Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

#1
Just about half of the strawhats already received new power up after the timeskip with just about all of them never really going all out. Never really getting a chance to show off everything


How much do yall think each strawhat has left in store that they haven't shown yet? How was each of them training? Etc.
 
#5
Luffy: Nothing weve seen the fruits of his training

Zoro: Probably has an Asura upgrade

Sanji: Probably has a DJ upgrade

Franky: Nothing, the general was his big thing, he may evolve that even more tho to putting those Wano weapons on the general so Franky doesn’t have to shoot out the manhole.

Brook: Nothing, his ice powers were his big thing, he may evolve that even farther or some new devil fruit power.

Robin: From the Timeskip nothing, but she may enhance her gigantesco abilities in the future.

Chopper: Nothing as of now, he may evolve his fruit to make monster point more sustainable

Usopp: Oda could literally pull out any new plant but I think he’ll be done with that he may evolve new haki or something

Nami: I hope she has new abilities (moving mirages etc) beyond just bigger lightning.
 
#6
I hope to see their efforts from the timeskip pay off in serious battles in Wano with incremental post time skip growth happening during the arc and in following arcs.
Luffy: Probably has more Gear 4 variations up his sleeve, aside from Boundman, Snakeman and Tankman.

Zoro: Has yet to go all out, hopefully new Ashura form. One sword, and two sword style attacks. More updated versions of his pre time skip move set. Like oni giri —> purgatory oni giri, 108 pound cannon—> 1080 pound cannon, etc.

Sanji: More Diable Jambe power attacks, maybe a Diable form if Hell memories was a preview of things to come. Observation Haki in combat.

Franky: General Franky is cool but would like to see more of Franky’s classic brawling style. Maybe a BF-39 transformation culminating from a fusion with the shape memory alloy that makes up the General Franky. Hope for more from BF-37, “Armored Me.” Updated Franky shield and triangle jacker would be cool.

Robin: Gigantesco Mano, and numbered Fleur attacks, grappling attacks. Multi armed clone attacks. Maybe a Giant Clone, IDK if that fits Robin’s style though.

Chopper: More Cloven rose attacks, Monster point mastery. Heavy and Gong attacks.

Brook: Devil fruit based attacks. More about the chill of the Underworld.

Ussop: Unseen Pop green plants, in tandem with updated Kabuto.

Nami: IDK, her newly updated Sorcery Clima-tact appeared post time skip at the end of Zou.
 
#8
Luffy : has nothing
Zoro : still has Asura to show and then his timeskip upgrade
Sanji : nothing
Franky : maybe an upgrade
Ussop : maybe an upgrade
Brook : yet to show his full power
Nami : yet to show her ultimate
Robin : much much much to show
Chopper : maybe an even superior monster form
I don't recall Sanji ever having a fight to display his abilities like Luffy has....... infant, I don't recall any straw hat getting a real 1v1 fight post Timeskip except for Luffy and Zoro's 1 fight in Dressrosa.
 
#10
I don't recall Sanji ever having a fight to display his abilities like Luffy has....... infant, I don't recall any straw hat getting a real 1v1 fight post Timeskip except for Luffy and Zoro's 1 fight in Dressrosa.
I real 1 v 1 is not the only way to determine .

Sanji showed his ultimate technique (his own words) in FI when he used Hell memories
He showed the "limits" to his general strength when he faced Vergo..indicating that he would most likely have lost that match. This isn't surprised because Smoker who has superior portrayal to Sanji was defeated by Vergo.
This was further supported by his performance against DD in Dressrosa where he lacked the speed and power to trouble DD.

He got outperformed by Judge
He showed the limits to his speed when Niji outpaced him.

In the end he received the RS to compensate for such weakness listed above
 
#11
I real 1 v 1 is not the only way to determine .

Sanji showed his ultimate technique (his own words) in FI when he used Hell memories
He showed the "limits" to his general strength when he faced Vergo..indicating that he would most likely have lost that match. This isn't surprised because Smoker who has superior portrayal to Sanji was defeated by Vergo.
This was further supported by his performance against DD in Dressrosa where he lacked the speed and power to trouble DD.

He got outperformed by Judge
He showed the limits to his speed when Niji outpaced him.

In the end he received the RS to compensate for such weakness listed above
I mean if you want to scale Sanji like that without him displaying his abilities in a fight that's designed for him to overcome his opponent and use clashes/dialogue out of context that's fine. But you have to keep that same energy for the rest of the crew........Brook and Chopper got fodderized together by Perospero....... Also Brook struggled with Sheepshead to the point where Oda had Sanji defeat the guy. Nami got low diffed by Gallet, Franky Passed Out after fighting Senior Pink who's not even an executive. Usopp got low diffed by Trebol. Robin had to get saved by Usopp.So a majority of the crew don't have shit to show aside from 1 technique from Zoro we haven't seen since pre timeskip. If were scaling things like you are.
 
