Theory The "Greatest" Lore Theory Ever - The Creators Of The One Piece World [Ch. 1130+]

Rej

Holy Simp
#1


Hello, welcome to a new one dear reader. I never thought I would be doing this, but the current Elbaph arc and some discussions with the broz enabled me to write another one.
After checking out Dak's Sake's new Loki theory HERE (feel free to watch it after reading my theory), and seeing him mention the connections between Odin and Hajrudin, I got some good brainstorm going. Shout outs!

My good homie Den Den Kushi (check out his Youtube channel HERE) has brought some good points into this theory, that I will use.
Be on the lookout for his upcomming videos, as we may share some points together. So shout outs there too!

I want to bring this theory to the community and I hope to see alot of other interpretations and more finds on this in future, from all the different kinds of great minds in the One Piece community. Because without them this would not be possible.

So without further ado, let's work this out!

Elbaph - A Deep Connection To Alabasta
With the start of the Elbaph arc unfolding and with the recent reveals surrounding Loki, Road and Hajrudin, we can most likely assume that these characters will be prominently tied to the plot of the rulers of Elbaph. I mean that Loki is the cursed Prince of Elbaph, Hajrudin wants to become the King of Elbaph and could possibly be another "Prince of Elbaph". There might be a conflict brewing. Loki has clearly references with the Norse Mythology counterpart of the real world and something similair can be expected with Hajrudin. Hajrudin (HajrOdin) could really be painted after Odin from the Norse Mythology and this can be relevant in his conquest to become King of Elbaph (King of all Giants).

"The King of all Giants"
Hajrudin probably has the right drive for this dream of his, and with Luffy his stereotypical shounen-protagonist ally to fullfil this dream.
Noteable here is how Hajrudin's name can be tied to Odin.
I then got reminded that we heard a name with a familiar pattern in back then in the Albasta Saga. This is where everything starts to become spicy an insane:

"The Great Hero of Oltea, Mamudin"
I am very intrigued by this namedrop, especially with the current knowledge of the story. I think Mamudin was a real character in the One Piece story, that Oda might intend to reuse for the greater lore.

The first question arises: Could Mamudin really be a giant from the past who helped the ancient Alabasta in possibly dire times? We have seen the signs of giant existence across multiple important islands, throughout the story, and it often tied to older lore of the world of One Piece. I think this could very well be the case with Mamudin and Alabasta as to why my next point is important - Elbaph will also be a Vivi arc.

I have said this for a couple of years now, the moment we all possibly knew that Wano is not the arc where Vivi would return and when we did not knew where the next arc would lead us to. All hints currently are pointing towards Vivi's soon to be - involvement into the series. We have an Alabasta Crew splittup + the recent X mark on Luffy's arm on the new headpicture in Morgan's newspaper.

I think Vivi will, throughout the Elbaph arc, learn about the history that connects Alabasta to the World, especially Elbaph! And she very well might become a good guide for Hajrudin and his conquest to become King!


The Deities and Snakes that connect The World
This might be some more common knowledge, but it will be important for the greater purpose of this theory.
As we all know Snakes have a special meaning in One Piece, they are reoccuring and often portrayed as something like a deity.
The most prominent examples here are for example, the Sea Kings in Fishman Island under Shirahoshi's command. The name "Cobra" of the former King Nefertari Cobra of Alabasta. Kashigami and Nola in Skypiea. And Kaido and Momonosuke in Wano, who also represent serpent-/snakelike beings.

Which brings me to the point that could be relevant for the Elbaph arc:

"Great Serpent soaked in Blood"
Now what could this mean? If Elbaph really is shaped after Yggdrasil of Norse Mythology, then this very Great Serpent could be a reference to Jörmungandr, the World Serpent that encircles the realm of Midgard. A possible reference used to metaphorically summarize the existence of the "Redline" in the world of One Piece - A snake that encircles the World!

