General & Others Timeskip and trainning

[Herrera95]

I'm opening this thread to talk about the relevancy of One Piece 2 years timeskip and trainning and how it was badly replicated later on.

So back at Water 7, actually before it, we have Strawhats first impossible fight against Aokiji. For being a logia only Zoro could harm Aokiji using haki, not knowing that Luffy wanted a 1v1 fight which he was humiliated by Aokiji.
Later on at Sabaody we also have another Admiral humiliating not only Strawhats but Supernovas too. Even that Zoro knows haki he doesn't know it can be used to hurt Logias. Not that it would be enough to even handle Kizaru.
Then at Impel Down we have Luffy losing to Magellan and later on running away from him. At Marineford he couldn't do shit against Admirals too.
We have the perfect build up for a timeskip based on tranning. Strawhats are too weak compared to top tier fighters. So nice, they trainned. Monster Trio learned haki so they are now able to handle any logia. They're pre-timeskip boosts doesn't have any drawback anymore. Luffy has a new gear, new moves etc. They are trained to be on top tier level and they succeeded.

Except not, WCI and Luffy can't do shit against Commanders and even less a Yonko. Wano and this guy is being one-shotted in his strongest form. Sanji at WCI also had trouble fighting veterans. I mean back at Dressrosa both Zoro and Luffy showed that they are capable to fight an Admiral, none went full all out against Fujitora(Zoro just clashed and Luffy had a longer clash) but they were pretty decent. There is no problem showing that they are not top tiers yet but at least Oda could have used Fujiora to show that.
Then at Wano we have Luffy trainning in Udon for 2 weeks to learn a technique that will improve his attack but not his defense so he will be able to hurt Kaido and gets one-shotted again. Sanji trains because he was almost useless at WCI and also have a power up(aka Raid Suit). Zoro trains because he is always trainning but he gets Enma because Luffy has shiny. I mean Zoro didn't struggled at all during New World except against Fujitora. Where is the build up for his trainning? I would be perfectly fine if he had trouble against Monet, Pica, Hawkins, Killer. But no, Zoro only struggled against Kaido and then King while being nerfed with Enma.

The difference of both build up and result of 2 years timeskip and 2 week timeskip is huge. Oda did great back then and terrible recently.
Some people asking if we will ever had another timeskip. For those people I ask you why? What is the need for a timeskip? They are solid Yonko Crew. Oda already showed that a bunch of bullshit can pull out of his ass during fights. There is no need to have boring trainning chapters or even panels if you gonna pull any shit out of your mind during a fight.

 

[Dettles]

I actually liked a lot of things about the Oden training for Luffy. It felt like Luffy was already about 70% on his way to Obtaining Advanced CoA, and the training was to get that last 30%. With a bit of a boost to his strength.
But the super fast training is not anything new or exclusive to One Piece. Naruto, DBZ, Black Clover, Bleach all have done it, and done it way worse then One Piece.

 

[Herrera95]

I actually liked a lot of things about the Oden training for Luffy. It felt like Luffy was already about 70% on his way to Obtaining Advanced CoA, and the training was to get that last 30%. With a bit of a boost to his strength.
But the super fast training is not anything new or exclusive to One Piece. Naruto, DBZ, Black Clover, Bleach all have done it, and done it way worse then One Piece.

I'm not talking about super fast trainning. Ennies Lobby everybody came up with new abilities and it was completely fine. The problem is the whole narrative. Post-timeskip Strawhats were suppose to be near top level at least not that huge cap that was shown. If G4 Luffy gets one-shotted by Kaido that means that pre-timeskip Luffy is instantly dying to it?

I'm talking about build up too. What are your examples of all those animes? First of all DBZ is the one you shouldn't even have mentioned. The whole anime is about trainning and fighting. We see characters only doing that the whole time. Nothing is done bad at DBZ.

Naruto... Where is the problem with trainning in Naruto? As far I know until Pain Arc it was done perfect not sure after that.

Bleach I'm up with anime. Also everything done perfect. Only Ichigo defeating Kenpachi without a Bankai was bad.

Black Clover perfect trainning too. Build up and everything.

None of those animes we have a character trainning/getting a power up(not even that for Zoro actually) without a build up that this is necessary. None of those animes we have main characters getting one-shotted and winning the villain after 2 weeks.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

So basically, 2 years timeskip was a waste of time I guess?