#12
I mean if you want to scale Sanji like that without him displaying his abilities in a fight that's designed for him to overcome his opponent and use clashes/dialogue out of context that's fine. But you have to keep that same energy for the rest of the crew........Brook and Chopper got fodderized together by Perospero....... Also Brook struggled with Sheepshead to the point where Oda had Sanji defeat the guy. Nami got low diffed by Gallet, Franky Passed Out after fighting Senior Pink who's not even an executive. Usopp got low diffed by Trebol. Robin had to get saved by Usopp.So a majority of the crew don't have shit to show aside from 1 technique from Zoro we haven't seen since pre timeskip. If were scaling things like you are.
Not everyone is going to get a Katakuri-type of fight which is why there are other ways to scale.
I don't think I have been unfair to Sanji in that respect. Unlike the other SHP you mentioned, he has had several opportunities to show his battle ability. However, he has failed to show any hint that he might have some hidden ability not seen. In addition, the scaling is quite consistent since PH.
>Sanji wasn't portrayed stronger than Smoker. Even based on their abilities, Smoker has thee advantage in key areas. This put Sanji not equal to Smoker but on his level nonetheless. Then Vergo came and was portrayed above both Sanji and Smoker.
> We go to DR and Sanji faces DD. Here he is outclassed in every aspect and was about to be cleaved before Law saved him. So we can scale Sanji as being significantly below DD, same was shown for Smoker too. Hence, the PH scale still stands.
>We go to WCI where Sanji faces Judge and again Sanji gets outperformed,however, not as worse as DDs situation. We find out later that Judge was able to at least hold his own against Snack (YC4)... which again places Sanji below the Yc4 range.
> Still in WCI, we see Sanji clashing with Oven and Daifuku similar to the Vergo case but much less direct...which shows again that he is in or around that level.
> After all this we have Sanji getting a RS which basically boosts all his stats.

For the rest of the SHP, there is implication that their specific levels are not clear.
> We don't know Nami's ultimate
> We know chopper and Brooke are weaker than Peros but we don't know the level that places them.
> Franky also faced multiple opponents and fought Señor Pink whiles injured and restricted himself but still won.
> Robin is obvious
> Zoro is also obvious since he hasn't come close to losing any match he has been in. Even against an admiral he was still given favorable portrayal of actually holding his own twice
 
#14
I real 1 v 1 is not the only way to determine .

Sanji showed his ultimate technique (his own words) in FI when he used Hell memories
He showed the "limits" to his general strength when he faced Vergo..indicating that he would most likely have lost that match. This isn't surprised because Smoker who has superior portrayal to Sanji was defeated by Vergo.
This was further supported by his performance against DD in Dressrosa where he lacked the speed and power to trouble DD.

He got outperformed by Judge
He showed the limits to his speed when Niji outpaced him.

In the end he received the RS to compensate for such weakness listed above
His “ultimate technique” has been one of the few new techniques we’ve seen since the timeskip. It’s pretty much the equivalent of the three billion fold trichiolocosm.

When he faced vergo he was so injured he could barely move. And still was able to hold off and fight back against vergo then fly multiple marines out of the way.

Against Doffy the fight was only east for doffy because Sanji didn’t know Doffys abilities. He got caught up in Doffys parasite string. The same thing would happen to anyone else.

Judge used human shields to get the advantage on Sanji

The weaknesses you’ve listed have been that he’s yet to be in a fair fight so yeah...
 
#15
His “ultimate technique” has been one of the few new techniques we’ve seen since the timeskip. It’s pretty much the equivalent of the three billion fold trichiolocosm.

When he faced vergo he was so injured he could barely move. And still was able to hold off and fight back against vergo then fly multiple marines out of the way.

Against Doffy the fight was only east for doffy because Sanji didn’t know Doffys abilities. He got caught up in Doffys parasite string. The same thing would happen to anyone else.

Judge used human shields to get the advantage on Sanji

The weaknesses you’ve listed have been that he’s yet to be in a fair fight so yeah...
It isn't. DJ was his preskip power up. He came out of the timeskip using DJ more frequently similar to Luffy using G2/G3. Then he states himself that he used his ultimate technique in FI. That is quite a clear statement. Afterwards he has been in fighting situations and still hasn't shown anything new. The logical conclusion from that would be that he has nothing new to show

This is false. He took the same damage as Usopp did and Usopp was moving fine. Also it's not only about his clash with Vergo but rather his overall portrayal. He's portrayed below Smoker and so by extension..even disregarding the Vergo clash, his portrayal would be below Vergo too.

This is a poor excuse. Doffy didn't know Sanji's abilities either. Parasite wasn't the only reason he was inferior. DD dominated him in speed and power. DD completely no sold Sanji's attacks.

That was after he had outperformed Sanji. He easily dealt with DJ Sanji ..slamming him around. Then brought Sanji to his knees at one point.