I will get back to this in a bit, but I think that One Piece is going into a direction, as where Oda wants to tell us that weaker species of mankind might rely on the help of stronger species of mankind. I noticed this when we constantly see how Elbafians belittle the humans, but still protect them, as in the case of where Dorry and Brogy and co came to rescue the Strawhats from Egghead. We can even find an inversion to this, where the Strawhats were the heroes of the Tontatta Tribe and even rescued them from the terror of Doflamingo in Dressrosa. We can even find a possible foil to this in Mary Geoise, where it is speculated that possible giants were enslaved to build the castle of Mary Geoise, or the castle has been stolen from giants.

Either way, Oda is aiming towards something common with important "greater" beings in the story. As much as Usopp is a hero for the Tontatta's, Mamudin could have been the same for Alabasta as a giant.

To get back at Mamudin, what could this name mean? Mamudin, prominently comes from "Mahmuddin" which stands for "Praiseworthy, deserving of praise, divinely guided".
Mamu could also be another word to describe "Mother" and Din could also be another word to describe "Djinn".
"Mother of Djinns".

Just a side note here: The egyptian gods of our world were descrived to be 8-10 feet tall in size, which is almost twice the size of a regular human!

Now, we have already seen a "Djinn" in the story:

"Daifuku's ability portraying the Djinn, aka The Genie from Aladdin's Magic Lamp"
A Djinn (from Dschinn, arab for Ghost/Demon), a reference on a possessing ghost with deitylike powers, usually possessing a golden object or a body, is something Oda has established in the story. With the reference to arabian mythology, I feel like this could be a hint from Oda that he has not forgotten about the importance of Alabasta's lore and how important it really will become in future. My guess is that some forms of Djinns actually existed in the One Piece world, and they are probably related to Elbaph and their ancient culture.

To be noted: Daifuku's Genie is a skilled user of the Halberd. A very dangerous and high ranged cutting and stabbing weapon. This was letting me think that with the newest reveal of Elbaf, something greater must lie in the bush:

"A Giant Sword is stabbing the World Tree in Elbaf"
What is the deal with the Great Sword in Elbaph? I think with all the discussion we had I will make a risky conclusion to this: There was a huge giant deity that supposedly used owned and used this, or such a sword. Either this sword is a tribute to something from the ancient past, or it is the real deal and belonging to something unexplainable, divine and huge. We have so many clues as in:
- Giant Heroes as in trope of the One Piece story
- Deities wielding weapons
- Djinns
- The reference for the Redline revolving around the World Serpent

What if I give you another interesting clue:

"The Entrance to the Reverse Mountain Waterway"
I noticed that these entrances (the should be 4 of them + 1 exit), look like huge cuts into the Redline. I was wondering how those could come to be...so here is my take on it:
I think that a giant deity once existed in the One Piece world. The smaller folk of mankind were dependent on this very being. The Redline has been created and in order to connect both halfs of the World, this said Giant Deity, has used a giant sword to cut into the Redline. Maybe that giant being attempted to slice/cut the Redline (Giant Serpent Soaked in Blood) but it failed and only managed to succeed with cuts.

Note: X-shaped cuts can be a stereotype, we saw Oden also giving Kaido a X-shaped scar on his body. Zoro was able to reopen said scar. So much emphasis on this.

Btw, where have we seen someone cutting up a mountain in the story? For the first time with some significance?

"Law cutting the Punk Hazard laboratory into two slices"
Even if it was due to some hax ability, it was Trafalgar D. Water Law himself who slice an entire mountain containing a laboratory open. Law, a bearer of the D. with such a significant speech too.

This should just put into dimension how a divine giant being could possibly slice the Redline open.

What is more impressive, is that right now in the story, we might have a proof of this divine's giant being existence, something yet not properly explained in the story:

"Onigashima: The skull itself is towering everything else on the island"
It is the very Onigashima. The Island where the Sun God Nika has reawakened.
The architecure on this island is easily towering the normal humans, as if this was part of an ancient civilization, as if this was a lost part of Elbaf. The skull is then towering the whole architecture in a similair manner to how the giant sword in Elbaf is towering the "realms" of Elbaf, or even the whole island itself, similair to the tree.