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Luffy Zoro and Sanji were supposed to be superhumans before timeskip even. What they lacked was haki, and that should have put them close to the top. But then you get Luffy not having enough strength to punch Doflamingo which is BS, having trouble punching through biscuit soldiers which is also BS. What made sense is Katakuri due to future sight. Thats a difficult fight since Luffy had to figure something out mid fight. Kaido one shotting him shouldnt have happened. Basically Oda handled their strength level terrible for fake tension sake, which made hia manga inconsistent

 

[Dettles]

I'm not talking about super fast trainning. Ennies Lobby everybody came up with new abilities and it was completely fine. The problem is the whole narrative. Post-timeskip Strawhats were suppose to be near top level at least not that huge cap that was shown. If G4 Luffy gets one-shotted by Kaido that means that pre-timeskip Luffy is instantly dying to it?

I'm talking about build up too. What are your examples of all those animes? First of all DBZ is the one you shouldn't even have mentioned. The whole anime is about trainning and fighting. We see characters only doing that the whole time. Nothing is done bad at DBZ.

Naruto... Where is the problem with trainning in Naruto? As far I know until Pain Arc it was done perfect not sure after that.

Bleach I'm up with anime. Also everything done perfect. Only Ichigo defeating Kenpachi without a Bankai was bad.

Black Clover perfect trainning too. Build up and everything.

None of those animes we have a character trainning/getting a power up(not even that for Zoro actually) without a build up that this is necessary. None of those animes we have main characters getting one-shotted and winning the villain after 2 weeks.

There was definitely build up to Luffy's training in Wano, but it was more gradual, fighting Doflamingo, then Katakuri that pushed him to unlock Advanced CoO. And during his training he was already learning to Advanced CoA through his experiences. The build up was there.

 

[Herrera95]

There was definitely build up to Luffy's training in Wano, but it was more gradual, fighting Doflamingo, then Katakuri that pushed him to unlock Advanced CoO. And during his training he was already learning to Advanced CoA through his experiences. The build up was there.

G4 Luffy humiliated Doflamingo. Where is the build up here?
What was the point of Cracker fight? Luffy won with Nami's help and with a gag.
Luffy didn't used FS to beat Katakuri and Snakeman was still slower than him. Katakuri simply let Luffy ran away.

"During his training he was already learning to Advanced CoA through his experiences." What? He didn't was learning ACoA through experience. He only learned when his collars were about to explode. At least Oda is somewhat consistent about this. Haki blooms during extreme situations.

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So basically, 2 years timeskip was a waste of time I guess?

The way Oda wrote post timeskip it actually was.

First of all initial villains were so weak that would be better have pre-timeskip Luffy struggling to beat them and developing his haki than trainning 2 years to be so strong that he humiliates them but still struggle for the sake of plot.

Second, a lot of Supernova went straight to New World without trainning and succeed. Even Kid that lost an arm by Shanks. If any Yonko is crossing path with Luffy result would be the same after timeskip. Wano Act 1 just proves that.

But if Oda was consistent about Luffy being near top tier out of timeskip than would have made sense those 2 years of trainning.

 

[RYNO]

They are trained to be on top tier level and they succeeded.

When was ever been a thing that the monster trio trained to be top tier, they trained to get as strong as they could in those 2 years.

I mean back at Dressrosa both Zoro and Luffy showed that they are capable to fight an Admiral, none went full all out against Fujitora(Zoro just clashed and Luffy had a longer clash) but they were pretty decent. There is no problem showing that they are not top tiers yet but at least Oda could have used Fujiora to show that.

The "long clash" wasn't really fuji going all out because he didn't really use any of strong df attack and when he got angry easily pushed back.

Post-timeskip Strawhats were suppose to be near top level at least not that huge cap that was shown.

You really shouldn't have your or anyone else's head cannon cloud your understanding of the story.

Luffy Zoro and Sanji were supposed to be superhumans before timeskip even.

you know everyone that straw hats have fought even going back to Alvida are superhuman,calling someone a superhuman in one piece is like saying physicaly fit adult in real life a norm.

But then you get Luffy not having enough strength to punch Doflamingo which is BS

What are talking about? what moment are you talking about?

having trouble punching through biscuit soldiers which is also BS.

the biscuit soldiers that are made by a magical power that most likely got that strong by Cracker training with it and Cracker also was coating his biscuit with coa.

