General & Others Teamwork between our rooftop 5 and possible team attacks/combinations and how teamwork can aid the effort

#1
You know the more I look back at the previous chapters the more I feel like the issue with this fight is right in our faces, whilst we’re getting moments for our dudes on the roof, I was saying before chapter 1002 when people were saying that they’re gonna land hits on Kaido and I agreed like I mentioned that Kid, Law, Zoro and Killer would be landing hits and making moves too, I mean we haven’t see what everyone is capable of yet but I was saying “Even if they do land hits on Kaido, there’s another Yonko right there just looking at them” I mentioned how Big Mom wasn’t just going to stand still. Kaido and Big Mom are realising that these 5 aren’t as weak as the assumed but Kaido and Big Mom don’t even seem serious, I mean the major issue stands that they’re firing shots at a Yonko and leaving themselves wide open for another to attack. I mean everyone getting hit was evidence enough of this. Big Mom and Kaido have worked together, fought together, fought against each other and so on.

I feel the major issue here is that these 5 as a group aren’t used to working as a team, I mean yeah Luffy and Zoro have fought together and Law and Luffy, but there isn’t really a true essence of team work going on. Yeah they’re making use of Law’s ability but not enough. It would be cool if we get a 2v1 on each Yonko, which Law in the back providing supporting fire as his devil fruit can easily allow him to make use of the battlefield and use long range attacks. Splitting them up makes more sense that going all in for one the way they are now.

The pairing would be obvious, so Luffy:Zoro and Kid:Killer, but Oda usually does things in ways we least expect so it would be cool to see other tag teams present, I mean Zoro and Killer both going for Kaido at the start was something we were definitely going to see, and I was hoping for it, like the two of them fought before and now they’re teaming up like it was really cool to see. But I wouldn’t mind seeing some more interactions and team plays from let’s say Luffy and Killer or Kid and Zoro. The only issues is that of course the captain and vice captain teams we know already have knowledge of each other’s abilities and skills so of course it would make sense to pair up with who you’re more comfortable with. But it would be interesting to see different/unexpected pairs teaming up. Like examples the past of team attacks/ team combinations / team duos that were new, fresh, impromptu and cool to see were:

Luffy and Chopper: Heavy Stamp
Luffy and Buggy team combo against blugori
The SH group 600,000,000 belly jackpot
Frankly and Chopper Super Frapper Gong (one of my personal favourites).
Luffy in the candle champion armour.

I mean these were just a few of them that I could remember from the top of my head. I’m sure others could enlighten and remind me of the rest of combinations / team attacks we had in the past.

Like for example Kid and Zoro could also be an interesting duo seeing as the basis of Kids devil fruit allows him to manipulate metal. We’ve seen Kid pull himself over the sea to an enemy boat using his powers, this could be of useful in some way. Like imagine just before Zoro was hit by Big Mom, Kid moves him out of the way by moving his swords as he wasn’t able to dodge in the air. Like that could have been a cool little scene but also could have really helped. You know, it was cool seeing Luffy save Killer, imagine we have Kid save or help Zoro.

We know Luffy has always been a sucker for mech, technology, armour and such. Imagine Kid and Luffy working together instead of competing and Kid wraps Luffys limbs in metal and thus allowing Luffy to enhance his hits. I mean I’m still waiting for Kid to coat his metal limb in haki and deliver a punch with it coated but Luffy doing it is the next best thing and it would look epic.

Like with Law here we could have attacks such as their shambles red hawk but with all types of new, stronger and better attacks and thus allowing us to see more combo attacks, doesn’t even have to be just duo attacks.


What are you guys thoughts and this as a whole?

What potential team ups / team attacks would you like to see?

What are your thoughts on the teamwork that’s taking place so far and how can it be improved?



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#3
They better off splitting into teams and splitting the yonko up.
Exactly one of my points, I agree. It just seems more beneficial that them attacking the way they currently are. I mean depending on how they faired after the Big Moms attack if they suddenly change their target to her and then the same shit goes down where Kaido hits them whilst they attack her, it’s just gonna be an endless cycle until our boys run out of stamina, haki and such.
 

Finalbeta

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#4
Luffy will probably take on Big Mom soon enough like I predicted.

Zoro and Kidd have personal matters with Kaido so they will not switch their goal.

