that actually makes sense with his character.

forget fluffy, how would roger defeat the admirals.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

forget fluffy, how would roger defeat the admirals.

hes so bad at reading he cant even read your posts

 

[Sir Yasheen]

forget fluffy, how would roger defeat the admirals.

Yeah because it’s not like Roger didn’t defeat a fleet with a weather phenomenon… or you think Roger is so stupid he wouldn’t figure out ways to win.

Honestly the only haki that should exist is CoC. Even CoC coating is fine because it’s actually meaningful but CoO is maybe the most inconsistent power and CoA is just as bad.

 

[Tai long]

Yeah because it’s not like Roger didn’t defeat a fleet with a weather phenomenon… or you think Roger is so stupid he wouldn’t figure out ways to win.

Honestly the only haki that should exist is CoC. Even CoC coating is fine because it’s actually meaningful but CoO is maybe the most inconsistent power and CoA is just as bad.

explain how oda can write/draw roger defeating a logia user.

 

[BleakAsh]

"being able to Punch anything"

punching Vivi was his BREATH OF ALL THINGS moment