First of all initial villains were so weak that would be better have pre-timeskip Luffy struggling to beat them and developing his haki than trainning 2 years to be so strong that he humiliates them but still struggle for the sake of plot.

If G4 Luffy gets one-shotted by Kaido that means that pre-timeskip Luffy is instantly dying to it?

Yeah so, prets luffy would've been as easily defeated by most of the opponents he fought.

G4 Luffy humiliated Doflamingo. Where is the build up here?
What was the point of Cracker fight? Luffy won with Nami's help and with a gag.
Luffy didn't used FS to beat Katakuri and Snakeman was still slower than him. Katakuri simply let Luffy ran away.

Every strong opponent luffy goes up against makes him stronger that has been a thing since pre ts, with doffy it wasn't easy fight for luffy he wasn't greatest condition post fight there was enough struggle for him to get stronger,same thing for Cracker there was enough struggle against him for luffy to get stronger, luffy fighting someone like katakuri who had way better coa would've made his coa even stronger.

First of all initial villains were so weak that would be better have pre-timeskip Luffy struggling to beat them and developing his haki than trainning 2 years to be so strong that he humiliates them but still struggle for the sake of plot.

First of all initial villains were so weak that would be better have pre-timeskip Luffy struggling to beat them and developing his haki than trainning 2 years to be so strong that he humiliates them but still struggle for the sake of plot.

What if the crew met up with multiple pacfistas? what if they met up with smoker? your taking away the threat of the new world even more if ps ts SH can survive while training their haki.

Second, a lot of Supernova went straight to New World without trainning and succeed. Even Kid that lost an arm by Shanks. If any Yonko is crossing path with Luffy result would be the same after timeskip. Wano Act 1 just proves that.

None of them had a logia chasing after them, they also get in to trouble so much more than the other supernovas and aren't goner join a crew like some of them did.

But if Oda was consistent about Luffy being near top tier out of timeskip than would have made sense those 2 years of trainning.

It was never a thing that the monster trio were goner be top tier out of time skip.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Lmao, you are so wrong.

And this is one of the things which Oda did good.

 

[NikaInParis]

For being a logia only Zoro could harm Aokiji using haki

What?

 

[Killer#777]

I get what you're saying two years training should've made it easier for luffy to be in the top tier already but the thing is Luffy could already face the admirals he just lack the haki to do so beforehand.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

you know everyone that straw hats have fought even going back to Alvida are superhuman,calling someone a superhuman in one piece is like saying physicaly fit adult in real life a norm.

What are talking about? what moment are you talking about?

the biscuit soldiers that are made by a magical power that most likely got that strong by Cracker training with it and Cracker also was coating his biscuit with coa.

They were going up against shichibukai pre TS. They beat CP9, Luffy went to 3 of the WG strongholds and came back. Alvida im not even gonna comment, that supposed to be a joke? Power level wise and how the story progressed, Luffy should be above most VA, timeskip should put him at close to Admirals already. Instead he struggled against a shichibukai without G4, he struggled against 2 commanders

He was punching Doflamingo in G2 and the guy was laughing at how weak the punches were

Even without CoA from Cracker he couldnt destroy any soldier without G4

 

[Herrera95]

When was ever been a thing that the monster trio trained to be top tier, they trained to get as strong as they could in those 2 years.

The main issue Strawhats needed to be stronger was because of Admirals that they faced. Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu.
Also at the end of Dressrosa we have this statement of Luffy

Spoiler

The "long clash" wasn't really fuji going all out because he didn't really use any of strong df attack and when he got angry easily pushed back.

That's what I said only clashed not even a small fight.

You really shouldn't have your or anyone else's head cannon cloud your understanding of the story.

Like I said above the whole point of trainning was because Admirals were too strong for them.

Yeah so, prets luffy would've been as easily defeated by most of the opponents he fought.

Nope, Pre-TS Luffy would struggle, improve and overcoming each of the villains he fought.

Every strong opponent luffy goes up against makes him stronger that has been a thing since pre ts, with doffy it wasn't easy fight for luffy he wasn't greatest condition post fight there was enough struggle for him to get stronger,same thing for Cracker there was enough struggle against him for luffy to get stronger, luffy fighting someone like katakuri who had way better coa would've made his coa even stronger.