Could Onigashima have been the wielder of that giant sword? Food for thought!


The Sun God - Titans, Ymir and More
I am slowly diving into why everything might be related to a potential Sun God. But this one will have alot of unique spins to it, sobear with me!

First and foremost: Whatever lore or myth Oda likes to (re)use from the Real World, if Oda loves it he will embed it in any means into his story. That's why we enter this one here:

"Atlas one of Vegapunk's Satellites"
It is Vegapunk Atlas! Oda using Atlas as a name makes me think that Oda is aware of the name's origin. Tl;dr: Atlas comes from the Greek mythology, a son from one of the 12 titans, primal gods of the Greek mythology. He carried the world on his shoulders through the space. There are many depictions of Atlas, so just check it out for yourself lol.

Oda being possibly aware of this story lets me think that Oda could invert this and reuse it in his own story. Maybe in form of a primal sun god?
A god that took the sun and continously moved it around the One Piece world, bearing it on it's shoulders. Could this relate to the said divine great being that guided the small manfolk possibly in ancient times, could this relate to the Onigashima, the cuts in the Redline and the giant sword in Elbaf? I think we are getting closer to a solid candidate and the possible truth!

Such a god would actually exist in the Real World's Norse mythology:

"Ymir, the First Giant of Norse Mythology"
Ymir from the Norse Mythology, he was said to be the first being to walk the earth, before any of the humans came to be on earth. It would be so poetic if One Piece could have it's own Ymir in their world. A being that outlived anyone else and shaped the world so the smaller men could live on it. Thus "carrying the sun" around the planet.

Plot twist: What if "Ymir" is female?

"Kuma and the One Piece World's bible?"

I also think that Oda would give this Ymir figure an own spin, for once I would like for the idea, for Ymir to be female, similair to Ymir Fritz in Attack on Titan. That would go along with the "Mother Nature", "Mother Sea", "Mother Earth" idea. This would also go along with idea of Mamudin being some kind of "Mother of Djinns". If the One Piece World's Ymir was capable to fulfill the prayers of the smaller beings like a god or like a Djinn, then the whole metaphor makes sense here.

Secondly, with the One Piece World being a world with that much ocean covering it...why not just change the name from Ymir to Umir?
I think Umir could be the name that Oda would have given to this god. Umir, in japanese written as "Umiru" could be read backwards as:

Ur Imu
Your/You're Imu



Conclusion
To summarize: I think there was an massive ancient being on the planet that outlive anyone else for centuries. This being was taking care of all the smaller beings and protecting them so they could thrive, grow and live happily. This is an inspiration to how giants or greater beings can coexist with the smaller ones, with the possibility to make each other accomplished.

I think this ecosystem of preservation has been disturbed by someone and that ancient being, which possibly has been immortal, died in a last attempt to liberate the world from a possible entrapment inside the Redline.

It is possible that Imu took it's place and uses it's privileges to rule over mankind and terrorize it.

Elbaph will be the island where we will learn about that massive ancient being, that possibly could be referenced by Atlas and the TItans and Ymir of Real World greek and norse mythologies respectively. It's name was possibly "Umir/Umiru" and it was the original Sun God, the primordial god of the One Piece World.




Thanks for comming this far Reader...I appreciate it alot and maybe this will become a great fundamental for more lore theories.
Really looking forward to see more different interpretations on this, as I am certain, some of these may come true!
Have a great day and see ya around nakama!


 
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Fujishiro

Just chilling
#2


Hello, welcome to a new one dear reader. I never thought I would be doing this, but the current Elbaph arc and some discussions with the broz enabled me to write another one.
After checking out Dak's Sake's new Loki theory HERE (feel free to watch it after reading my theory), and seeing him mention the connections between Odin and Hajrudin, I got some good brainstorm going. Shout outs!

My good homie Den Den Kushi (check out his Youtube channel HERE) has brought some good points into this theory, that I will use.
Be on the look out for his upcomming videos, as we may share some points together. So shout outs there too!