Law will assist against both, I imagine Killer could prominently focus on Kaido too.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#5
Exactly one of my points, I agree. It just seems more beneficial that them attacking the way they currently are. I mean depending on how they faired after the Big Moms attack if they suddenly change their target to her and then the same shit goes down where Kaido hits them whilst they attack her, it’s just gonna be an endless cycle until our boys run out of stamina, haki and such.
Imo splitting up depends on kidd.
He really needs to show out. If he lives up to the hype id stick to the people who know each other
Luffy zoro vs kaido
Kidd killer vs big mom
Stick law on whatever side needs him more.
 
#6
Imo splitting up depends on kidd.
He really needs to show out. If he lives up to the hype id stick to the people who know each other
Luffy zoro vs kaido
Kidd killer vs big mom
Stick law on whatever side needs him more.
Yeah that’s why I mentioned the “obvious” matchups because they’re more comfortable with each other, also Kid is that hot headed asshole type like our main man Vegeta you know but in the end he puts his pride aside and works with Goku that kinda shit lol.
I wouldn’t mind Kid having a developing moment up here like, yeah he wants to be great but he needs to realise that their goals can only be achieved by working together. Teamwork is key in a battle like this.
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Luffy will probably take on Big Mom soon enough like I predicted.

Zoro and Kidd have personal matters with Kaido so they will not switch their goal.

Law will assist against both, I imagine Killer could prominently focus on Kaido too.
Yah I’m hoping to see some Luffy against Big Mom content:
Hyped in fishman island
Teased in WCI
Its time to throw hands in Wano.

I mean Luffy v Big Mom and then Zoro Kid and Killer v Kaido can work but might as well give Luffy a buddy too you know every little helps haha
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#9
YeYah I’m hoping to see some Luffy against Big Mom content:
Hyped in fishman island
Teased in WCI
Its time to throw hands in Wano.

I mean Luffy v Big Mom and then Zoro Kid and Killer v Kaido can work but might as well give Luffy a buddy too you know every little helps haha
Well yes this remains a 5 v 2 so we can't ascertain the groups will be split more than just momentarily. It's bound to occur nevertheless.
 
#10
I think we need Usopp on that rooftop to help against Kaido. Now that we know for a fact that rocks and dust can counter his durability, i figured Law and Usopp (from range) can throw some combination coupled with a few slams thanks to Kidd (close range). And he tried to fly away or take an hostage, a bored Zoro can then proceed to cut him in half.

Luffy and Zoro fight Big Mom, Zoro can block Prometheus and her sword while Luffy blocks Zeus and her CQC.
 
#13
- Law + Zoro is dope. Extreme agility (teleport) + absurd attack power.
- Luffy + Zoro are always fun to watch
- Luffy + Killer also seem to have good dynamic
 

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#14
You know the more I look back at the previous chapters the more I feel like the issue with this fight is right in our faces, whilst we’re getting moments for our dudes on the roof, I was saying before chapter 1002 when people were saying that they’re gonna land hits on Kaido and I agreed like I mentioned that Kid, Law, Zoro and Killer would be landing hits and making moves too, I mean we haven’t see what everyone is capable of yet but I was saying “Even if they do land hits on Kaido, there’s another Yonko right there just looking at them” I mentioned how Big Mom wasn’t just going to stand still. Kaido and Big Mom are realising that these 5 aren’t as weak as the assumed but Kaido and Big Mom don’t even seem serious, I mean the major issue stands that they’re firing shots at a Yonko and leaving themselves wide open for another to attack. I mean everyone getting hit was evidence enough of this. Big Mom and Kaido have worked together, fought together, fought against each other and so on.

I feel the major issue here is that these 5 as a group aren’t used to working as a team, I mean yeah Luffy and Zoro have fought together and Law and Luffy, but there isn’t really a true essence of team work going on. Yeah they’re making use of Law’s ability but not enough. It would be cool if we get a 2v1 on each Yonko, which Law in the back providing supporting fire as his devil fruit can easily allow him to make use of the battlefield and use long range attacks. Splitting them up makes more sense that going all in for one the way they are now.

The pairing would be obvious, so Luffy:Zoro and Kid:Killer, but Oda usually does things in ways we least expect so it would be cool to see other tag teams present, I mean Zoro and Killer both going for Kaido at the start was something we were definitely going to see, and I was hoping for it, like the two of them fought before and now they’re teaming up like it was really cool to see. But I wouldn’t mind seeing some more interactions and team plays from let’s say Luffy and Killer or Kid and Zoro. The only issues is that of course the captain and vice captain teams we know already have knowledge of each other’s abilities and skills so of course it would make sense to pair up with who you’re more comfortable with. But it would be interesting to see different/unexpected pairs teaming up. Like examples the past of team attacks/ team combinations / team duos that were new, fresh, impromptu and cool to see were:

Luffy and Chopper: Heavy Stamp
Luffy and Buggy team combo against blugori
The SH group 600,000,000 belly jackpot
Frankly and Chopper Super Frapper Gong (one of my personal favourites).
Luffy in the candle champion armour.