Luffy isn't going against strong opponents after timeskip until Doflamingo. That's my point. Luffy could have struggled and evolved against Hody and Caesar and bring a new gear against Doflamingo like he did. Would be a lot better.

What if the crew met up with multiple pacfistas? what if they met up with smoker? your taking away the threat of the new world even more if ps ts SH can survive while training their haki.

They would struggled and improve. That's what they did during their trainning. There is no growing up without struggling. Haki bloom on extreme situations. Like I said a bunch of supernova succeed at New World without having a haki teacher.

None of them had a logia chasing after them, they also get in to trouble so much more than the other supernovas and aren't goner join a crew like some of them did.

Nope, Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody. He does more harm therefore Marines most likely to chase him more than Luffy. Only because we only saw Strawhats doesn't mean they are the most dangerous and gets most trouble of the supernovas. Not only that but we had Kid, Bege and X-Drake going almost straigth forward to Yonko territories. Luffy needed 2 years and a bunch of arcs/chapters to do that.

It was never a thing that the monster trio were goner be top tier out of time skip.

Like I said above, their issue was Admiral only. They didn't struggled with anything else them admirals.

 

[RYNO]

They were going up against shichibukai pre TS

So for crocodile everyone agree he had a rectcon for his powerlevel, Moria is the second weakest
shichibukai but even then it took luffy get a one time power up to defeat orz and without the pu the SH wouldve been done,kuma highly likely wasn't going full out.

Luffy went to 3 of the WG strongholds and came back.

And two of those luffy had large help from powerfull characters way stronger than him.

Alvida im not even gonna comment, that supposed to be a joke?

You called the monster trio superhuman but that's just redundant when compared to normal civilians,low level fodder and to real life Alvida is superhuman, so its pointless to call them superhuman when a large part of the population of the world is superhuman.

Luffy should be above most VA

how did you get to that idea?

timeskip should put him at close to Admirals already. Instead he struggled against a shichibukai without G4, he struggled against 2 commanders

This is why you shouldn't have your head
cannon/power scaling to cloud your understanding of the story.

He was punching Doflamingo in G2 and the guy was laughing at how weak the punches were

Even without CoA from Cracker he couldnt destroy any soldier without G4

Maybe because your power scaling for one piece is wrong.

The main issue Strawhats needed to be stronger was because of Admirals that they faced. Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu.
Also at the end of Dressrosa we have this statement of Luffy

To me devaluing the Admirals if luffy can do two years of trainning learning basics of haki could get him on the Admiral levels , I think first issue should be get stronger enough to take on a pacfista in a 1v1 fight because if prets luffy or any of the sh fought a pacfistas by themselves they weren't goner win and there are way more strong characters that are under Admirals level that would defeat the straw hats like vice-admirals and new world veteran pirate.

Like I said above the whole point of trainning was because Admirals were too strong for them.

Pre ts Straw hats would be boned if they fought two pacfistas at the same time, you don't go as far as Admirals to find characters that would be a gaint problem for the SH

Nope, Pre-TS Luffy would struggle, improve and overcoming each of the villains he fought.

So luffy went from this

To this

Every character who gave post luffy the little bit of fight would be a immense problem for not only luffy also straw
hats all together it would be a easy fight for vergo against sh for sure.

Luffy isn't going against strong opponents after timeskip until Doflamingo. That's my point. Luffy could have struggled and evolved against Hody and Caesar and bring a new gear against Doflamingo like he did. Would be a lot better.

Like what i said before against the sh it would be a easy fight for vergo.

They would struggled and improve. That's what they did during their trainning.

With the supervision of characters like Rayleigh,Mihawk, ivankov and not in enemy territory ,against characters can handle strikes from post ts monster trio that's immensely more stronger than pre ts sh.

Haki bloom on extreme situations.

Great haki bloom what about the lack of physical abilities (power,speed) to be effective with haki something we saw from luffy vs boa sisters.

Like I said a bunch of supernova succeed at New World without having a haki teacher.

I would say two(hawkins and kid before the kaido stuff) has been truely successful without joining a yonko or the wg or staying out trouble and how many of them became a yonko in their first few months being in the new world.

Nope, Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody. He does more harm therefore Marines most likely to chase him more than Luffy. Only because we only saw Strawhats doesn't mean they are the most dangerous and gets most trouble of the supernovas. Not only that but we had Kid, Bege and X-Drake going almost straigth forward to Yonko territories. Luffy needed 2 years and a bunch of arcs/chapters to do that.