I want to bring this theory to the community and I hope to see alot of other interpretations and more finds on this in future, from all the different kinds of great minds in the One Piece community. Because without them this would not be possible.

So without further ado, let's work this out!

Elbaf - A Deep Connection To Alabasta
With the start of the Elbaph arc unfolding and with the recent reveals surrounding Loki, Road and Hajrudin, we can most likely assume that these characters will be prominently tied to the plot of the rulers of Elbaph. I mean that Loki is the cursed Prince of Elbaph, Hajrudin wants to become the King of Elbaph and could possibly be another "Prince of Elbaph". There might be a conflict brewing. Loki has clearly references with the Norse Mythology counterpart of the real world and something similair can be expected with Hajrudin. Hajrudin (HajrOdin) could really be painted after Odin from the Norse Mythology and this can be relevant in his conquest to become King of Elbaph (King of all Giants).

"The King of all Giants"
Hajrudin probably has the right drive for this dream of his, and with Luffy his stereotypical shounen-protagonist ally to fullfil this dream.
Noteable here is how Hajrudin's name can be tied to Odin.
I then got reminded that we heard a name with a familiar pattern in back then in the Albasta Saga. This is where everything starts to become spicy an insane:

"The Great Hero of Oltea, Mamudin"
I am very intrigued by this namedrop, especially with the current knowledge of the story. I think Mamudin was a real character in the One Piece story, that Oda might intend to reuse for the greater lore.

The first question arises: Could Mamudin really be a giant from the past who helped the ancient Alabasta in possibly dire times? We have seen the signs of giant existence across multiple important islands, throughout the story, and it often tied to older lore of the world of One Piece. I think this could very well be the case with Mamudin and Alabasta as to why my next point is important - Elbaph will also be a Vivi arc.

I have said this for a couple of years now, the moment we all possibly knew that Wano is not the arc where Vivi would return and when we did not knew where the next arc would lead us to. All hints currently are pointing towards Vivi's soon to be - involvement into the series. We have an Alabasta Crew splittup + the recent X mark on Luffy's arm on the new headpicture in Morgan's newspaper.

I think Vivi will, throughout the Elbaph arc, learn about the history that connects Alabasta to the World, especially Elbaph! And she very well might become a good guide for Hajrudin and his conquest to become King!


The Deities and Snakes that connect The World
This might be some more common knowledge, but it will be important for the greater purpose of this theory.
As we all know Snakes have a special meaning in One Piece, they are reoccuring and often portrayed as something like a deity.
The most prominent examples here are for example, the Sea Kings in Fishman Island under Shirahoshi's command. The name "Cobra" of the former King Nefertari Cobra of Alabasta. Kashigami and Nola in Skypiea. And Kaido and Momonosuke in Wano, who also represent serpent-/snakelike beings.

Which brings me to the point that could be relevant for the Elbaph arc:

"Great Serpent soaked in Blood"
Now what could this mean? If Elbaph really is shaped after Yggdrasil of Norse Mythology, then this very Great Serpent could be a reference to Jörmungandr, the World Serpent that encircles the realm of Midgard. A possible reference used to metaphorically summarize the existence of the "Redline" in the world of One Piece - A snake that encircles the World!

I will get back to this in a bit, but I think that One Piece is going into a direction, as where Oda wants to tell us that weaker species of mankind might rely on the help of stronger species of mankind. I noticed this when we constantly see how Elbafians belittle the humans, but still protect them, as in the case of where Dorry and Brogy and co came to rescue the Strawhats from Egghead. We can even find an inversion to this, where the Strawhats were the heroes of the Tontatta Tribe and even rescued them from the terror of Doflamingo in Dressrosa. We can even find a possible foil to this in Mary Geoise, where it is speculated that possible giants were enslaved to build the castle of Mary Geoise, or the castle has been stolen from giants.

Either way, Oda is aiming towards something common with important "greater" beings in the story. As much as Usopp is a hero for the Tontatta's, Mamudin could have been the same for Alabasta as a giant.