He's been in fair fights
 
#16
It isn't. DJ was his preskip power up. He came out of the timeskip using DJ more frequently similar to Luffy using G2/G3. Then he states himself that he used his ultimate technique in FI. That is quite a clear statement. Afterwards he has been in fighting situations and still hasn't shown anything new. The logical conclusion from that would be that he has nothing new to show

This is false. He took the same damage as Usopp did and Usopp was moving fine. Also it's not only about his clash with Vergo but rather his overall portrayal. He's portrayed below Smoker and so by extension..even disregarding the Vergo clash, his portrayal would be below Vergo too.

This is a poor excuse. Doffy didn't know Sanji's abilities either. Parasite wasn't the only reason he was inferior. DD dominated him in speed and power. DD completely no sold Sanji's attacks.

That was after he had outperformed Sanji. He easily dealt with DJ Sanji ..slamming him around. Then brought Sanji to his knees at one point.

He's been in fair fights
Diable Jambe is Sanji power up that is true...... but Sanjis most powerful attack in Diable Jambe from Pre Timeskip has not been used. The attack he used to defeat Jabra has never been seen post timeskip In the manga. That is an indisputable fact. So when people say Sanji hasn't gone all out this is what their talking about. Jabra didn't go down until Sanji used this attack. Some of this dudes most powerful attacks haven't been seen post timeskip.
 
#18
It isn't. DJ was his preskip power up. He came out of the timeskip using DJ more frequently similar to Luffy using G2/G3. Then he states himself that he used his ultimate technique in FI. That is quite a clear statement. Afterwards he has been in fighting situations and still hasn't shown anything new. The logical conclusion from that would be that he has nothing new to show

This is false. He took the same damage as Usopp did and Usopp was moving fine. Also it's not only about his clash with Vergo but rather his overall portrayal. He's portrayed below Smoker and so by extension..even disregarding the Vergo clash, his portrayal would be below Vergo too.

This is a poor excuse. Doffy didn't know Sanji's abilities either. Parasite wasn't the only reason he was inferior. DD dominated him in speed and power. DD completely no sold Sanji's attacks.

That was after he had outperformed Sanji. He easily dealt with DJ Sanji ..slamming him around. Then brought Sanji to his knees at one point.

He's been in fair fights
Well, Sanji did develop in his base too though throughout NW. Sanji, whose leg was cracked by Vergo, would be in body bag when he was tail slammed by Drake, yet he was completely fine. He was also getting beaten black and blue by Daifuku’s genie at tea party but was able to clash easily against powered up genie when he was on ship. He is learning and developing as he goes, which is actually a good thing.
Ivankov probably gave him no training and he figured out everything himself. Ivankov only filled in the blanks when he had some, such as:
S:”Oi, kama queen. I started to feel presence of others around me. What is going on here?”
I:”Heehaw. Candy boi, you awakened your Haki. You see, there are three types of Haki...” then proceeds to explain the concept and Sanji countinues his daily stuff.
He was most probably not properly trained. He developed in several stats but not enough. Now, as he keeps clashing here and there, he develops himself.
 
#20
Diable Jambe is Sanji power up that is true...... but Sanjis most powerful attack in Diable Jambe from Pre Timeskip has not been used. The attack he used to defeat Jabra has never been seen post timeskip In the manga. That is an indisputable fact. So when people say Sanji hasn't gone all out this is what their talking about. Jabra didn't go down until Sanji used this attack. Some of this dudes most powerful attacks haven't been seen post timeskip.
How did you measure that as Sanji's strongest attack preskip?
He factually used a stronger attack against Oars and arguably against the pacifista.

Post skip, his spectre seems stronger. His Poele a fire attacks seem stronger. But the nail in the coffin is still the fact that he'll memories is his ultimate technique.

A character doesn't have to use every attack in his arsenal for us to conclude that he has gone all out.
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Well, Sanji did develop in his base too though throughout NW. Sanji, whose leg was cracked by Vergo, would be in body bag when he was tail slammed by Drake, yet he was completely fine. He was also getting beaten black and blue by Daifuku’s genie at tea party but was able to clash easily against powered up genie when he was on ship. He is learning and developing as he goes, which is actually a good thing.
Ivankov probably gave him no training and he figured out everything himself. Ivankov only filled in the blanks when he had some, such as:
S:”Oi, kama queen. I started to feel presence of others around me. What is going on here?”
I:”Heehaw. Candy boi, you awakened your Haki. You see, there are three types of Haki...” then proceeds to explain the concept and Sanji countinues his daily stuff.
He was most probably not properly trained. He developed in several stats but not enough. Now, as he keeps clashing here and there, he develops himself.
Not necessarily. Depends on the area the attack hit and how strong the attack is .

Against Daifuku too he only got overpowered once. When he blocked the big genie, that attack was aimed at Carrot who was suffering from the after effects of Sulong.

Sanji most like got stronger from FI to Wano but it would be marginal Because he didn't have an extreme diff fight or new training
 
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