Luffy needed 2 years of training and few months in the new world to become a yonko.

Like I said above, their issue was Admiral only. They didn't struggled with anything else them admirals.

Like what i said before they had trouble with a pacfista while with rest of sh and the only one who interacted with vice Admirals was luffy and wasnt really good time for luffy.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

So for crocodile everyone agree he had a rectcon for his powerlevel, Moria is the second weakest
shichibukai but even then it took luffy get a one time power up to defeat orz and without the pu the SH wouldve been done,kuma highly likely wasn't going full out.

And two of those luffy had large help from powerfull characters way stronger than him.

You called the monster trio superhuman but that's just redundant when compared to normal civilians,low level fodder and to real life Alvida is superhuman, so its pointless to call them superhuman when a large part of the population of the world is superhuman.
how did you get to that idea?

This is why you shouldn't have your head
cannon/power scaling to cloud your understanding of the story.

Maybe because your power scaling for one piece is wrong.

To me devaluing the Admirals if luffy can do two years of trainning learning basics of haki could get him on the Admiral levels , I think first issue should be get stronger enough to take on a pacfista in a 1v1 fight because if prets luffy or any of the sh fought a pacfistas by themselves they weren't goner win and there are way more strong characters that are under Admirals level that would defeat the straw hats like vice-admirals and new world veteran pirate.

Pre ts Straw hats would be boned if they fought two pacfistas at the same time, you don't go as far as Admirals to find characters that would be a gaint problem for the SH

So luffy went from this

To this

Every character who gave post luffy the little bit of fight would be a immense problem for not only luffy also straw
hats all together it would be a easy fight for vergo against sh for sure.

Like what i said before against the sh it would be a easy fight for vergo.


With the supervision of characters like Rayleigh,Mihawk, ivankov and not in enemy territory ,against characters can handle strikes from post ts monster trio that's immensely more stronger than pre ts sh.
Great haki bloom what about the lack of physical abilities (power,speed) to be effective with haki something we saw from luffy vs boa sisters.
I would say two(hawkins and kid before the kaido stuff) has been truely successful without joining a yonko or the wg or staying out trouble and how many of them became a yonko in their first few months being in the new world.


Luffy needed 2 years of training and few months in the new world to become a yonko.

Like what i said before they had trouble with a pacfista while with rest of sh and the only one who interacted with vice Admirals was luffy and wasnt really good time for luffy.

Dude a huge ass post but the thing that you disagrees about you reply to with "maybe because your powerscaling is wrong". I think you dont understand the point of it tbh. But again, Crocodile was in Alabasta, Enel, CP9, Moria, all people Luffy defeated. Natural growth from wjere he was back then to the end of Pre TS should put him at VAs level, and additional strength and haki mastery to close to Admirals. Then instead on Sabaody he cant beat a pacifista with his crew there, and in NW he struggles/is outclassed against ANOTHER SHICHIBUKAI without G4, same against Cracker. Only understandable was Katakuri due to future sight/DF mastery being a difficult combo to figure out and deal with. Its inconsistent, and if you cant expain it with better than "my powerscaling is wrong" then dont bother

 

[RYNO]

Natural growth from wjere he was back then to the end of Pre TS should put him at VAs level,

Great more head cannon,you believe luffy was a certain powerlevel at the beginning of the grand line and you believe luffy grew at a certain speed to become a VA level but the story proved you wrong and just saying what you believe will not change someone like me who takes the story over a fans head cannon, you haven't given me any evidence to prove your augment is right.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Great more head cannon,you believe luffy was a certain powerlevel at the beginning of the grand line and you believe luffy grew at a certain speed to become a VA level but the story proved you wrong and just saying what you believe will not change someone like me who takes the story over a fans head cannon, you haven't given me any evidence to prove your augment is right.

If you have nothing to say why quote? Just saying headcanon and you follow the story doesnt make you any righter than me. Why waste time discussing then, just read the story and be good?

 

[RYNO]

If you have nothing to say why quote? Just saying headcanon and you follow the story doesnt make you any righter than me. Why waste time discussing then, just read the story and be good?