To get back at Mamudin, what could this name mean? Mamudin, prominently comes from "Mahmuddin" which stands for "Praiseworthy, deserving of praise, divinely guided".
Mamu could also be another word to describe "Mother" and Din could also be another word to describe "Djinn".
"Mother of Djinns".

Just a side note here: The egyptian gods of our world were descrived to be 8-10 feet tall in size, which is almost twice the size of a regular human!

Now, we have already seen a "Djinn" in the story:

"Daifuku's ability portraying the Djinn, aka The Genie from Aladdin's Magic Lamp"
A Djinn (from Dschinn, arab for Ghost/Demon), a reference on a possessing ghost with deitylike powers, usually possessing a golden object or a body, is something Oda has established in the story. With the reference to arabian mythology, I feel like this could be a hint from Oda that he has not forgotten about the importance of Alabasta's lore and how important it really will become in future. My guess is that some forms of Djinns actually existed in the One Piece world, and they are probably related to Elbaph and their ancient culture.

To be noted: Daifuku's Genie is a skilled user of the Halberd. A very dangerous and high ranged cutting and stabbing weapon. This was letting me think that with the newest reveal of Elbaf, something greater must lie in the bush:

"A Giant Sword is stabbing the World Tree in Elbaf"
What is the deal with the Great Sword in Elbaph? I think with all the discussion we had I will make a risky conclusion to this: There was a huge giant deity that supposedly used owned and used this, or such a sword. Either this sword is a tribute to something from the ancient past, or it is the real deal and belonging to something unexplainable, divine and huge. We have so many clues as in:
- Giant Heroes as in trope of the One Piece story
- Deities wielding weapons
- Djinns
- The reference for the Redline revolving around the World Serpent

What if I give you another interesting clue:

"The Entrance to the Reverse Mountain Waterway"
I noticed that these entrances (the should be 4 of them + 1 exit), look like huge cuts into the Redline. I was wondering how those could come to be...so here is my take on it:
I think that a giant deity once existed in the One Piece world. The smaller folk of mankind were dependent on this very being. The Redline has been created and in order to connect both halfs of the World, this said Giant Deity, has used a giant sword to cut into the Redline. Maybe that giant being attempted to slice/cut the Redline (Giant Serpent Soaked in Blood) but it failed and only managed to succeed with cuts.

Note: X-shaped cuts can be a stereotype, we saw Oden also giving Kaido a X-shaped scar on his body. Zoro was able to reopen said scar. So much emphasis on this.

Btw, where have we seen someone cutting up a mountain in the story? For the first time with some significance?

"Law cutting the Punk Hazard laboratory into two slices"
Even if it was due to some hax ability, it was Trafalgar D. Water Law himself who slice an entire mountain containing a laboratory open. Law, a bearer of the D. with such a significant speech too.

This should just put into dimension how a divine giant being could possibly slice the Redline open.

What is more impressive, is that right now in the story, we might have a proof of this divine's giant being existence, something yet not properly explained in the story:

"Onigashima: The skull itself is towering everything else on the island"
It is the very Onigashima. The Island where the Sun God Nika has reawakened.
The architecure on this island is easily towering the normal humans, as if this was part of an ancient civilization, as if this was a lost part of Elbaf. The skull is then towering the whole architecture in a similair manner to how the giant sword in Elbaf is towering the "realms" of Elbaf, or even the whole island itself, similair to the tree.

Could Onigashima have been the wielder of that giant sword? Food for thought!


The Sun God - Titans, Ymir and More
I am slowly diving into why everything might be related to a potential Sun God. But this one will have alot of unique spins to it, sobear with me!

First and foremost: Whatever lore or myth Oda likes to (re)use from the Real World, if Oda loves it he will embed it in any means into his story. That's why we enter this one here:

"Atlas one of Vegapunk's Satellites"
It is Vegapunk Atlas! Oda using Atlas as a name makes me think that Oda is aware of the name's origin. Tl;dr: Atlas comes from the Greek mythology, a son from one of the 12 titans, primal gods of the Greek mythology. He carried the world on his shoulders through the space. There are many depictions of Atlas, so just check it out for yourself lol.