I mean these were just a few of them that I could remember from the top of my head. I’m sure others could enlighten and remind me of the rest of combinations / team attacks we had in the past.

Like for example Kid and Zoro could also be an interesting duo seeing as the basis of Kids devil fruit allows him to manipulate metal. We’ve seen Kid pull himself over the sea to an enemy boat using his powers, this could be of useful in some way. Like imagine just before Zoro was hit by Big Mom, Kid moves him out of the way by moving his swords as he wasn’t able to dodge in the air. Like that could have been a cool little scene but also could have really helped. You know, it was cool seeing Luffy save Killer, imagine we have Kid save or help Zoro.

We know Luffy has always been a sucker for mech, technology, armour and such. Imagine Kid and Luffy working together instead of competing and Kid wraps Luffys limbs in metal and thus allowing Luffy to enhance his hits. I mean I’m still waiting for Kid to coat his metal limb in haki and deliver a punch with it coated but Luffy doing it is the next best thing and it would look epic.

Like with Law here we could have attacks such as their shambles red hawk but with all types of new, stronger and better attacks and thus allowing us to see more combo attacks, doesn’t even have to be just duo attacks.


What are you guys thoughts and this as a whole?

What potential team ups / team attacks would you like to see?

What are your thoughts on the teamwork that’s taking place so far and how can it be improved?



I’ve never posted a thread in my life so any pointers and stuff would be appreciated

(I know it’s a bit all over the place, my bad lol but I’m typing on my phone whilst playing PS4 haha, also I would add images but cropping and moving things around on an iPhone is an absolute pain in the ass so I’ll get round to doing that and tidying up later on just wanted to get it all out whilst I had the time haha)
Zoro could prepare ISDS and make to strike a rock or something and Law the swaps the rock and Dragon!Kaido. It would allow them to properly utilise Zoro's uber high attack power, while overcoming the concerns about the time Zoro needs to prepare his attack and Kaido's attempts to dodge it.

If Big Mom is about to strike Luffy with Napoleon, Law could shamble Zoro directly into a parry for that attack.

Kidd can probably neutralise Mama's lightning by acting as a lightning rod, and may even be able to use it to power up his suit. Law should shambles Kidd into the way of lightning attacks.

Luffy can also block Mama's lightning and can either take the initiative to intercept her attacks himself, or Law helps out.

If Zoro learns to cut lightning, he could be used as well.

Law can shamble others out of the way of attacks.


Basically, Law's greatest contribution would be efficient and well placed use of his shambles. Providing Zoro with greatly enhanced mobility would be amazing:
  • Zoro can neutralise most attacks from the Yonkou:
    • Kaido's Boro Breath
    • Mama's Heavenly Fire (and other Prometheus attacks)
    • Probably Ikkoku Sovereignty (and other Napoleon attacks)
    • Kaido's Demolition Gust
    • He may learn to cut lightning further boosting his defensive arsenal
  • Zoro has by far the greatest offensive prowess (combination of attack power and lethality) on his team.
    • Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, it would have done more damage than all other attacks Kaido took during the raid.
    • Zoro has several attacks even stronger than Hiryuu Kaen.

Efficiently leveraging Zoro's skill set is the best way for Law to contribute to this battle. He should completely abandon his plans for direct attacks (his Gamma Knife was inconsequential), and focusing on maximising the mobility advantage his teleportation provides.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#15
I kinda want to see the upgraded version of Luffy and Zoro's combo attack where they blasted through a huge wave on top of the train to Enies Lobby.
Combo will become very relevant soon enough. Probably will be used to make sure characters spare their energies instead of needing to go all out in order to consistently damage the all out yonko by themselves.
 
#16
I prefer it as it is, a complete mess and chaos of battle royal
But
They need to start attacking Big Mom too, not just Kaido
Both have same ability of tough skin, but difference is Kaido's Mythical Zoan probably allows him to recover and heal faster than Big Mom who has paramecia

Thus, it would be good for them to strike Big Mom too, cause she can be weakened faster than Kaido (just a speculation, but a logical one for the DF types)

Right now their problem is that they are not attacking Big Mom, while she's not watching, she's heavily involved and is attacking them.

Kaido will take longer time to affect him because of his Mythical Zoan recovery, unlike BM... that's my opinion
 
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