I want evidence that proves your statemant that luffy should be va level by just growth, we had no single base line of how strong start of GL luffy was against a va, so how do you know that start of GL luffy would've grown into a va by the growth from his fights, oda actually showed a compassion of luffy vs va in marineford and he was having a very hard time with it, also when someone has read one piece multiple times like me I have a certain understanding of how oda wrote one piece for years but then a fan tells me "nah that's wrong" with no evidence I will call it headcannon that's what it is until you prove my thoughts wrong, so give me evidence.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

I want evidence that proves your statemant that luffy should be va level by just growth, we had no single base line of how strong start of GL luffy was against a va, so how do you know that start of GL luffy would've grown into a va by the growth from his fights, oda actually showed a compassion of luffy vs va in marineford and he was having a very hard time with it, also when someone has read one piece multiple times like me I have a certain understanding of how oda wrote one piece for years but then a fan tells me "nah that's wrong" with no evidence I will call it headcannon that's what it is until you prove my thoughts wrong, so give me evidence.

Based on growth, i already told you. Crocodile-Enel-Lucci-Moria, VA falls right into this category. Its a natural step up from previous oponents. Instead Oda chose to show them unable to defeat a Pacifista together.

You could have read OP 100 times, if you dont see the inconsistency dont blame me for it

 

[Herrera95]

To me devaluing the Admirals if luffy can do two years of trainning learning basics of haki could get him on the Admiral levels , I think first issue should be get stronger enough to take on a pacfista in a 1v1 fight because if prets luffy or any of the sh fought a pacfistas by themselves they weren't goner win and there are way more strong characters that are under Admirals level that would defeat the straw hats like vice-admirals and new world veteran pirate.

What about Shichibukais and pirates in general? A rookie that defeats all pirates that were dominating East Blue and then defeats a Shichibukai, World Government secret agency(CP-9) etc. There is no such thing as devaluating Admirals if you are okay with all that.

Monster trio could take Pacifista on their own even that was a extreme diff. Other Supernova could handle themselves.

When Strawhats came out of timeskip specially Monster Trio everything indicated that they were a hell of a lot stronger therefore near top tier.

Pre ts Straw hats would be boned if they fought two pacfistas at the same time, you don't go as far as Admirals to find characters that would be a gaint problem for the SH

Unfortunatelly the same remained after Timeskip. A lot of characteres weaker than Admirals were problems to Strawhats. Doflamingo, Commanders... and I'm not taking consideration Hody, Caesar, BM army that gave trouble to Luffy for the sake of plot.

So luffy went from this

To this

Every character who gave post luffy the little bit of fight would be a immense problem for not only luffy also straw
hats all together it would be a easy fight for vergo against sh for sure.

You don't understand that Luffy trainning is based on creatures that gave him a lot of trouble. Having extreme difficult fights is what makes you stronger, improve your haki. Pre-TS Luffy is perfectly fine to beat both Hody and Caesar in order to improve his haki and comes with G4 against Doflamingo(Doflamingo handling G4 better than he did) and still winning.

Like what i said before against the sh it would be a easy fight for vergo.

Nope it wasn't and would be less downplaying for Sanji having her leg broke in order to hype Vergo.

With the supervision of characters like Rayleigh,Mihawk, ivankov and not in enemy territory ,against characters can handle strikes from post ts monster trio that's immensely more stronger than pre ts sh.

A lot of Supernova didn't had teachers and became as stronger or even more than Strawhats(except for Zoro of course).

Great haki bloom what about the lack of physical abilities (power,speed) to be effective with haki something we saw from luffy vs boa sisters.

Boa sisters had weak haki because they always had Hancock to protect and fight for them. Simple as that.

I would say two(hawkins and kid before the kaido stuff) has been truely successful without joining a yonko or the wg or staying out trouble and how many of them became a yonko in their first few months being in the new world.

What is your point here?

Luffy needed 2 years of training and few months in the new world to become a yonko.

You just forgot a lot of plot armor and God DF.

Like what i said before they had trouble with a pacfista while with rest of sh and the only one who interacted with vice Admirals was luffy and wasnt really good time for luffy.

Like I said before, he needs extreme difficult fight to improve. This is no different from being one-shotted by Kaido. Lose over and over to Kaido while improving haki becomingo stronger and awakening his DF.

You are full of bullshit. Your arguments goes against what Oda wrote in his manga. "Strawhats were too weak" being one-shotted is not being too weak? Yet Luffy won Kaido 2 weeks after that.