Oda being possibly aware of this story let's me think that Oda could invert this and reuse it in his own story. Maybe in form of a primal sun god?
A god that took the sun and continously moved it around the One Piece world, bearing it on it's shoulders. Could this relate to the said divine great being that guided the small manfolk possibly in ancient times, could this relate to the Onigashima, the cuts in the Redline and the giant sword in Elbaf? I think we are getting closer to a solid candidate and the possible truth!

Such a god would actually exist in the Real World's Norse mythology:

"Ymir, the First Giant of Norse Mythology"
Ymir from the Norse Mythology, he was said to be the first being to walk the earth, before any of the humans came to be on earth. It would be so poetic if One Piece could have it's own Ymir in their world. A being that outlived anyone else and shaped the world so the smaller men could live on it. Thus "carrying the sun" around the planet.

Plot twist: What if "Ymir" is female?

"Kuma and the One Piece World's bible?"

I also think that Oda would give this Ymir figure an own spin, for once I would like for the idea, for Ymir to be female, similair to Ymir Fritz in Attack on Titan. That would go along with the "Mother Nature", "Mother Sea", "Mother Earth" idea. This would also go along with idea of Mamudin being some kind of "Mother of Djinns". If the One Piece World's Ymir was capable to fulfill the prayers of the smaller beings like a god or like a Djinn, then the whole metaphor makes sense here.

Secondly, with the One Piece World being a world with that much ocean covering it...why not just change the name from Ymir to Umir?
I think Umir could be the name that Oda would have given to this god. Umir, in japanese written as "Umiru" could be read backwards as:

Ur Imu
Your/You're Imu



Conclusion
To summarize: I think there was an massive ancient being on the planet that outlive anyone else for centuries. This being was taking care of all the smaller beings and protecting them so they could thrive, grow and life happily. This is an inspiration to how giants or greater beings can coexist with the smaller ones, with the possibility to make each other accomplished.

I think this ecosystem of preservation has been disturbed by someone and that ancient being, which possibly has been immortal, died in a last attempt to liberate the world from a possible entrapment inside the Redline.

It is possible that Imu took it's place and uses it's privileges to rule over mankind and terrorize it.

Elbaph will be the island where we will learn about that massive ancient being, that possibly could be referenced by Atlas and the TItans and Ymir of Real World greek and norse mythologies respectively. It's name was possibly "Umir/Umiru" and it was the original Sun God, the primordial god of the One Piece World.




Thanks for comming this far Reader...I appreciate it alot and maybe this will become a great fundamental for more lore theories.
Really looking forward to see more different interpretations on this, as I am certain, some of these may come true!
Have a great day and see ya around nakama!


I didnt read yet but I will later, this seems like it required a lot of thoughts and effort lol.
 
#6
What caught my attention is this: In his speech, Vegapunk said that the war that ended the ancient kingdom and led to the void century is still ongoing. Is Elbaf where this war started?

The figure on the cover looks like Vivi in Skypiean clothing, and there is a (sky people?) wing in each corner.

So yes, I also believe that Alabasta and Elbaf are connected, but also Wano amd fishman Island aka every island home to a special race of humans and/or a poneglyph. The snake and sun gods must be derived from a shared ancient mythology.

All in all your theory is amazing and i love how Oda connects different real world cultures to create something new(kinda like in Avatar)
 

Rej

Holy Simp
#8
What caught my attention is this:
In his speech, Vegapunk said that the war that ended the ancient kingdom and led to the void century is still ongoing. Is Elbaf where this war started?


The figure on the cover looks like Vivi in Skypiean clothing, and there is a (sky people?) wing in each corner.

So yes, I also believe that Alabasta and Elbaf are connected, but also Wano amd fishman Island aka every island home to a special race of humans and/or a poneglyph. The snake and sun gods must be derived from a shared ancient mythology.

All in all your theory is amazing and i love how Oda connects different real world cultures to create something new(kinda like in Avatar)
thanks!
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From a theorist named Growth D. Stonks. Very cool dude.
 
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